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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:08 am


Well, think about Cowboy Bebop.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:29 am


Kenichi Tsukimura
Well, think about Cowboy Bebop.


*Thinks about Cowboy Bebop*

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:03 am


Well, it's actually a random plot, when u think about it, and some character's past are re-explored, so, ya.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:27 pm


Kenichi Tsukimura
Well, it's actually a random plot, when u think about it, and some character's past are re-explored, so, ya.


I'll think about it when one types u as you.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:16 pm


Wotan Manasal
This would actually prevent lots of mass catering and "mainstreamisation". I like it. By the way, Galaxy Angel was awesome.


Agreed, Galaxy Angel is awesome.

Wotan Manasal

They should be very, very, careful if they are going to do that... but it might (or might not) work.


*nods nods* Yeah, doing this should come off as a nod to fans, not a forceful headbutt that would make things awkward. Espcially with touhou's fan community, with certain fanon being more well known than canon, I think it would be a good idea to drop little refrences to fan jokes or you may risk giving the Touhou anime a too foreign feel to certain fans who have gotten comfortable in fanon (such as personally I get alittle weirded out thinking of Momiji and Aya having a bickering fued relationship after getting so used to Momiji being displayed as Aya's loyal side kick so often). Ofcourse trying to actually implement some fan jokes would just be weird. So having a buch of disembodied heads jumping around would just be bad, but maybe having a lazy Reimu resting her head on the table and replying to another character to "Yukkuri shiteitte ne" or "Take it easy" may bring a smirk to some fans, while not breaking the series.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:21 pm


Shingami Hiroshi
(such as personally I get alittle weirded out thinking of Momiji and Aya having a bickering fued relationship after getting so used to Momiji being displayed as Aya's loyal side kick so often).


This is simply saying that ZUN is the creator; you can have your cute little own theories but in the end what the creator of any series says is what is set in stone cannonically.

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Shingami Hiroshi

PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:27 am


True, but with something like touhou, I think it is important to undestand both fanon and canon, understanding how they relate to one another and differ. Even what is canon is not set in stone, Reimu's purple hair for an example. Also take a look at super man. Super man flies right? Origianlly Super man merely leapt the great distances, the flying idea was liked better and became canon. For better or worse, what will be remembered in the end is the most popular idea as opposed to the origianl or true one. "Luke, I am your father" is far more remembered than the actual "No, I am your father" ... I forgot what point I was trying to make, I am just kind of rambling as I am tired.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:32 am


Shingami Hiroshi
True, but with something like touhou, I think it is important to undestand both fanon and canon, understanding how they relate to one another and differ. Even what is canon is not set in stone, Reimu's purple hair for an example. Also take a look at super man. Super man flies right? Origianlly Super man merely leapt the great distances, the flying idea was liked better and became canon. For better or worse, what will be remembered in the end is the most popular idea as opposed to the origianl or true one. "Luke, I am your father" is far more remembered than the actual "No, I am your father" ... I forgot what point I was trying to make, I am just kind of rambling as I am tired.


There can be aspects that are different within the story in question. The fact that at one point Reimu's hair had been purple is canon- it -had- happened before.

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Shingami Hiroshi

PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:03 am


The reason I brought up the hair is because the point of having something canon is to keep consistency within a story line. The fact that her hair is later black seems to overwrite her previous purple hair status, but maybe her hair did just simply change color and they don't want to go into details about it, its a small detail anyways. But it is such vagueness and holes in what is concidered canon that raises some questions. Such as why is Reimu complaining about cleaning in her bunbunmaru article when she has a robotic maid. Why has Mima been so quiet for so long? Who actually does resolve the incident sence it would seem that would depend on the players choice? It is however this vagueness which has allowed for several Fanon theories to fill in the gaps. Its a fairly unique situation as what is canon influences fanon, which seems to in turn reinfluence canon in some cases. This unique situation also allows for a type of social evoloution, as there are several ideas out there, but the best end up being the ones remembered and referanced, survival of the fittest. I think the point I was trying to make was that because of this relationship, to get a grasp on Touhou and its culture you got to kind of understand both canon and fanon. However I can't remember what my actualy objective was as I am about to fall face first into my key board, need sleep...
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:50 am


PCB Alice Margatroid
you can have your cute little own theories but in the end what the creator of any series says is what is set in stone cannonically.

If the same creator of the series doesn't ******** up (?) later by making self-contradictory statements, like ZUN did, then yes.

Shingami Hiroshi
this vagueness which has allowed for several Fanon theories to fill in the gaps. [...] fanon, which seems to in turn reinfluence canon [...] This unique situation also allows for [...] survival of the fittest.

But ZUN doesn't seem to care about what fanon says about the Touhouverse. After all, he killed at least three fan-made character pairings.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:01 pm


Wotan Manasal
But ZUN doesn't seem to care about what fanon says about the Touhouverse. After all, he killed at least three fan-made character pairings.


And what parings were those?
Aside from the Aya-Momiji one, that one I know.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:14 pm


Marisa-Alice and Letty-Cirno. Well, to tell the truth, the former was already dead before fans started going at it. As for the latter, I'll quote an extract from Letty's interview on Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red:

Quote:
LETTY. — [...] I manipulate the cold. I don't want to be associated with a certain fairy that manipulates cold air.
AYA. — Isn't that the same thing?
LETTY. — Those fairies are a small burden on nature. [...]

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:29 pm


Ah.

If anything, I'd say that Marisa and Alice are simply friends.
Judging by the pre-combat dialogue in PCB, they simply get along well.
Nothing strange there.


Unless the books have said otherwise.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:13 pm


In IN, it's more like Marisa and Alice are the odd couple.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:25 pm


True, and that gets revisited in SA.
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