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 Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:51 pm
divineseraph Aakosir Chieftain Twilight Aakosir Chieftain Twilight in all honesty, i'm of the mind that no mortal has the means to determine what sanity even is.but then again, there is the simple idea of understanding the human concept of Sanity, which would be just going with commonly and socially accepted logic/sense. but if that is so, i certainly can't speak for the rational sane mind. i'm far from it myself. how can anyone claim to know anything for certain? they can claim it, but it doesn't make it so. as i guess the only accurate way to put it, only the Creator knows. in short, i may think someone is "crazy", or agree that they are Insane. but all that means is that they, like me, have thoughts or beliefs that are contrary to the public. it is only when they are dangerous that i begin to worry, the potential for psychosis to lead to Serial Murder, or Terrorism, or Cultism, is a severe problem. call me Insane. i am. treat me as you will. it will happen. i don't believe that 2012 will be the end of the world (a huge change though, definately), but i do believe many things that the general public deems impossible and "crazy". :shrugs.: yet people claim to. nothin' to do about it, people are sheep. i am terrified by what i read in the Necronomicon, i am preparing for WTSHTF, and i believe that there are a number of Global and National Conspiracies that endager the Rights of Freedom that americans have.
I think too much sometimes.Not to promote this fear, but look up MK Ultra. They actually did do that. The result wasn't actual mind control, but allowed weakness to drugs and alcohol, weakness or resistance to torture or suggestions, and drugs to make people less able to think and more prone to be passive and follow orders. If slipped into the water supply, it would make most of the population dumb and passive.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:45 pm
Aakosir divineseraph Aakosir Chieftain Twilight Aakosir Chieftain Twilight in all honesty, i'm of the mind that no mortal has the means to determine what sanity even is.but then again, there is the simple idea of understanding the human concept of Sanity, which would be just going with commonly and socially accepted logic/sense. but if that is so, i certainly can't speak for the rational sane mind. i'm far from it myself. how can anyone claim to know anything for certain? they can claim it, but it doesn't make it so. as i guess the only accurate way to put it, only the Creator knows. in short, i may think someone is "crazy", or agree that they are Insane. but all that means is that they, like me, have thoughts or beliefs that are contrary to the public. it is only when they are dangerous that i begin to worry, the potential for psychosis to lead to Serial Murder, or Terrorism, or Cultism, is a severe problem. call me Insane. i am. treat me as you will. it will happen. i don't believe that 2012 will be the end of the world (a huge change though, definately), but i do believe many things that the general public deems impossible and "crazy". :shrugs.: yet people claim to. nothin' to do about it, people are sheep. i am terrified by what i read in the Necronomicon, i am preparing for WTSHTF, and i believe that there are a number of Global and National Conspiracies that endager the Rights of Freedom that americans have.
I think too much sometimes.Not to promote this fear, but look up MK Ultra. They actually did do that. The result wasn't actual mind control, but allowed weakness to drugs and alcohol, weakness or resistance to torture or suggestions, and drugs to make people less able to think and more prone to be passive and follow orders. If slipped into the water supply, it would make most of the population dumb and passive. The military is the FIRST place to hit. You want an army of people who will follow commands without questions. The military centers around dehumanization and assimilation. That, and it wouldn't simply be the tapwater supply. It would be in the water that goes into food and beverages. Our government has done worse. We marched our soldiers into radioactive fallout to see the effects. We currently, on the beneficial side, put fluoride and chlorine in our water. Something tasteless and odorless could be slipped in very easily by those who control everything.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:50 pm
divineseraph Aakosir divineseraph Aakosir Chieftain Twilight :shrugs.: yet people claim to. nothin' to do about it, people are sheep. i am terrified by what i read in the Necronomicon, i am preparing for WTSHTF, and i believe that there are a number of Global and National Conspiracies that endager the Rights of Freedom that americans have.
I think too much sometimes.Not to promote this fear, but look up MK Ultra. They actually did do that. The result wasn't actual mind control, but allowed weakness to drugs and alcohol, weakness or resistance to torture or suggestions, and drugs to make people less able to think and more prone to be passive and follow orders. If slipped into the water supply, it would make most of the population dumb and passive. The military is the FIRST place to hit. You want an army of people who will follow commands without questions. The military centers around dehumanization and assimilation. That, and it wouldn't simply be the tapwater supply. It would be in the water that goes into food and beverages. Our government has done worse. We marched our soldiers into radioactive fallout to see the effects. We currently, on the beneficial side, put fluoride and chlorine in our water. Something tasteless and odorless could be slipped in very easily by those who control everything.
When do you say that experiment was? Where they sent our men in to radioactive fallout? Flouride and chloride supposedly help us. But with too high of a concentration and it will do harm. I don't like tap water unless it is from a well. I'm picky about the chemicals in my water.
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:21 am
Aakosir divineseraph Aakosir divineseraph Aakosir Chieftain Twilight :shrugs.: yet people claim to. nothin' to do about it, people are sheep. i am terrified by what i read in the Necronomicon, i am preparing for WTSHTF, and i believe that there are a number of Global and National Conspiracies that endager the Rights of Freedom that americans have.
I think too much sometimes.Not to promote this fear, but look up MK Ultra. They actually did do that. The result wasn't actual mind control, but allowed weakness to drugs and alcohol, weakness or resistance to torture or suggestions, and drugs to make people less able to think and more prone to be passive and follow orders. If slipped into the water supply, it would make most of the population dumb and passive. The military is the FIRST place to hit. You want an army of people who will follow commands without questions. The military centers around dehumanization and assimilation. That, and it wouldn't simply be the tapwater supply. It would be in the water that goes into food and beverages. Our government has done worse. We marched our soldiers into radioactive fallout to see the effects. We currently, on the beneficial side, put fluoride and chlorine in our water. Something tasteless and odorless could be slipped in very easily by those who control everything.
When do you say that experiment was? Where they sent our men in to radioactive fallout? Flouride and chloride supposedly help us. But with too high of a concentration and it will do harm. I don't like tap water unless it is from a well. I'm picky about the chemicals in my water.It wouldn't be done to poison or kill us, just make us nice and complacent. From the perspective of our rulers- No, not the government itself, the corporate leaders who own everything and have the power to buy everything- They would want us simple and willing to work for them because we can't figure out how to stop- A dumb, passive workforce like cattle who do the work for the low pay while the power and luxury remains in their hands forever.
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:38 am
That's bullshit. They need a competent ambitious workforce in the US. Do you think the banks want dumb people working for them? Or the IT companies? Everyone wants a smart, competent workforce, except if you're running a coal mine or something. Which is not big business.
Also, they've already got the mindless drones working for basicly nothing in places like China. They just outsource the simple tasks like making T-Shirts to there.
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:48 pm
Artto That's bullshit. They need a competent ambitious workforce in the US. Do you think the banks want dumb people working for them? Or the IT companies? Everyone wants a smart, competent workforce, except if you're running a coal mine or something. Which is not big business. Also, they've already got the mindless drones working for basicly nothing in places like China. They just outsource the simple tasks like making T-Shirts to there. I'm thinking of adding on sales there, the driving force of a capitalistic economy. Sales requires a lot of creative thinking, you can't drone on with the same old same old and expect people to fall for it every time, it's really a psychological game. Same with any type of collections. I doubt we'd have such an emphasis on education either if they really wanted to encourage a 'dumb' workforce. Critical thinking's not a bad thing to the upper echelons of society, I think, they just make efforts to direct it in a specific way and keep your attention exactly where they want it.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:23 am
Artto That's bullshit. They need a competent ambitious workforce in the US. Do you think the banks want dumb people working for them? Or the IT companies? Everyone wants a smart, competent workforce, except if you're running a coal mine or something. Which is not big business. Also, they've already got the mindless drones working for basicly nothing in places like China. They just outsource the simple tasks like making T-Shirts to there. Are you ambitious? Or do you work to get money to do things you like to do? People work for the system because, in the system, they must. Not because of any true ambition. Every worker's goal, in this system, is to get paid as much as possible for as little work as possible. Banks do want dumb people working for them- People who won't ask questions when following policies, for example. Go to a bank and tell me that the teller isn't a drone, greeting you with a forced smile and taking your check and following the process because that's their job. Everyone wants dumb, passive workers who will do what they are told with no questions. And that's just the micro, individual scale. The entire system works better if we don't question the media, the government, the spokespeople. Keep in mind, they don't want us retarded, just passive. If we are cattle going to our job, and capable enough to do it, then the machine keeps turning over, the status quo remains, the wealthy stay wealthy. We just shuffle through the system. Hell, we shuffle through it anyway. Were this to be fact, we would simply be put on a conveyor belt.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:26 am
Lateralus es Helica Artto That's bullshit. They need a competent ambitious workforce in the US. Do you think the banks want dumb people working for them? Or the IT companies? Everyone wants a smart, competent workforce, except if you're running a coal mine or something. Which is not big business. Also, they've already got the mindless drones working for basicly nothing in places like China. They just outsource the simple tasks like making T-Shirts to there. I'm thinking of adding on sales there, the driving force of a capitalistic economy. Sales requires a lot of creative thinking, you can't drone on with the same old same old and expect people to fall for it every time, it's really a psychological game. Same with any type of collections. I doubt we'd have such an emphasis on education either if they really wanted to encourage a 'dumb' workforce. Critical thinking's not a bad thing to the upper echelons of society, I think, they just make efforts to direct it in a specific way and keep your attention exactly where they want it. This is true unless education is misdirection. Propaganda happens all the time. Sort of like how we are taught in the early years that pilgrims and native americans got along great and had fun times. The winners write the history books.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:38 am
divineseraph It wouldn't be done to poison or kill us, just make us nice and complacent. From the perspective of our rulers- No, not the government itself, the corporate leaders who own everything and have the power to buy everything- They would want us simple and willing to work for them because we can't figure out how to stop- A dumb, passive workforce like cattle who do the work for the low pay while the power and luxury remains in their hands forever.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:03 am
You can't put someting in the water that would make people smart, but obedient to authority. That's too specific. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:04 am
Aakosir divineseraph It wouldn't be done to poison or kill us, just make us nice and complacent. From the perspective of our rulers- No, not the government itself, the corporate leaders who own everything and have the power to buy everything- They would want us simple and willing to work for them because we can't figure out how to stop- A dumb, passive workforce like cattle who do the work for the low pay while the power and luxury remains in their hands forever. Of course they would. You're confusing "Drone" with "Mindless". We would simply be more susceptible to taking orders. And cattle flow brilliantly in natural environments- Look at and herding species. They're not particularly bright and probably aren't great problem solvers, and they are easily herded. Likewise, our leaders want us easily herded but capable of working together. Being a drone doesn't make creativity impossible. It simply means that we are less capable of critical thought.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:10 am
Artto You can't put someting in the water that would make people smart, but obedient to authority. That's too specific. If I'm wrong, please correct me. You are. http://science.discovery.com/stories/mkultra.htmlThese things are very specific, including weakness to drugs, suggestion and hypnosis. And keep in mind, these are that things that have been admitted. Meaning, they could have made many more things that were in other projects or were simply hidden better.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:18 pm
I don't think I am. Quote: The goals of MK-ULTRA included investigating the following: Quote: But once LSD was ruled out as being too unpredictable, other drugs were tested; participants had barbiturates injected on one arm and amphetamines in the other — the net result being incoherent babble. Other drugs, including heroin, alcohol and sodium pentothal were tried, but ultimately none were the "dream drug" the government hungered for. The project was eventually scrapped and the "Manchurian Candidate" never came to be. In 1973 most of the MK-ULTRA files were destroyed, and Sidney Gottlieb died in 1999. Or did he!? "woooooo". I don't buy the "could have" arguments. Especially when it comes to conspiracy theories. The only viable method (which is used and works) is brainwashing and propaganda. There's no magical brainwashing drugs or hypno-rays.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:26 pm
divineseraph Aakosir divineseraph It wouldn't be done to poison or kill us, just make us nice and complacent. From the perspective of our rulers- No, not the government itself, the corporate leaders who own everything and have the power to buy everything- They would want us simple and willing to work for them because we can't figure out how to stop- A dumb, passive workforce like cattle who do the work for the low pay while the power and luxury remains in their hands forever. Of course they would. You're confusing "Drone" with "Mindless". We would simply be more susceptible to taking orders. And cattle flow brilliantly in natural environments- Look at and herding species. They're not particularly bright and probably aren't great problem solvers, and they are easily herded. Likewise, our leaders want us easily herded but capable of working together. Being a drone doesn't make creativity impossible. It simply means that we are less capable of critical thought.
People are herded too, my husband just said he has seen this and I do not doubt it. Think of the concentration camps, as a horrible example, but it fits. Those people were herded to wherever the Nazi's wanted them to go. They thought about escape, but they were too afraid to do anything. In that sense, the fear makes them mindless. And drone can be a synonym for mindless.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:30 am
Aakosir divineseraph Aakosir divineseraph It wouldn't be done to poison or kill us, just make us nice and complacent. From the perspective of our rulers- No, not the government itself, the corporate leaders who own everything and have the power to buy everything- They would want us simple and willing to work for them because we can't figure out how to stop- A dumb, passive workforce like cattle who do the work for the low pay while the power and luxury remains in their hands forever. Of course they would. You're confusing "Drone" with "Mindless". We would simply be more susceptible to taking orders. And cattle flow brilliantly in natural environments- Look at and herding species. They're not particularly bright and probably aren't great problem solvers, and they are easily herded. Likewise, our leaders want us easily herded but capable of working together. Being a drone doesn't make creativity impossible. It simply means that we are less capable of critical thought.
People are herded too, my husband just said he has seen this and I do not doubt it. Think of the concentration camps, as a horrible example, but it fits. Those people were herded to wherever the Nazi's wanted them to go. They thought about escape, but they were too afraid to do anything. In that sense, the fear makes them mindless. And drone can be a synonym for mindless.And we don't? Millions of people weren't terrified by 9/11 and H1N1 and the Avian Flu and Sars and Anthrax? Millions of people aren't working paycheck to paycheck under the capitalist system out of fear of losing their property and lifestyle? It's the same thing, just a more complex, drawn out problem. We are terrified of our leaders, following the command to be "normal" and "productive" (Productive, in this case, meaning working for them. I am not against productivity, but the concept in this society is that to be productive, in almost every instance, you must work under some such leader.) That is how we are herded. The system is set up around us, we fear losing in the system, and we are herded through the system. We are just doing what we have to do to survive, and this system makes that very profitable for a select few.
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