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 Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:14 pm
Lost Journeyer DaikonNairu -Ren- Lost Journeyer ...as the saying goes, "save the best for last" I would hardly call humanity one of the "best" creations. We're more like a terrible mistake. We're not a terrible mistake, we just have free will We are prone to disease and break easily, re-production for us costs a great deal of energy and is often damaging and sometimes fatal to the woman. Our erect posture makes us slow moving, we're less muscular than other animals, slower too. We lack fur to keep us warm in colder climates... Shall I go on? If in fact we were created, it was a very poor design and a very bad designer.
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:21 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- Akira Wolfguard I really can not for the life of me figure out how naive you guys really are *Sigh* How so? I'm not going to say, you'll just have to figure that out for yourself
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:31 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- Lost Journeyer DaikonNairu -Ren- Lost Journeyer ...as the saying goes, "save the best for last" I would hardly call humanity one of the "best" creations. We're more like a terrible mistake. We're not a terrible mistake, we just have free will We are prone to disease and break easily, re-production for us costs a great deal of energy and is often damaging and sometimes fatal to the woman. Our erect posture makes us slow moving, we're less muscular than other animals, slower too. We lack fur to keep us warm in colder climates... Shall I go on? If in fact we were created, it was a very poor design and a very bad designer. We are the most intelligent being on the planet, we can make medicine, we can contemplate our own existence, we can use tools, we can build civilizations, shall I go on?
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:15 am
Lost Journeyer DaikonNairu -Ren- Lost Journeyer DaikonNairu -Ren- Lost Journeyer ...as the saying goes, "save the best for last" I would hardly call humanity one of the "best" creations. We're more like a terrible mistake. We're not a terrible mistake, we just have free will We are prone to disease and break easily, re-production for us costs a great deal of energy and is often damaging and sometimes fatal to the woman. Our erect posture makes us slow moving, we're less muscular than other animals, slower too. We lack fur to keep us warm in colder climates... Shall I go on? If in fact we were created, it was a very poor design and a very bad designer. We are the most intelligent being on the planet, we can make medicine, we can contemplate our own existence, we can use tools, we can build civilizations, shall I go on? That does not change the fact that our bodies are poorly designed. What's the point of having a computer with an awesome operating system if it breaks at the slightest tap of the keys?
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:18 am
Quote: We are prone to disease and break easily, re-production for us costs a great deal of energy and is often damaging and sometimes fatal to the woman. Our erect posture makes us slow moving, we're less muscular than other animals, slower too. We lack fur to keep us warm in colder climates... Shall I go on? If in fact we were created, it was a very poor design and a very bad designer. Well actually, there are more deliveries that are successful to both mother and child than there are that fail. Women who have children are at lower risks of cancer, especially any female oriented kind. There are also many hormonal benefits (after everything balances post prego). We also have opposable thumbs, language, and as previously stated, we have the ability to create ways to fight and prevent disease. We are the only creatures on Earth that have made it to space. We may have less mass, not be so fast, and not have fur (well, most of us anyway), but we more than make up for it. We are the only species on Earth that is found everywhere on the face of the planet, from Mt. Everest, in the Sahara, and we have even been into the Oceans. I don't know of any other species on Earth that is contemplating colonizing another planetary body. Some people find this all very disturbing, but anyway that anyone looks at it, you can't really deny that we are the most versatile species on our planet. I definitely concur with Lost Journeyer.
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:29 am
DaikonNairu -Ren- That does not change the fact that our bodies are poorly designed. What's the point of having a computer with an awesome operating system if it breaks at the slightest tap of the keys? Our bodies are only bad because of the generations of not using them, our bodies actually have a great system to adapt, when you work out do you know what you're really doing? You're tearing your flesh, after you rest and it heals itself it heals itself stronger so it can do the same amount of work faster. The human body is a computer that has an awesome operating system and when you tap the keys they do break, but a day later they fix themselves. And now it takes a smack to break them, again a day later it takes a hammer to break the keys, it goes on. This is an extreme example simply for the fact that you used an extreme example.
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:41 am
DaikonNairu -Ren- we're less muscular than other animals, I beg to differ did you know that humans can actually cut stone with there bare hands
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:37 am
Lost Journeyer DaikonNairu -Ren- That does not change the fact that our bodies are poorly designed. What's the point of having a computer with an awesome operating system if it breaks at the slightest tap of the keys? Our bodies are only bad because of the generations of not using them, our bodies actually have a great system to adapt, when you work out do you know what you're really doing? You're tearing your flesh, after you rest and it heals itself it heals itself stronger so it can do the same amount of work faster. The human body is a computer that has an awesome operating system and when you tap the keys they do break, but a day later they fix themselves. And now it takes a smack to break them, again a day later it takes a hammer to break the keys, it goes on. This is an extreme example simply for the fact that you used an extreme example. Wow! I really like that metaphor Journeyer. biggrin
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:00 pm
Eltanin Sadachbia Lost Journeyer DaikonNairu -Ren- That does not change the fact that our bodies are poorly designed. What's the point of having a computer with an awesome operating system if it breaks at the slightest tap of the keys? Our bodies are only bad because of the generations of not using them, our bodies actually have a great system to adapt, when you work out do you know what you're really doing? You're tearing your flesh, after you rest and it heals itself it heals itself stronger so it can do the same amount of work faster. The human body is a computer that has an awesome operating system and when you tap the keys they do break, but a day later they fix themselves. And now it takes a smack to break them, again a day later it takes a hammer to break the keys, it goes on. This is an extreme example simply for the fact that you used an extreme example. Wow! I really like that metaphor Journeyer. biggrin If you've ever watched DBZ, a saiyan is just an exaggerated human, the more they get beat up, the stronger they become.
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:05 pm
Lost Journeyer Revelation 12:3.b-4.a 3.b Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. 4.a His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.(NIV) Revelation 12:7-9 7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.(NIV) Satan fell, and took a third of the angels in heaven with him, almost all other references to Satan and his followers call them demons instead of angels. But Revelations is a story of the end times, so it hasn't happened yet. If Satan hasn't rebelled yet, then why are there still demons? Lost Journeyer Genesis 1:26-28 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."(NIV) Humanity is God's prized creation because we were created to rule over everything else, the other 5 days of creation were all leading up to his final creation, as the saying goes, "save the best for last" Genesis, first of all, is not literal. It doesn't matter what you believe, Genesis is still skewed by human understanding and human arrogance. There is no way to know whether we're God's prized creation, we can only assume.
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:23 pm
This has kind of gotten away from the main topic, but is still a good debate.
I am more on Daikons side. Look at us compared to animals. Take away our technology. Look what happened in Haiti when the earthquake hit. The started to beg for food from us. There were Navy shooting at boats that were trying to board the U.S. ships. They could not do anything for themselves. Weren't there any famrs anywhere? Any livestock? Why couldn't they go hunt and rebuild their community with their own resources? I believe it is because they have become lazy. We send missionaries to these poverished countries and they just sit there watching the missionaries do the work. I know that this is what happens. Everyone in my family has done missinary work. And when Katrina hit. Those family used the government. They didn't tryo to rebuild themselves.
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:27 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- Lost Journeyer ...as the saying goes, "save the best for last" I would hardly call humanity one of the "best" creations. We're more like a terrible mistake. How are we a terrible mistake? That's basically calling God a stupid idiot.
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:30 pm
Someoneiknow DaikonNairu -Ren- Lost Journeyer ...as the saying goes, "save the best for last" I would hardly call humanity one of the "best" creations. We're more like a terrible mistake. How are we a terrible mistake? That's basically calling God a stupid idiot.
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:30 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- Lost Journeyer DaikonNairu -Ren- Lost Journeyer DaikonNairu -Ren- Lost Journeyer ...as the saying goes, "save the best for last" I would hardly call humanity one of the "best" creations. We're more like a terrible mistake. We're not a terrible mistake, we just have free will We are prone to disease and break easily, re-production for us costs a great deal of energy and is often damaging and sometimes fatal to the woman. Our erect posture makes us slow moving, we're less muscular than other animals, slower too. We lack fur to keep us warm in colder climates... Shall I go on? If in fact we were created, it was a very poor design and a very bad designer. We are the most intelligent being on the planet, we can make medicine, we can contemplate our own existence, we can use tools, we can build civilizations, shall I go on? That does not change the fact that our bodies are poorly designed. What's the point of having a computer with an awesome operating system if it breaks at the slightest tap of the keys? We weren't built to be the best of the best. We were built to build. To create, and to explore. We understand our own existence better than any other living thing on the earth. How is that such a negative thing? You're only providing a narrow point of view on humans existence. You have to judge from all of our traits, not just the fact that we can get sick on occasion.
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:46 pm
Demonic Possession... I don't know if it exists but I do believe in demonic oppression.
Demonic Oppression is when the demon can't really get a hold on you so it gives you bad thoughts and pushes you to end your life. Suicide is supposed to keep you out of heaven.
Possession is the final stage because a persons soul is basically being controlled by the demon. I'm not sure how thats religiously possible, but I suppose if the demon gives the oppressed person thoughts to make the persons personality similar to the demon, then the person would be the demon. As for remote controlling humans, it seems doubtful.
Another interesting fact is stage hypnosis. When a person believes they're supposed to act a certain way when something happens their mind tricks them and they do. This can create seizures and stuff during an exorcism if the person truly believes they're possessed. (a placebo gone horribly wrong) Look up possession on Youtube and you can see what it looks like. It's mostly seizures and vomiting.
In summery I do believe in demonic oppression, but when it comes to possession I don't.
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