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Nightingail90

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:27 pm


I'm not sure about immersion or mandatory... but a quality education in a second language should be offered- and at an earlier age, at least for the United States. Most students start learning a new language in high school- when it's generally hard than if one was in elementary school (my school offered a semester of spanish when I was 12 in 7th grade and spanish 1 for high school credit when I was in 8th grade or 13-14).

I can have basic conversations in spanish with a few other people at my level- but honestly, not that many others can after taking 3 years of a language in the American Education system. However, I have friends in other countries where english is not their first language and they are fluent- or almost so. I noticed that in many other countries, students also study more than just 1 foreign language for a period of time. In order to do that here, most of the time the 2 languages will have to be your only 'electives' (will be for me next year...).

The fact that in the United States few people learn to be bilingual (or almost) saddens me. This is actually one reason why I would consider moving to another country- for a better opportunity for any future kids to learn other languages. However, the spanish speaking population is growing in the US so hopefully Spanish would be taught at a younger age and more thoroughly AND at younger ages- that would be pretty awesome.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:29 am


Nightingail90
I'm not sure about immersion or mandatory... but a quality education in a second language should be offered- and at an earlier age, at least for the United States. Most students start learning a new language in high school- when it's generally hard than if one was in elementary school (my school offered a semester of spanish when I was 12 in 7th grade and spanish 1 for high school credit when I was in 8th grade or 13-14).

I can have basic conversations in spanish with a few other people at my level- but honestly, not that many others can after taking 3 years of a language in the American Education system. However, I have friends in other countries where english is not their first language and they are fluent- or almost so. I noticed that in many other countries, students also study more than just 1 foreign language for a period of time. In order to do that here, most of the time the 2 languages will have to be your only 'electives' (will be for me next year...).

The fact that in the United States few people learn to be bilingual (or almost) saddens me. This is actually one reason why I would consider moving to another country- for a better opportunity for any future kids to learn other languages. However, the spanish speaking population is growing in the US so hopefully Spanish would be taught at a younger age and more thoroughly AND at younger ages- that would be pretty awesome.
That's a problem with English-speaking countries, yeah. Learning other languages often just isn't regarded as being important, since "they all speak English anyway". (Not my words!) My French and Spanish lessons at school never went much further than asking for directions or ordering food.

DavidGemmell


JackSparrowAsksYaSavvy

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:52 pm


Language immersion definitely needs to play a bigger part in schools. There's a terrifying lack of it in American schools, as far as I've seen. The best time to learn is when you're young- it gets much more difficult later on. Many countries, such as Germany and Japan, have mandatory foreign language learning... And in most cases, they aren't just bi-lingual, but multi-lingual. I forgot how the system worked, but I'm pretty sure that German schools have their students learn atleast 2 other foreign languages.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:45 am


I think that language immersion would be an excellent way to make people bilingual (I'd love to be able to speak another language fluently without any difficulty). The problem is deciding what language to choose immerse children in. An obvious choice in non-English speaking countries would be English, but what about countries that already speak English? Canada could do French, the USA could probably do Spanish, but what about the UK, Australia and New Zealand? Plus parents may wish their child to learn a different language to what is available at the schools (personally I wouldn't want to learn French because I think there are much mroe useful languages around)

Caerwiden


NEUTiN

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:38 pm


Yah I think that it should be mandatory for every school to be an Immerision school. That would be cool too. I think my school would be half taught in Russian because there is a big russian population in my city.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:37 am


It seems like a good idea, true, but something about it bothers me. Not least the fact that anyone who's bad at languages will end up doing badly in everything else, too, even if they're good at them (if you see what I mean).

It's a good idea if they want to do it, but I certainly don't think it should be mandatory.

DavidGemmell


The_0ther_Account

PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:24 pm


I think it would be great! I would have loved to learn another language from the very start....much easier than doing it now...
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:16 am


I really like that idea but let's face it... some dumb a** is probably going to mess it up. I mean think about it.

Let's say... Spanish Immerson.

Most of the kids are honestly studying hard and wanting to become fluent in the language and learn about the culture in let's say....Mexico.

However there is always the jokester/prankster/smartass of the bunch. That one bad apple. He may go off and take advantage of drugs or the law that says 18 year olds can drink alcohol. He may go out in a situation that can get him kidnapped or killed. Or perhaps he provokes the natives. This will obviously cause the students to return home and immerson will probably stopped.

I hate to be pessimisstic but I think that if students are really dedicated enough to go to a foreign country and surround themselves in a different culture/language they should study abroad on their own.

It saves time, money, and stress.

Basbousa


bladiblah

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:10 pm


It's an excellent idea to have immersion schools, but I think they should be optional. I also think that you should be able to learn a second language starting as soon a 1st grade though. With the way the human mind works, it seems that the older you are, the harder it is to learn new things, and language seems to be one of those. If we had the option of learning earlier, then people would be fluent more quickly and easily. 3nodding
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:50 pm


That would be good, but I need to already have some of the basics of a language down before I would feel comfortable. Such as getting thrown into a situation and not having any knowledge of a language would be akward and difficult to make yourself understood.

the_haunted_boy


Taeryyn

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:21 pm


You'd have to find people qualified to teach, first. I was in core French from grade 4 until graduation, and all but one of my teachers could barely speak any French at all.

Canada has two official languages, but only one province that's officially bilingual in French and English, and something like 80% of the country's population is unilingual. In larger centres, there are several options available when it comes to learning French; immersion programs, extended programs, and core programs. Extended is less in depth than immersion, but much more involved than core.

The problem is that even in these better programs, the teachers (and curiculuum) aren't always very good. I have friends who were in immersion for years but came out of school and were still only at a beginner level in the language. confused

My boyfriend is qualified to teach in French, and he can pretty much teach wherever he wants; that's how desperately these teachers are needed. Unfortunately, even in some Acadian regions where French is spoken fluently, the students often have little or no idea how to read and write in French. gonk

Others have argued that some people just aren't good at languages, and shouldn't be forced into language courses. Well, I've always struggled at math, but it was still mandatory for me, so I'm not sympathetic to that argument.

Even though it's really not even possible to require immersion in all schools at this point since there just aren't enough teachers, I would love to see something be done to ensure that the language education in schools is drastically improved. French is already mandatory here from grades 4 to 9; we might as well make sure they actually LEARN something during that time!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:38 pm


Assuming you could find people to teach all these classes in said language it'd be a great idea, especially it it started in kindergarten. It's proven that you pick up languages easier when your younger. Who gives a crap if they don't like to learn languages, kids don't like learning all their times tables either but they learn it any way (or fake it like I did ninja ). And in my area there are so many Mexicans moving in that it'd be useful for kids to become fluent as early as possible.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:02 pm


that is SO the best way to learn a language. I was in a spanish immersion school, and lemme tell ya, if you are dumped into a shark tank where the sharks speak only spnidsh, you pick it up really quick.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:14 am


I think that everyone should learn a second language, and an imersion school would be the best way to learn. I know that learning Spanish helped me with my English (even though English is my native language). Unfortunately, I started learning Spanish, a little bit, in kindergarden, but every year I tried to learn more, they would just teach me what I already knew; the numbers, colors, and greetings/goodbyes. I only learned more once I got to 8th grade. And in high school, Spanish classes were the least intense foreign language classes at our school. I would have so loved to go to an imersion school, despite my parents thinking they are pointless.

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