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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:20 pm


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The main disadvantage like I said is air.

The main disadvantage of a civilian army is that a trained military force is simply better.


Better at conventional warfare.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:23 pm


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The main disadvantage like I said is air.

The main disadvantage of a civilian army is that a trained military force is simply better.


Better at conventional warfare.

The reason why a gurella war could work is because the invading army follows UN rules and guidelines. We would have won Vietnam and Iraq if we committed genocide. They can be as unconventional as they want to.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:41 am


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The main disadvantage like I said is air.

The main disadvantage of a civilian army is that a trained military force is simply better.


Better at conventional warfare.

The reason why a gurella war could work is because the invading army follows UN rules and guidelines. We would have won Vietnam and Iraq if we committed genocide. They can be as unconventional as they want to.
We would have won Vietnam and Iraq if they wanted us to. It wouldn't be an invading army here it would be security forces and they'd be under their own rules.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:23 pm


God Emperor Akhenaton
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The main disadvantage like I said is air.

The main disadvantage of a civilian army is that a trained military force is simply better.


Better at conventional warfare.

The reason why a gurella war could work is because the invading army follows UN rules and guidelines. We would have won Vietnam and Iraq if we committed genocide. They can be as unconventional as they want to.


But they would still be following the conventions of warfare as they apply to a large military force. Formations, long chain of command, etc. Organization depends on those factors and the larger the force, the more bureaucracy there is. None of that depends on whether they use bullets, chlorine gas, or napalm; it's a necessity for any kind of campaign.

An out-dated example of what I'm trying to convey would be the Revolutionary War. The British fought via the conventions of the day, lined up trading volleys. The American Colonists hid in the bushes, sniped the officers, and generally didn't have to put up with the same rules imposed by formal military affiliation.

And of course, all of this assumes that when the call comes to exterminate American citizens there won't be desertion and rebellion in the ranks. When you become a soldier you take an oath to defend the United States Constitution no matter what; I think it'll be hard to get American soldiers to turn on citizens. It would have to be a force that's not affiliated and not bound by oath. I doubt even U.N. troops would do something like that.

So, that leaves mercenaries, right? I question how many mercenaries could be employed and reliably commanded. Just look at the ******** that is (was) Black Water.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:12 am


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The main disadvantage like I said is air.

The main disadvantage of a civilian army is that a trained military force is simply better.


Better at conventional warfare.

The reason why a gurella war could work is because the invading army follows UN rules and guidelines. We would have won Vietnam and Iraq if we committed genocide. They can be as unconventional as they want to.


But they would still be following the conventions of warfare as they apply to a large military force. Formations, long chain of command, etc. Organization depends on those factors and the larger the force, the more bureaucracy there is. None of that depends on whether they use bullets, chlorine gas, or napalm; it's a necessity for any kind of campaign.

An out-dated example of what I'm trying to convey would be the Revolutionary War. The British fought via the conventions of the day, lined up trading volleys. The American Colonists hid in the bushes, sniped the officers, and generally didn't have to put up with the same rules imposed by formal military affiliation.

And of course, all of this assumes that when the call comes to exterminate American citizens there won't be desertion and rebellion in the ranks. When you become a soldier you take an oath to defend the United States Constitution no matter what; I think it'll be hard to get American soldiers to turn on citizens. It would have to be a force that's not affiliated and not bound by oath. I doubt even U.N. troops would do something like that.

So, that leaves mercenaries, right? I question how many mercenaries could be employed and reliably commanded. Just look at the ******** that is (was) Black Water.
What about our common police force rapping the constitution everyday? I even asked some new recruits about it and they said they're there to take orders. Most of these soldiers don't even know what's in the constitution! You think they're letting in troops that are smart now? The dumb asses are the ones with guns and the more intelligent ones are behind desks just analizing and not seeing battle. For all the smart ones will know the ground troops are just stopping riots. (The Army's intelligence location is in Hawaii)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:26 pm


Azkeel
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God Emperor Akhenaton
Obscurus
God Emperor Akhenaton
Azkeel
The main disadvantage like I said is air.

The main disadvantage of a civilian army is that a trained military force is simply better.


Better at conventional warfare.

The reason why a gurella war could work is because the invading army follows UN rules and guidelines. We would have won Vietnam and Iraq if we committed genocide. They can be as unconventional as they want to.


But they would still be following the conventions of warfare as they apply to a large military force. Formations, long chain of command, etc. Organization depends on those factors and the larger the force, the more bureaucracy there is. None of that depends on whether they use bullets, chlorine gas, or napalm; it's a necessity for any kind of campaign.

An out-dated example of what I'm trying to convey would be the Revolutionary War. The British fought via the conventions of the day, lined up trading volleys. The American Colonists hid in the bushes, sniped the officers, and generally didn't have to put up with the same rules imposed by formal military affiliation.

And of course, all of this assumes that when the call comes to exterminate American citizens there won't be desertion and rebellion in the ranks. When you become a soldier you take an oath to defend the United States Constitution no matter what; I think it'll be hard to get American soldiers to turn on citizens. It would have to be a force that's not affiliated and not bound by oath. I doubt even U.N. troops would do something like that.

So, that leaves mercenaries, right? I question how many mercenaries could be employed and reliably commanded. Just look at the ******** that is (was) Black Water.
What about our common police force rapping the constitution everyday? I even asked some new recruits about it and they said they're there to take orders. Most of these soldiers don't even know what's in the constitution! You think they're letting in troops that are smart now? The dumb asses are the ones with guns and the more intelligent ones are behind desks just analizing and not seeing battle. For all the smart ones will know the ground troops are just stopping riots. (The Army's intelligence location is in Hawaii)


Do you really think that American soldiers will have no qualms about gunning down American citizens? It's one thing to kill foreigners in a foreign land; it's entirely different to fire on the people you've sworn to protect, no matter how dumb you may be.

Take it from someone that almost joined the Army: It's harder to get into the military than you think, especially if you join a service other than the Army or the Marines. They don't just let in every violent criminal or rampant dumbass.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:35 pm


Obscurus
An out-dated example of what I'm trying to convey would be the Revolutionary War. The British fought via the conventions of the day, lined up trading volleys. The American Colonists hid in the bushes, sniped the officers, and generally didn't have to put up with the same rules imposed by formal military affiliation.

You're forgetting something. The revolutionaries had the home field advanage, England did not.

Obscurus
And of course, all of this assumes that when the call comes to exterminate American citizens there won't be desertion and rebellion in the ranks. When you become a soldier you take an oath to defend the United States Constitution no matter what; I think it'll be hard to get American soldiers to turn on citizens. It would have to be a force that's not affiliated and not bound by oath. I doubt even U.N. troops would do something like that.

You're forgetting something (again). All it takes is for one person with enough of a skill at leading people to tell people whatever the hell he wants them to do in order for them to do it. In history, they were able to create genocide, convince people to kill their kids, have them abandon their religion and do things many people would never think of supporting, but at the same time, people under leadership follow without question, no matter what they are told.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:58 pm


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Better at conventional warfare.

The reason why a gurella war could work is because the invading army follows UN rules and guidelines. We would have won Vietnam and Iraq if we committed genocide. They can be as unconventional as they want to.


But they would still be following the conventions of warfare as they apply to a large military force. Formations, long chain of command, etc. Organization depends on those factors and the larger the force, the more bureaucracy there is. None of that depends on whether they use bullets, chlorine gas, or napalm; it's a necessity for any kind of campaign.

An out-dated example of what I'm trying to convey would be the Revolutionary War. The British fought via the conventions of the day, lined up trading volleys. The American Colonists hid in the bushes, sniped the officers, and generally didn't have to put up with the same rules imposed by formal military affiliation.

And of course, all of this assumes that when the call comes to exterminate American citizens there won't be desertion and rebellion in the ranks. When you become a soldier you take an oath to defend the United States Constitution no matter what; I think it'll be hard to get American soldiers to turn on citizens. It would have to be a force that's not affiliated and not bound by oath. I doubt even U.N. troops would do something like that.

So, that leaves mercenaries, right? I question how many mercenaries could be employed and reliably commanded. Just look at the ******** that is (was) Black Water.
What about our common police force rapping the constitution everyday? I even asked some new recruits about it and they said they're there to take orders. Most of these soldiers don't even know what's in the constitution! You think they're letting in troops that are smart now? The dumb asses are the ones with guns and the more intelligent ones are behind desks just analizing and not seeing battle. For all the smart ones will know the ground troops are just stopping riots. (The Army's intelligence location is in Hawaii)


Do you really think that American soldiers will have no qualms about gunning down American citizens? It's one thing to kill foreigners in a foreign land; it's entirely different to fire on the people you've sworn to protect, no matter how dumb you may be.

Take it from someone that almost joined the Army: It's harder to get into the military than you think, especially if you join a service other than the Army or the Marines. They don't just let in every violent criminal or rampant dumbass.
I almost joined the army as well. I was in Civil Air Patrol as well as a Jr. ROTC back in the day. I dunno I doubt the military will make the first noticable strike anyways. They wouldn't have to fire upon americans. They'd go around collecting the unsavory's and if that starts a revolution now the army is just quelling a revolution. So they wouldn't be fireing on Americans in the sense they are "Unprovoked".

A bunch of desenters disapeer in the night. If that get's people up then those people that get up will be quelled. So on and so forth. They can say anyone is an unsavory too. Not like the military won't lie to it's troops about the people they collect.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:16 pm


depends, if your talking about some guy at the airport patting me down then no, but if you mean putting me in a camp or putting a chip in my forhead then yes
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:48 pm


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Obscurus
An out-dated example of what I'm trying to convey would be the Revolutionary War. The British fought via the conventions of the day, lined up trading volleys. The American Colonists hid in the bushes, sniped the officers, and generally didn't have to put up with the same rules imposed by formal military affiliation.

You're forgetting something. The revolutionaries had the home field advanage, England did not.

Obscurus
And of course, all of this assumes that when the call comes to exterminate American citizens there won't be desertion and rebellion in the ranks. When you become a soldier you take an oath to defend the United States Constitution no matter what; I think it'll be hard to get American soldiers to turn on citizens. It would have to be a force that's not affiliated and not bound by oath. I doubt even U.N. troops would do something like that.

You're forgetting something (again). All it takes is for one person with enough of a skill at leading people to tell people whatever the hell he wants them to do in order for them to do it. In history, they were able to create genocide, convince people to kill their kids, have them abandon their religion and do things many people would never think of supporting, but at the same time, people under leadership follow without question, no matter what they are told.


An army moving into an area and facing the people that live in that area would not have the home advantage, whether it's the US military or not. An army of Texans facing an Ohio resistance would still be at a disadvantage when invading Ohio.

That one person has to come to power. That whole issue is a lot more complex then just standing up and saying "Everyone listen to ME!" I would think that a New World Order would be hesitant to instate someone like that as he (or she) could just as easily turn against them once placed in power.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:50 pm


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Better at conventional warfare.

The reason why a gurella war could work is because the invading army follows UN rules and guidelines. We would have won Vietnam and Iraq if we committed genocide. They can be as unconventional as they want to.


But they would still be following the conventions of warfare as they apply to a large military force. Formations, long chain of command, etc. Organization depends on those factors and the larger the force, the more bureaucracy there is. None of that depends on whether they use bullets, chlorine gas, or napalm; it's a necessity for any kind of campaign.

An out-dated example of what I'm trying to convey would be the Revolutionary War. The British fought via the conventions of the day, lined up trading volleys. The American Colonists hid in the bushes, sniped the officers, and generally didn't have to put up with the same rules imposed by formal military affiliation.

And of course, all of this assumes that when the call comes to exterminate American citizens there won't be desertion and rebellion in the ranks. When you become a soldier you take an oath to defend the United States Constitution no matter what; I think it'll be hard to get American soldiers to turn on citizens. It would have to be a force that's not affiliated and not bound by oath. I doubt even U.N. troops would do something like that.

So, that leaves mercenaries, right? I question how many mercenaries could be employed and reliably commanded. Just look at the ******** that is (was) Black Water.
What about our common police force rapping the constitution everyday? I even asked some new recruits about it and they said they're there to take orders. Most of these soldiers don't even know what's in the constitution! You think they're letting in troops that are smart now? The dumb asses are the ones with guns and the more intelligent ones are behind desks just analizing and not seeing battle. For all the smart ones will know the ground troops are just stopping riots. (The Army's intelligence location is in Hawaii)


Do you really think that American soldiers will have no qualms about gunning down American citizens? It's one thing to kill foreigners in a foreign land; it's entirely different to fire on the people you've sworn to protect, no matter how dumb you may be.

Take it from someone that almost joined the Army: It's harder to get into the military than you think, especially if you join a service other than the Army or the Marines. They don't just let in every violent criminal or rampant dumbass.
I almost joined the army as well. I was in Civil Air Patrol as well as a Jr. ROTC back in the day. I dunno I doubt the military will make the first noticable strike anyways. They wouldn't have to fire upon americans. They'd go around collecting the unsavory's and if that starts a revolution now the army is just quelling a revolution. So they wouldn't be fireing on Americans in the sense they are "Unprovoked".

A bunch of desenters disapeer in the night. If that get's people up then those people that get up will be quelled. So on and so forth. They can say anyone is an unsavory too. Not like the military won't lie to it's troops about the people they collect.


The intelligence services would be better suited to that kind of thing than the military would be. I doubt the military would be used to do anything but enforce curfews and provide security checkpoints in the event of martial law.
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