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Ok, I have played FF7 and what i have noticed, after beating it numerous times, as well as the other final fantasies, is that Square puts things in the games that are soo subtle that practically no one can pick up on them.

Soldier Zack, Cloud: Zack supposedly made soldier first class, and Cloud made 3rd, BOTH were from Niblheim. Could it be possible that Zack somehow switched the results of their tests within Soldier so that he would make First Class to impress Tifa? The manual says that Tifa has ALWAYS had feelings for cloud but never really outwardly shows them. Zack could see this and wanted her for him making him do that. Mind you Sephiroth beat the ever living piss out of Zack. Its a theory most people dont take into consideration because its not outright said. Anyone who knows things about the military, is its not just physical exams your placed through. A soldier needs to be able to think for himself as well as be able to follow orders. I doubt, I HIGHLY doubt that a company as Powerful as Shinra would not give their military some sort of academic exam to join them. All were given jenova's cells yes, but each person is different regardless of genetics. Therefore they only wanted the best in Soldier. Zack could have found a way to cheat, and switch their test results to be all like "Looky looky Tifa im Soldier first class! I'm an Attention wh*re". Cloud is obviously more powerful than Zack, because Zack couldnt even compare to Sephiroth, but CLoud could time and time again.

Sephiroth's Death, and Cloud:
The story line shows you, even with the messed up memory cloud was given. Cloud thought he was zack in that truck scene when he wasnt, he was the shinra 3rd class sitting across from him that zacked talked to. Cloud was never much of a Talker, and that soldier didnt say much either. so cloud was seeing things he had actually done, just thought he was zack because of the altered memory. The game shows you that zack and tifa both ran into the reactor after sephiroth. it then shows the REAL memory and has cloud carrying tifa aside to safety. Later that same scene(the correct memory and no one picked up on this) Sephiroth rammed the Masamune(Which by the way is a 6 foot long blade, it was thought only Sephiroth could wield it properly, meaning the SHM in the trailer IS NOT using the masamune, his sword is too short to be the masamune.) through Cloud's stomach and lifted him into the air. This is the part most people dont get think somewhat logically and stay open minded with me(thats for you Sephiroth is the most godly uber person fanatics cause this proves you wrong). Cloud grasps the Masamune BY THE FRICKING BLADE and pushes it back down, then effectively wields it well enough to lift sephiroth up while removing the blade from within him, and launches sephiroth over the edge! Now does this kill Sephiroth? No. Sephiroth was launched into the Mako energy Encasing his body in a crystal. YES this does kill him technically, BUT Mako energy is also part of the Life stream, and since his body was encased in solidifed Life Stream, his soul could not escape. He was dead but trapped in his body and he went insane.(you get encased inside of your own body for 6 years and tell me you are a happy person). Anyway got off track, back on now. Cloud WIELDED the Masamune, which only Sephiroth was supposed to be able to use. This was BEFORE cloud was infused with Jenova's Cells. Which translates too....

Cloud was originally stronger than Sephiroth, but did not have Soldier 1st Class training to be able to match him in full out combat, but power for power Cloud was greater, defeating him. (my memory is a little fuzzy here so correct me if im wrong) Before that event, Cloud carried Tifa outside of the Reactor before going in to face sephiroth. Walking out of the Reactor Cloud heads down to Niblheim still Bleeding from the wound that sephiroth gave him. He reaches the town and passes out among the burning ruins from loss of blood where Hojo then finds him.

Cloud Failed Experiment:
Hojo Explains that Cloud was a failed attempt to clone sephiroth's strength by using Jenova cells. NOT once does he ever state why it failed. Cloud as i stated earlier is stronger than sephiroth before the cells were in him. The Jenova cells make those that have been infused with enough of them act towards Sephiroth the same way a moth reacts to a flame. It's Sephiroth's combined ancient blood and Jenova cells that make him that flame. Cloud was a Failed experiment because His own will and strength was greater than that of Sephiroth so he would not follow the call willingly. Now this is where all of you say but cloud went to the crater and blacked out etc. For you people who dont know the HUman Psyche, i can explain that one too. Cloud was chasing him the entire time because subconsiously Cloud knows he killed him. He may not actively know it, but something inside tells him that the sephiroth he is following is not the real one. Which we find out to be true. But because of all the hogwash with the Jenova cells and Sephiroth "clones" Cloud's willpower toward the fact is weakened a bit. Just like if you are all psyched about buying a new game, some people(regardless of how strong willed they are) will be less likely to buy it then they had originally been if people who already have it keep telling them it sucks. Thats what happened here. CLoud didn't have his full memories back yet and Began to actually Believe that he was just another Sephiroth clone, and being told that he was following the call(which shocked Hojo if you remember) made sense somewhere and planted the seeds of Doubt. With a weakened Resolve the Genova cells became more dominant over Clouds mind causing that black out from such close proximity to the real Sephiroth's Consiousness which was trapped in that crystal. Cloud was a failed experiment because he would not heed the natural instinct to become one with sephiroth which all the major clones had. His will is wihtout being dampened by doubt, too strong.

Wheel Chair Person:
The Wheel Chair person COULD NOT be Sephiroth if the SHM were clones because Sephiroth kills all the clones he meets.

This is my Theory, the Title Advent Children does not mean the coming of the children. Remember, it is done in a Japanese format. Where the Noun comes AFTER the Verb. its not the coming of the Children, but the Children of the Coming. Meaning that probably to bring about whatever, the children are what are necessary, hence the importance of Marlene.

Geostigma:
From what we know of this strange... disease, force, whatever, is it seems to be directly opposed to the Lifestream. Children would be more closely tied to the life stream because, when you die your soul returns to the life stream, Children are freshly out of the Lifestream compared to adults. Making them more sensitive to the Geostigma. When you defeated Sephiroth for the last time in FF7 a red mist came from his body. Sephiroth wanted to Absorb the Lifestream so that he would gain ultimate Knowledge and power, effectively making him a god. The Lifestream gives itself to life, Sephiroth was taking the Lifestream from life. He became in essence its opposite. The Geostigma may very well be the Soul of the Defeated Sephiroth(remember his soul never returned to the lifestream.), and that would explain why sephiroth would play an important role. The children would be the cause of his ressurection. If the Geostigma is in fact his soul, then a child infected with Geostigma strongly enough, would in essence become Sephiroth once again.

Hojo(and why he is so important in this theory):
Hojo implanted Jenova cells into Sephiroth before he was born. I believe he was trying to creat a god. Hojo probably knew he himself could not become god himself, but if he could create a god, then as god's creator it would have to listen to him. He WANTED Sephiroth to call meteor and become a god, because he figured that Sephiroth would listen to him. Vincent is NOT Sephiroth's father, Vincent was in love with Lucrecia, but she loved Hojo, so of course she would do anything for him. Hojo and Lucrecia get jiggy with it, she gets pregnant, he implants the unborn Sephiroth(which is Yggdrassil the Tree of life in other legends. Also Yggdrassil is also called the Devouring Serpent who would one day consume the entire planet into nothingness. Aptly named since Sephiroth was going to absorb the Lifestream and therefore life along with it.). Hojo is Sephiroth's Creator, not in that he put Jenova's cells into him(come on people, putting some cells into someone doesnt you their creator, if you share blood with someone your cells are in them, you didnt create them though. Your Parents created you heh.) so that he would be bonded to the Materia Meteor which would cause him to be Ancient in blood, since she was, and since he was still a part of Lucrecia, she became part ancient as well(provided Lucrecia wasnt already an Ancient to begin with). Which explains why Sephiroth is an Ancient. Vincent, became angry at finding out that Lucrecia and Hojo were doing this, because he wanted her, and after the child was born, he attacked Lucrecia in a rage, which is why she really doesnt like him at all kinda, but does its wierd. Being part Ancient, she didn't necessarily Die, Her soul persevered somehow, its been a while since i last played i would have to redo it to find out the whole thing. But Because Vincent was A Turk, Hojo performed Experiments on him giving him the abilities he has, and the guilt at harming the woman he loves is why he put himself into a solitary sleep/coma. Thats why Vincent says he has sin on his soul that cannot be forgiven etc. As we know, Sephiroth calls Hojo his creator but he doesnt listen to him, like all humans(or part humans in this case), Sephiroth has the ability to go against the wishes of his creator. Upon Finding this out, Hojo implanted himself with Jenova Cells, so that if he would die he would become one with Sephiroth(who has Jenova Genetically in him since it was done before he was born.) and still able to Become a god. And if Sephiroth were to Die, he would become one with one of the other "clones" and Hojo could just kill all of them, so that HE would be able to use Meteor and therefore able to become God by absorbing the Life stream.

Aeris and her Lineage:
There is obviously some connection between Aeris and Sephiroth, appearance alone is enough to make people think their related. I think that Lucrecia either, gave birth to twins, OR, had a second child, perhaps with or someone else, maybe even Tseng. If Lucrecia gave birth to twins, Vincent harmed her after their birth. Remember, Sephiroth's Age is NEVER told although Aeris' age is. If Lucrecia had a second child with Tseng, Lucrecia now being part Ancient, Aeris would be Ancient, AND that would explain Tseng's Fascination with her. And didnt Tseng make mention that he did experiments on her mother?(oh you KNOW what kind of Experiments im talking about )

Why Aeris has Holy and Sephiroth Meteor:
Holy and Meteor are Opposites, Sephiroth was Directly affected with Jenova's Cells, making Jenova part of him, Lucrecia being his mother would gain the same abilities as an Ancient, because the DNA would be given to her since they were linked. There is an explanation to both Theories i proposed about Aeris and Sephiroth Being Brother and Sister.

Twins - If they were twins, then That explains the uncanny resemblance of their hair styles, meaning Identical twins. Identical twins are beget fromt he same egg, meaning two halves of the same whole. Which is why Sephiroth would gain Meteor, and Aeris his other half, would gain Holy. Which is also why Sephiroth, being the "darker" of the two, has lighter hair, an Irony in a sence. Where as Aeris has Darker hair, but is Pure of heart. Sephiroth also has a dark presence around him, Aeris has a Light presence to her.

Not Twins - If they were not twins, Sephiroth was born and is Linked to Meteor because Jenova was Evil as is Meteor. Tseng impregnates Lucrecia, and has Aeris(now if Lucrecia was ancient to begin with, or she got it from the cells given to Sephiroth from Hojo Aeris would be Ancient.) If Lucrecia became an Ancient through the Jenova Cells given to Sephiroth, Aeris does NOT have those cells within her, but is still an Ancient, and Ancients are Tied almost DIRECTLY to the life stream, Being the Last two Ancients, the two of them would Manifest Opposite Abilities, Sephiroth Destruction from the Jenova cells, Aeris Creation. Both would have similar Hair styles because of the same mother, Aeris has dark Hair because Jenova, had white hair. Not being of Jenova's Direct Lineage, the Gene for that White hair would not go to her. Vincent would be mad at the fact that Lucrecia had no been with two people not him, and hurts her in a Jealous Rage. Tseng blames himself for not being able to protect her and tells Aeris when he sees her grown up, that it was his fault she "died". The first time you meet Lucrecia is AFTER you lose Aeris remember. Because Aeris is the Embodiment of Creation and Life for the Ancients being one of the two. She can move her spirit which would pass on into the life stream, out of it to manifest like a ghost, allowing her to guilde Avalanche.

Holy and Sephiroth:
After what i just said, you might think, well then why did Sephiroth Kill Aeris if it was his sister, possibly even his twin. That Sephiroth is the physical maifestation of Sephiroth's Soul, which could not pass on, but because of his sheer power through Jenova within him, and the Lineage of the Ancients in his blood, Sephiroth can make his "Astral Self" solidify. He was encased in his dead, but perfectly preserved Body for several years, and with Jenova part of him, he lost his mind. Aeris while alive could activate the Holy Materia to Stop Meteor should it be used. Holy being the Defensive side, would have to wait till Meteor had already been activated, which is why she thinks it does nothing. Sephiroth being part of Jenova, still has his own Lineage in him, allowing him some controle over the Holy(from Lucrecia's genes because Jenova is only part of him, not his entirety.). The only Thing in his mind is to fufill what Jenova wanted to do as well, and thats Gain Ultimate Knowledge, and since the Holy Materia was the only thing that could stop him, He killed Aeris to prevent Holy from being able to be used since there were no more ancients.(It was said her Mother gave her that Materia, so that Means Lucrecia already had posession of it.)

Final Battle against Sephiroth:
This battle could not have taken place inside's Cloud's mind because Tifa was with him and Both heard him laughing. Cloud then turns to Tifa and says calling out to me, and she (i believe she does correct me if i am wrong) says to go to him, Cloud then Lets go of her and goes down into the Lifespring. WIth Aeris Dead, No one could use Holy but Sephiroth now because he was the Last Ancient, hence being not totally Jenova, he could stop its activation, Cloud however was lost in the LIfestream fro an extended period of time which eventually his couls became infused with Aeris's soul(remember her soul crossed over into the Lifestream) giving him the ability to use Holy on the Spiritual Level and making him Sephiroth's Opposite. Because Sephiroth had a stronger connection to the Holy Materia. Cloud could not use Holy till Sephiroth's soul was not strong enough to stop him from doing so. It also gives Aeris a way to semi communicate with the group. Once Sephiroth was defeated, his soul or his essence if you wanna call it is split apart, not destroying his soul but seperating it. This would make it so cloud could activate the Holy through the soul of Aeris who is at this point(by this theory) within him. now it was too late to stop Meteor completely, but it managed to reduce the damage, by Fusing with meteor as it was crashing, reducing its power, and creating a barrier to limit the damage.

the SHM:
Hojo having survived found a way using children to revive Sephiroth, by using a childs connection to the life stream, he found a way to put enough Geostigma into three kids to make NEER copies of Sephiroth(hence why the SHM are obedient to him, they are three parts perhaps 4, hence why they might want Marlene or the other child Character who already has Geostigma) they want to get the last child, and bring Sephiroth back into being. That also explains why each one of the three SHM are seperate parts of what seem like they should be one whole. You are Never given Confirmation of Hojo's Death, yes you defeated him in battle, but you Killed Jenova HOW MANY TIMES?? He ahd Jenova cells in him and that could make it possible for him to survive. To try and finish his plan, Make Meteor have full impact, and then Sephiroth would become a god. But Cloud having been connected to Aeris, would have to be removed from the Picture, hence why the SHM attack him and his friends. In the last boss battles in FF7 you had party members with you, save for the very last one, so each one of the SHM(you had three party members total remember) would be able to to team up on the Avalanche members one at a time(or try to) in order to take them out so there really would be no one to use Holy to Stop Meteor.

The only other thing i can think of is the flower petals in the church scene with tifa. That one would probably be because Tifa leaped into the Lifestream with cloud and Aeris then was able to semi Infuse herself with Tifa as well, which would explain why that particular SHM would be going after just her. Because she could technically use Holy to stop Meteor. But that makes Tifa a prime target for the SHM and puts Marlene in danger which is why she says for Barret is it? To take care of her because she no longer can, it would be dangerous for Marlene to Be Around TIfa.

Ok thats all im sorry its a WHOLE WHOLE lot to take in but thats my theory. Thanks smile
Entry No: 2364, Submitted by: Enix Krynvalus

I've seen trailers of it and read the translations for the magazines. It looks so good! I can't wait for it to come out! xp

yup, its gonna be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet! blaugh

Yeah I hope so but if it dosent im working for the money so i can buy the two things

I also read thru that theory... and I have this to say - Sephiroth and Aeris cannot be siblings because Aeris' parents were Dr Gast and Ifalna scream stressed You'd know this if you watched the tapes in Icicle Inn. What made that person think that those two were siblings? Their hairstyles? I'm sorry but that's just silly.

really? I didn't hear that

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