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Mythsysizer

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:25 pm


Aakosir
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This is a debate. Not an attack. So chill. It seems everyone who has posted here understands how it seems uneducated.

I sense a troll in our presence.


Well you certainly aren't treating it like a debate right now, how about you counter my arguments like people do in debates instead of making ad hominems? smile


There is no point in debating with someone who refuses to take in to consideration the other side.

I could make the same argument towards you. I just find your views unreasonable and your hate unwarranted, and repeatedly given reasons as to why. (Unless by "take in" you mean accept then I guess I haven't taken them in.) You're ignoring these reasons/arguments and instead attacking my character by saying i'm not open minded or something. When are you going to debate me in a valid way. Or do you just want to insult me now? lol
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:35 am


I know what you mean.
Badly written posts just take much more time to read, at least that's the case for me. There's a reason why we have a standard, so we could communicate easily. This is what we're doing it for.
Whenever I come across something that's very badly written (chatspeak, awful grammar, way too many spelling errors), I just don't bother reading. If the person who wrote it didn't make an effort to be intelligible, why should I put so much effort into deciphering their message.

English is my 2nd language. I very, very rarely speak it. But I have a spell checker installed on my browser and I make the effort to make my posts readable. Otherwise there's no point.

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Mythsysizer

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:26 am


Im A Little Pea
I know what you mean.
Badly written posts just take much more time to read, at least that's the case for me. There's a reason why we have a standard, so we could communicate easily. This is what we're doing it for.
Whenever I come across something that's very badly written (chatspeak, awful grammar, way too many spelling errors), I just don't bother reading. If the person who wrote it didn't make an effort to be intelligible, why should I put so much effort into deciphering their message.

English is my 2nd language. I very, very rarely speak it. But I have a spell checker installed on my browser and I make the effort to make my posts readable. Otherwise there's no point.


Well how about instead of the whole point of having a discussion with someone be about saying you instead of u, it's having a meaningful conversation? Just a thought. Also the effort to be intelligible requires intelligent thought not that you spelt some random word correctly.

I find it sad that you think the whole point to posting is simply to spell well, it must be why I've had such few meaningful conversations on this site.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:25 am


Mythsysizer
Aakosir
Mythsysizer
Aakosir
This is a debate. Not an attack. So chill. It seems everyone who has posted here understands how it seems uneducated.

I sense a troll in our presence.


Well you certainly aren't treating it like a debate right now, how about you counter my arguments like people do in debates instead of making ad hominems? smile


There is no point in debating with someone who refuses to take in to consideration the other side.

I could make the same argument towards you. I just find your views unreasonable and your hate unwarranted, and repeatedly given reasons as to why. (Unless by "take in" you mean accept then I guess I haven't taken them in.) You're ignoring these reasons/arguments and instead attacking my character by saying i'm not open minded or something. When are you going to debate me in a valid way. Or do you just want to insult me now? lol


Stop putting double meanings to my words. By taking in to consideration something you do not have to accept it, just see the other point of view. You are stuck on your side and will not even humor the other side.

My point is chat speak makes people assume you are uneducated or lazy. You could be the most brilliant doctor in the world and use chat speak when amongst friends. I really would hope not because IN MY OPINION it is lowering yourself to a level of stupidity that is disrespectful to yourself.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:31 am


Im A Little Pea
I know what you mean.
Badly written posts just take much more time to read, at least that's the case for me. There's a reason why we have a standard, so we could communicate easily. This is what we're doing it for.
Whenever I come across something that's very badly written (chatspeak, awful grammar, way too many spelling errors), I just don't bother reading. If the person who wrote it didn't make an effort to be intelligible, why should I put so much effort into deciphering their message.

English is my 2nd language. I very, very rarely speak it. But I have a spell checker installed on my browser and I make the effort to make my posts readable. Otherwise there's no point.


That's another thing. People who are speaking English {well... American English } as their second language will not be able to understand. I think you do a really good job with your English Pea. English is confusing enough as it is. No proper conjunctions or forms like Dative, Genitive that make understand everything easier. Instead you get the "cat's tail" which can be translated "the tail of the cat" to most languages, but some just can't translate nicely.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:11 pm


Aakosir
Mythsysizer
Aakosir
Mythsysizer
Aakosir
This is a debate. Not an attack. So chill. It seems everyone who has posted here understands how it seems uneducated.

I sense a troll in our presence.


Well you certainly aren't treating it like a debate right now, how about you counter my arguments like people do in debates instead of making ad hominems? smile


There is no point in debating with someone who refuses to take in to consideration the other side.

I could make the same argument towards you. I just find your views unreasonable and your hate unwarranted, and repeatedly given reasons as to why. (Unless by "take in" you mean accept then I guess I haven't taken them in.) You're ignoring these reasons/arguments and instead attacking my character by saying i'm not open minded or something. When are you going to debate me in a valid way. Or do you just want to insult me now? lol


Stop putting double meanings to my words. By taking in to consideration something you do not have to accept it, just see the other point of view. You are stuck on your side and will not even humor the other side.

My point is chat speak makes people assume you are uneducated or lazy. You could be the most brilliant doctor in the world and use chat speak when amongst friends. I really would hope not because IN MY OPINION it is lowering yourself to a level of stupidity that is disrespectful to yourself.


I didn't put double meanings into your words, if I had then I would have initially started out thinking by take in you meant accept. Which I didn't

Your point of view is unreasonable, please look at my previous post where I present reasons as to why. Otherwise please stop your baseless accusations that I did not take your view into consideration. If you want to persist on that route then prove it, if you don't do that then all your assertions of me not taking your views into consideration are simply assumptions on my person and insults.

People who assume chat speak is for the uneducated and lazy do so by their prejudice and bias. Your assumptions are uncalled for, and your opinion is dully noted.

Mythsysizer


Mythsysizer

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:19 pm


Aakosir
Im A Little Pea
I know what you mean.
Badly written posts just take much more time to read, at least that's the case for me. There's a reason why we have a standard, so we could communicate easily. This is what we're doing it for.
Whenever I come across something that's very badly written (chatspeak, awful grammar, way too many spelling errors), I just don't bother reading. If the person who wrote it didn't make an effort to be intelligible, why should I put so much effort into deciphering their message.

English is my 2nd language. I very, very rarely speak it. But I have a spell checker installed on my browser and I make the effort to make my posts readable. Otherwise there's no point.


That's another thing. People who are speaking English {well... American English } as their second language will not be able to understand. I think you do a really good job with your English Pea. English is confusing enough as it is. No proper conjunctions or forms like Dative, Genitive that make understand everything easier. Instead you get the "cat's tail" which can be translated "the tail of the cat" to most languages, but some just can't translate nicely.


The ability to interpret chat speak or any other unconventional way of typing always requires a certain amount of cleverness and esoteric knowledge. The fact that their are people who speak english as a second language doesn't warrant a stop to someone writing in CS. If they speak english then they have the fundamental knowledge to understand the basis of CS or any other derivative of english, as long as they put in the small effort required from anyone. Also she wasn't complaining about the english language already being confusing you just fabricated that up, assuming she is overwhelmed by it.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:43 pm


Mythsysizer
Aakosir
Im A Little Pea
I know what you mean.
Badly written posts just take much more time to read, at least that's the case for me. There's a reason why we have a standard, so we could communicate easily. This is what we're doing it for.
Whenever I come across something that's very badly written (chatspeak, awful grammar, way too many spelling errors), I just don't bother reading. If the person who wrote it didn't make an effort to be intelligible, why should I put so much effort into deciphering their message.

English is my 2nd language. I very, very rarely speak it. But I have a spell checker installed on my browser and I make the effort to make my posts readable. Otherwise there's no point.


That's another thing. People who are speaking English {well... American English } as their second language will not be able to understand. I think you do a really good job with your English Pea. English is confusing enough as it is. No proper conjunctions or forms like Dative, Genitive that make understand everything easier. Instead you get the "cat's tail" which can be translated "the tail of the cat" to most languages, but some just can't translate nicely.


The ability to interpret chat speak or any other unconventional way of typing always requires a certain amount of cleverness and esoteric knowledge. The fact that their are people who speak english as a second language doesn't warrant a stop to someone writing in CS. If they speak english then they have the fundamental knowledge to understand the basis of CS or any other derivative of english, as long as they put in the small effort required from anyone. Also she wasn't complaining about the english language already being confusing you just fabricated that up, assuming she is overwhelmed by it.


I was not saying that she found it confusing. Trying to learn other languages after having English as my only language is hard. I understand how much English is missing. and when people tlk lik dis den others will not be able to translate correctly. And I do not understand how skipping letters and substituing correct ones is clever.

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Mythsysizer

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:13 pm


Aakosir
Mythsysizer
Aakosir
Im A Little Pea
I know what you mean.
Badly written posts just take much more time to read, at least that's the case for me. There's a reason why we have a standard, so we could communicate easily. This is what we're doing it for.
Whenever I come across something that's very badly written (chatspeak, awful grammar, way too many spelling errors), I just don't bother reading. If the person who wrote it didn't make an effort to be intelligible, why should I put so much effort into deciphering their message.

English is my 2nd language. I very, very rarely speak it. But I have a spell checker installed on my browser and I make the effort to make my posts readable. Otherwise there's no point.


That's another thing. People who are speaking English {well... American English } as their second language will not be able to understand. I think you do a really good job with your English Pea. English is confusing enough as it is. No proper conjunctions or forms like Dative, Genitive that make understand everything easier. Instead you get the "cat's tail" which can be translated "the tail of the cat" to most languages, but some just can't translate nicely.


The ability to interpret chat speak or any other unconventional way of typing always requires a certain amount of cleverness and esoteric knowledge. The fact that their are people who speak english as a second language doesn't warrant a stop to someone writing in CS. If they speak english then they have the fundamental knowledge to understand the basis of CS or any other derivative of english, as long as they put in the small effort required from anyone. Also she wasn't complaining about the english language already being confusing you just fabricated that up, assuming she is overwhelmed by it.


I was not saying that she found it confusing. Trying to learn other languages after having English as my only language is hard. I understand how much English is missing. and when people tlk lik dis den others will not be able to translate correctly. And I do not understand how skipping letters and substituing correct ones is clever.


If you speak fluent english, then you could translate it as well as anyone else who speaks fluent english. How do we know what it means? If the context and sound of the word is generally pointing to a particular word we can tell what it means, easily. If you speak english well enough you're likely going to do the same. For example, "dis den" is an accent in some english communities. Many novelist incorporate accents into their works, and translators don't exclude or find trouble in translating the equivalent phonetics of it to their own language. Most foriegners that know something about U.S culture know that southerners have a distinct difference in pronunciation of words than northerners. When reading english literature do you think they have trouble if the author chooses to write the dialogue of a southerner in a souther accent, or a urban dweller's dialogue in some urban accent? I find that hard to imagine, and believe your view of how people learn language is simplistic. Also it doesn't take much wit if you speak fluent english to understand from the context what words tlk and lik are going for. confused

It may not be clever to someone who's seen it a million times, but seeing it for the first time will usually spark a bulb like, "Oh! I see, clever." But you're right, even then not everyone will agree that it's clever, it's more of a subjective notion.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:36 pm


I have another point that I was thinking about today. This actually happened in another guild. It was a serious discussion thread and all of a sudden you see some random person throw in their two cents in text talk. Now if that was your thread and if you were having an in depth conversation how would you feel about someone like that? I would think they obviously do not care about the discussion.

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Mythsysizer

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:11 am


Aakosir
I have another point that I was thinking about today. This actually happened in another guild. It was a serious discussion thread and all of a sudden you see some random person throw in their two cents in text talk. Now if that was your thread and if you were having an in depth conversation how would you feel about someone like that? I would think they obviously do not care about the discussion.


I already told you that for me it depends on the merits of their thoughts. Not whether they choose to type unconventionally.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:50 am


Mythsysizer
Aakosir
I have another point that I was thinking about today. This actually happened in another guild. It was a serious discussion thread and all of a sudden you see some random person throw in their two cents in text talk. Now if that was your thread and if you were having an in depth conversation how would you feel about someone like that? I would think they obviously do not care about the discussion.


I already told you that for me it depends on the merits of their thoughts. Not whether they choose to type unconventionally.


Well considering I was not asking just you.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:46 pm


i totally know what you mean. i hate all the short-handed texting and stuff. i don't even think spelling words shorter and incorrectly makes the process to take less time. i watched Jimmy Kemmel Live and Justin Long was starring as a guest. he was talking about the process of texting and how everything teens(generally) rush things. although different habits are hard to break, grammatical errors are something easy to fix. now that i think about it, i know i said i "hate" poor literacy, but i guess i don't really mind. i still strongly believe that people should write more well though.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:12 pm


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Aakosir
Oh, I'm so glad I am not the only one XD

But it is the internet in general that bugs me. I really think there should be a built in spell check on every site that does not allow you to post in the "text talk"


A person has a right to express themselves and meaning in text talk if they wish. The person also has the right to type in a way you don't understand. Why would you infringe on these rights, is it simply because you're selfish and everything that is done should be done as a means of giving only you gratification?


Yes, they have the right to type however the hell they want. and we have the right to not give them the time of day. Why should we take have to learn a whole new version of spelling because someone wants to be lazy, or trendy, or cute. I am having problems with kids not learning the correct way to write in the first place.

You call Aakosir selfish, but by making that judgment, you in turn show us that you aren't concerned with her feelings about the issue. Why should you be the last determining factor on what is good online etiquette?

The general etiquette rule states that when you enter a forum, you should use the writing method that the creator uses. So it is inconsiderate and disrespectful when the discussion is being held in a literate manner , and someone suddenly jumps in with chat-speak or L33T.

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Mythsysizer

PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:09 am


Yes, they have the right to type however the hell they want. and we have the right to not give them the time of day. Why should we take have to learn a whole new version of spelling because someone wants to be lazy, or trendy, or cute. I am having problems with kids not learning the correct way to write in the first place.

I never said you couldn't ignore them, or refuse to learn a "new version of spelling." (as if it's that hard) go right ahead I don't care. It's not as if I'm arguing for you to not do that.
If someone knows how to write than they were taught it in school, that's where you generally learn to write. Therefore they do know how to write correctly they simply choose not to sometimes. If you have a problem with kids not learning how to write correctly then what you have a problem with is teachers failing to teach students how to write correctly, or students suffering from dyslexia or other diseases which impair their ability to learn how to write correctly. This is a completely different subject from kids who've already learned how to write correctly yet choose to type differently. Unless you're trying to correlate the two, in that case you have to prove that this correlation is the cause of kids typing incorrectly. Otherwise you're simply asserting something by virtue of it's correlation which does nothing to actually proving it's the causation.

What I argued was that they don't have to type the way you say they should, you agree they have the right to type anyway they want. What's your reason for infringing on those rights? They're doing nothing to infringe on yours.

You call Aakosir selfish, but by making that judgment, you in turn show us that you aren't concerned with her feelings about the issue. Why should you be the last determining factor on what is good online etiquette?

Actually I am concerned about her feelings as I have previously made an opinion on them. I said that I see no legitimate reason for her to hate on these unconventional ways of typing and therefore I find her feelings unwarranted. If she demands others to type correctly simply for her feelings appeasement then she is selfish. She is only concerned with what she wants. Also I never claimed that I'm the "last determining factor on good online etiquette". You have every right to disregard my opinions on her selfishness.

The general etiquette rule states that when you enter a forum, you should use the writing method that the creator uses. So it is inconsiderate and disrespectful when the discussion is being held in a literate manner , and someone suddenly jumps in with chat-speak or L33T.

Where can I verify that that's the rule? How is it disrespectful and inconsiderate? So is it respectful to discriminate against someones perferred way of typing, yet disrespectful for said someone to join in on a conversation they probably found interesting? I find that your discrimination is far more disrespectful and inconsiderate than a chatspeaker joining a discriminating and inconsiderate group.

I commend anyone who disregards your shallow, discriminating, and far more inconsiderate preference.
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