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And you completely ignored the fact you're putting the blame of the pregnancy completely on the woman even if she was doing her best to prevent pregnancy.

Pretty much everyone with a child tries to raise the the best way they can. You still get people the world would be better without. Neo-Nazis and the KKK have kids too.

Adoption is not a cure all. My ex was adopted and that seriously messed with his head. Not to mention how hard it is to actually adopt a child in this country, which is why some people adopt from other countries.

Birth control doesn't always work and a woman doesn't always have sex of her own free will. You cannot put sole blame on the female.



And for all you know, the kid could be the next rapist on the street that the police are hunting down. Sometimes I wonder if anyone even understands why people get abortions. A woman doesn't get (usually) an abortion just because she feels like it or doesn't even want the child. Maybe she can't care for it, maybe she is mentally unstable. Maybe the child was forced on her and maybe she is being forced to get it done.



Adoption isn't a quick fix button.. A lot of kids don't get adopted. We had a thing on the news a while back where a girl that was 17 years old was going to be removed from the adoption center as soon as she was of age. She has no job, no one wants to adopt her, she has no family.. She is going to be homeless. So are you saying it's perfectly fine to bring a child into the world only to leave them out on the street in the blistering heat or the ice cold rain? Just because you didn't want someone to have an abortion?

And you know.. you can raise a child PERFECTLY.. and they might turn around and kill you just because they can. There is only so much the parent can do. Kids aren't robots, you can't put a program in them and force them to do your bidding and be how you want them to be.

So personally.. I am for choice. If you want to have an abortion, by all means do so. If you want to have the child, do so, but be damned ready to care for it. If you can't.. give the child to a family member or adoption but make sure you know exactly what can happen.

Killing implies it's alive. I'd love to hear your justification for such a claim :3

In states where abortion is allowed, abortion only happens when the fetus is 8 weeks or less. At 8 weeks, the embryo becomes a fetus.

It's also when the fetus can begin to feel pain, which is why I'm against any abortion that would be done after 8 weeks.

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Just a few remarks, as I'm really tired right now and stuff.

First off, I am pro-choice provided that the termination occurs prior to the 8th week.

Of course, I am against abortion as a form of birth control. Abortions cost around 300 dollars. A box of condoms costs 3.
However, most abortions are one or two time deals. The girls who get 5+ are the exception, not the rule.


Most people who are pro-life believe that life begins at conception and that all life is sacred. This is the principle behind pro-life. What I don't understand, however, is when people are pro-life but say "unless the baby is a product of rape." What, is a baby that is a product of rape some how less of a human? Yes, the mother didn't consent, but how does that justify the murder of a baby? (If pro-lifers equate abortion with murder, than no matter what the reason for termination is, it's still murder). The only exception I could understand is abortion on the pro-life side is when the woman's life is at risk.


To other remarks in this thread or to general arguments when it comes to the abortion debate:

If the argument against abortion is that it prevents a life from being created, then logically, whoever supports that argument should be against all forms of birth control (including the "pulling out" method). After all, if the sperm isn't being allowed to reach the egg, isn't that also preventing a life from being created?

i am pro-choice, just because my beliefs are a bit complicated. i feel that if the child is a product of rape, abortion is a good option if the mother cannot handle the mental anguish of carrying the child. she's going to have mental anguish over the abortion, too, most likely, so it's a no-win, and i have complete sympathy.

if the fetus is found to have severe defects that will make quality of life horrible, and the lifespan very short, i am pro-abortion. for anyone that cares, i am also pro-assisted suicide for terminally ill people if they choose it and are of sound mind when making the decision. whole other bag of horror, though.

mentally unsound people who would have even more problems after a pregnancy, i also understand. but there's always the question of "to what degree?" and i don't have an answer for that.

like cleo said, after 8 weeks, that fetus feels pain, and any abortion after 8 weeks should not be legalized without some seriously extenuating circumstances.

you can do a private adoption, also, and choose the family that baby is going to. you aren't creating a homeless waif by letting someone adopt your baby. and newborn adoption rates are so, so much higher than adoption rates for older children. my aunt and uncle couldn't conceive and have done a private adoption twice so that they can have children. and my entire family is grateful to the mothers who decided to give their baby a life, and a good one.

making a bad call when drunk, birth control failing, just not using birth control, those are not reasons to abort, to me. you had sex willingly, deal with the ******** consequences. not wanting people to know about your sexual activity being the reason for aborting instead of letting your baby be adopted makes me so, so angry. you think you're grown up enough for sex? then you're grown up enough to deal with the natural result of sex. people will pay for the hospital bills and checkups if you're adopting out privately. money is a cop-out excuse. if i'd gotten pregnant as a teen, i decided before i was even having sex that i'd find a good family to adopt the baby.

TL;DR? this is my book on my complicated feelings regarding abortion.