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 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:47 pm
Shipmaster Voro Captain_Shinzo Shipmaster Voro Artto Shipmaster Voro His standards are not that hard. It all started with one rule...."you may eat of any tree and bush except that of the forbidden tree." Paying for two people being a bit too curious at the beginning of time is another issue all together. Shipmaster Voro When you break a simple rule after being told by anyone but god it is ok. and then you try and hide the fact you did even though he knows you have done so. That isn't unfair judgment, it is proper judgment. It is as if your parents said... Billy you may play all of these games and eat all of the food here, except you cannot play the pinball or eat of the green apples.....what happens when the child disobeys the parents and tries to lie about it? they are punished. But Billy doesn't get locked in a basement where he is tortured until the day he dies. That is the parent's decision to make.....and God didn't do that to them, he simply said you are lost now, you are now banished from the garden and he said that in order to find him they had to repent their sins. We are not talking about children....those were analogies. when you are being judged by god you are dead already......I refuse to even converse you people who cannot see what is being said....I dont care if your christian or not, non-christians see and understand a portion of the views and reasoning for what christians believe. They do not outright question and doubt it....You people are hopeless.
Your argument only works if it's already assumed that the Christan God exists first.
If you talk to atheists using an argument based completely on faith, you can't be surprised when they don't agree with you.
We take time to understand the story, but obviously we question and doubt it! Why would somebody deny a God, even one they believe to be cruel and unjust, if the punishment was eternity of torture? Of course we're going to have arguments against the existence of Hell and the reasoning behind it because we've all had to confront it at some point, and we've all been told that we're going there.
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:54 pm
On my death bed I will join the spirits of my ancestors. I am not afraid of death, or of dying. There are other things that need to be feared than dying. The unknown only brings fear to those who do not search it out to find out what is within its boundaries. Whether that unknown includes God, is only known by those who take the steps to investigate the unknown.
Personally, I find that those who know a god do better on their death beds than those who do not believe in anything at all. It has to do with knowing what awaits one once the spirit has separated from the body. My opinion is formed by observation.
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:42 pm
I am an extreemly faithful Catholic and I do wonder if God is real because the Aztec gods weren't real, Inca gods weren't real, Norse and Greek gods aren't real what makes God different from the others. I do believe in him, but I sometimes wonder.
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:57 pm
Aspen 2010 I am an extreemly faithful Catholic and I do wonder if God is real because the Aztec gods weren't real, Inca gods weren't real, Norse and Greek gods aren't real what makes God different from the others. I do believe in him, but I sometimes wonder. The Aztec, Inca, Norse and Greek gods are real wink
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:24 am
I don't believe they are, but if you think so I respect that even though it doesn't make sence since they are all completely different religions/ philosiphys. ( I know its spelled wrong ).
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:26 pm
Notable Static I've been pondering this for a while. You don't have to be atheist/agnostic to answer, but I'd just like opinions. If you are atheist/agnostic with the belief there is no God and nothing after death, how do you think you'd act on your deathbed? In all honesty, tell me this- would you suddenly repent and hope God forgives you, or stick by your belief? I myself am atheist, and I think on my deathbed I would be scared of what I may find afterwards, but I wouldn't apologise for my life and I don't think I'd make a last minute conversion. I believe I'll most likely act as I always have: All out. I will not repent my sins. I am agnostic, and believe that if there is a God, he's forgiving. He wouldn't care whether or not you worshipped him, just how you treated your fellow man. Therefore, I wouldn't worry about that too much. I would worry about what's after death (Do I simply cease to exist? Damnation? Heaven? Tartarus?) but I think that I've done well enough for any deity to accept me. I may not one hundred percent believe they exist, but if they do, I think I'm still fine. Because most gods in most theologies are not dicks.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:27 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Aspen 2010 I am an extreemly faithful Catholic and I do wonder if God is real because the Aztec gods weren't real, Inca gods weren't real, Norse and Greek gods aren't real what makes God different from the others. I do believe in him, but I sometimes wonder. The Aztec, Inca, Norse and Greek gods are real wink -mindblown- Yep, to some people the Christian God doesn't exist, and only their own does.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:42 pm
Aspen 2010 I don't believe they are, but if you think so I respect that even though it doesn't make sence since they are all completely different religions/ philosiphys. ( I know its spelled wrong ). Why does that not make sense?
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:03 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Aspen 2010 I don't believe they are, but if you think so I respect that even though it doesn't make sence since they are all completely different religions/ philosiphys. ( I know its spelled wrong ). Why does that not make sense? Yeah, none of those religions try to claim that the none of the other Gods exist. See folks like San and I are hard polytheists. We believe that all Gods exist (even the Christian one). We also don't generally take the various conflicting creation stories as literal fact. At least I haven't met very many that do.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:03 am
Notable Static I've been pondering this for a while. You don't have to be atheist/agnostic to answer, but I'd just like opinions. If you are atheist/agnostic with the belief there is no God and nothing after death, how do you think you'd act on your deathbed? In all honesty, tell me this- would you suddenly repent and hope God forgives you, or stick by your belief? I myself am atheist, and I think on my deathbed I would be scared of what I may find afterwards, but I wouldn't apologise for my life and I don't think I'd make a last minute conversion. I am like you. I am Atheist and I would not convert. That's just foolish for someone to do that. I stand by my beliefs. The only bad part about dying is that it forces you to think about after life. Yes it sucks that there is nothing else but we can't change that. I fully believe that the only reason 90% of Christians believe is because they don't want to just disappear.
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