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 Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:00 pm
Yanueh Zurine Vegans have always presented themselves as the least healthy of anyone to me. Every vegetarian or vegan friend I've had has had a sort of imbalance that could have been resolved by eating a wholesome diet. Did you happen to get a gander at what they were eating? Quote: I just don't understand why people would sacrifice their own health by not eating meat. There are those who do just fine on vegan diets... of course, I doubt they're living on center isle foods. Quote: I think that those who chose veganism are those who chose not to explore food and food markets. Not everyone has practical access to local farms, and some simply do not approve of killing animals for the sake of food. i agree there is a lack of proper fair debates on most everthing now a days. nutrition can solve damn near everything for everything else theres removeing toxins from life and working out. *in a healthy not rip self apart manner* i think people are entitled to choice,and that checks and balences are needed to be kept so we can remain at a state of keeping the earth natural in the event of some exipirment gone ariy or someone eats away all the animals. now people were all differnt but equal, lets be more like nature and learn to coexist
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:18 am
Zurine You're not disliked, but the "thinny thin thin" attitude that seems to be in direct relationship with how haughty people I encounter are about being a vegan or vegetarian. I'm repeating myself every time a thread like this appears. Being a vegan or vegetarian does not mean you're automatically a healthier person. Being a vegan does not mean you're helping the environment and our current societal downfall. Vegans have always presented themselves as the least healthy of anyone to me. Every vegetarian or vegan friend I've had has had a sort of imbalance that could have been resolved by eating a wholesome diet. I just don't understand why people would sacrifice their own health by not eating meat. I'm not talking about the steak you get at Super Walmart, I mean the real meat. The meat you get on a farm, you raise yourself, the meat that you can take pride in. Maybe I have a skewed view on food because I live on a farm, and always had a job on a farm. When I return to my college house in two weeks, I'm not going to have a huge change in diet. I know where the farmer's market is, I know that the farm I work on sells a 3lb bag of picked-that-day-organic carrots for $2. I think that those who chose veganism are those who chose not to explore food and food markets. Did you know there are state certified humane farms? I happened to strike up a conversation with the only humane pig farmer in Connecticut. I'm not saying this to be negative, it's what I believe in with all my heart. I'm not angry at you, I'm also not trying to insult anyone. Things people say about these sort of topics can really grate on everyone's nerves. Food is a really sensitive subject. Thing is, people ONLY started saying I'm too thin after going vegan, even through I weigh the same as I did when I was an omni. I'm maintaining it easily. I know if I start losing weight, I need to pay more attention to what I eat to ensure I'm not missing anything, but many omnivores are missing vital nutrients too, we all need to pay attention to our "diets" and how they make us feel. I don't like chest pains, so I severely limit my intake of fried foods(french fries are the only fried thing I eat, before going veg it was french fries and fried meat a lot, I didn't really like meat any other way unless it was prepared for like holidays) But yeah, I was just REALLY confused by your statement, because it sounded like you were saying most vegans always think they need to lose weight, think omnis are disgusting fatties and such, when in reality, i'd like to gain a little weight to fatten myself up, but I am reluctant to pick up a box of oreos, especially when fruit tastes better(IMO). xD
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:49 am
if you dont like oreos how bout these
^^
http://www.newmansownorganics.com/food_newman-os.html
there yummy
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:49 am
Sakakikala Thing is, people ONLY started saying I'm too thin after going vegan, even through I weigh the same as I did when I was an omni. I'm maintaining it easily. I know if I start losing weight, I need to pay more attention to what I eat to ensure I'm not missing anything, but many omnivores are missing vital nutrients too, we all need to pay attention to our "diets" and how they make us feel. I don't like chest pains, so I severely limit my intake of fried foods(french fries are the only fried thing I eat, before going veg it was french fries and fried meat a lot, I didn't really like meat any other way unless it was prepared for like holidays) But yeah, I was just REALLY confused by your statement, because it sounded like you were saying most vegans always think they need to lose weight, think omnis are disgusting fatties and such, when in reality, i'd like to gain a little weight to fatten myself up, but I am reluctant to pick up a box of oreos, especially when fruit tastes better(IMO). xD I hope you're not trying to fatten yourself up with junk food...? gonk A little indulgence is fine but not as a means to an end. Just go nut-crazy if you're trying to gain weight.
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:52 am
NomNomNominal Sakakikala Thing is, people ONLY started saying I'm too thin after going vegan, even through I weigh the same as I did when I was an omni. I'm maintaining it easily. I know if I start losing weight, I need to pay more attention to what I eat to ensure I'm not missing anything, but many omnivores are missing vital nutrients too, we all need to pay attention to our "diets" and how they make us feel. I don't like chest pains, so I severely limit my intake of fried foods(french fries are the only fried thing I eat, before going veg it was french fries and fried meat a lot, I didn't really like meat any other way unless it was prepared for like holidays) But yeah, I was just REALLY confused by your statement, because it sounded like you were saying most vegans always think they need to lose weight, think omnis are disgusting fatties and such, when in reality, i'd like to gain a little weight to fatten myself up, but I am reluctant to pick up a box of oreos, especially when fruit tastes better(IMO). xD I hope you're not trying to fatten yourself up with junk food...? gonk A little indulgence is fine but not as a means to an end. Just go nut-crazy if you're trying to gain weight. She said in reality she'd like to gain some weight but she is not going to pick up some Oreos just to do so.
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:27 pm
people really need to be educated on the fact that theres differnt body types that are dirtirmed by the habits you had as a child
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:49 pm
Veaganism is an unrealistic idea only possible to the few who live in a country that can supply all the nutrients to make it remotely possible.
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:50 pm
NomNomNominal I hope you're not trying to fatten yourself up with junk food...? gonk A little indulgence is fine but not as a means to an end. Just go nut-crazy if you're trying to gain weight. I LOVE nuts, but they're outta my mom's price range, and I'm trying to be stingy with money ATM(car and college), but I need to start eating avocados more often, lol. I'm not a fan of em, but I hear those too are fattening xD
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:45 pm
God Emperor Akhenaton Veaganism is an unrealistic idea only possible to the few who live in a country that can supply all the nutrients to make it remotely possible. But for those for whom it is realistic, it is a perfectly good way to cut down on consumption of resources.
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:20 pm
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:42 pm
Someone who tries to use absolutely no animal products whatsoever. Reasons include: -Personal morals; may disagree with current systems of meat farming (which are often messy and cruel), or does not believe that eating meat is morally defensible under any circumstances. -Environmental reasons; modern factory farm and butchery models create an excess greenhouse gases (CO2 for all animals, and the especially potent gas methane for cows), waste spills that often contaminate local rivers, killing fish and contaminating vegetable crops watered from these rivers, as well as providing the perfect environment for super-bacteria to develop. A vegan diet can be completely nutritionally balanced, at least in theory. (In practice, there is no 'silver bullet' for human health; one person's panacea is another's poison.) Complete proteins can be acquired via mixing the right foods.
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:43 pm
God Emperor Akhenaton Veaganism is an unrealistic idea only possible to the few who live in a country that can supply all the nutrients to make it remotely possible. oh please fruits and vegitables way beat meat. 30 days without vitiman c leads to scurvy. if i had to choose either or id say nonmeat, we live in an era in wich were educated. i read books i have like 5 (shush im poor...XD) as far as resourses go, thats a petty issue, as long as we keep checks and balences that are actually enforced, including propeganda that says eating cow, milk and beacon is needed like daily (when its proven moderation is best) now im not a saint i still like cow milk, eggs fish and bird. but heavy meats have started to litterally make my mouth feel dirty, im not sure if its the crap they do to the animals or the animal itself.. but i stray away from what the big money what to say is good. cause i feel if you gotta big spend money to protect your product/law instead of a fair debate then your just in the wrong
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:42 pm
Ellavemia This situation is a classic example of the preconceived notions people have about veg*ns and those we assume veg*ans have about omnis. I think what actually happened is that somewhere someone read emotion into some words that wasn't actually there or they took something too personally. No. Am I not allowed to state that I believe veganism is a destructive diet? I think a pesca- or an ovo- vegetarian has a slightly higher advantage. Was it this guild I saw a thread that tried to compare a human to a lion or a turtle, and someone who obviously thought the thread creator was a ditz asked them if they felt closely related to a omnivore, like a chimpanzee. If you really spent time into the whole environmental issue, you should realize that your best bet to being a healthier person, and a sustainable person is to buy local. If you don't like the food market in your area, move. I'm tired of hearing people say they can't do this. They can't just move, or they can't start buying local foods. The change you want to see in the world should start with you. I ditched Connecticut, where I had a job and my family and pets and my friends so that I could be the change that I wanted to see in others. Maybe gaiaonline.com isn't the place to try and impress upon people that sustainability can be a big risk factor.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:16 pm
Zurine No. Am I not allowed to state that I believe veganism is a destructive diet? I think a pesca- or an ovo- vegetarian has a slightly higher advantage. Yes, but that's not what you were doing. You were offended that someone implied that being fat was unhealthy, which it is. You were even offended at the wrong person, the vegan, simply because they are one rather than at the person who brought up fat in the first place as a joke. Local was never mentioned in this thread, but it has been mentioned in plenty before this and I don't think anyone disagrees with you that buying locally would make the biggest impact by reducing the carbon footprint of the food. gaiaonline.com is a place where you can try to impress all you want on people but they don't have to actually do as you say, and they are entitled to their lifestyle choices as much as you are.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:15 pm
theres more then 1 kind of fat, while the bulk is unhealthy american eating fat alaskins, sumos and certian few types can be healthy fat, but its really is agian very rare and select.
but fat should not be treated like incurable plauge, or whatever
as long as its not done in an unhealthy way let them do it.
but it should not be allowed to have misleading underware advertising that shows women who are wide as fat and call "fat" sexy, nobody wants to see there love die of a heartattack im sorry
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