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 Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:43 pm
Ecclesiastes 3
A Time for Everything
1 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:
2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain,
6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.
- Definatley works both ways
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:51 pm
The worst arguments i have heard from pro-lifers:
1. "I bet you're glad your mother was pro-life" - My mother was, and still is, pro-choice. She chose to have me.
2.Assuming that pro-choice is the same as thinking abortion is the solution to everypregnancy - Although pro-choice condones abortion, (under varying circumstances depending on which pro choicer you talk to) it does not suggest abortion as the preferable action. Pro-choice is about an individuals right to *choose* whether they should carry a pregnancy to term or not. Don't forget, not all unplanned pregnancies are stupid young women who couldn't be bothered to use contraception.
3.You can always adopt - Remember kids...adoption is a cure for an unwanted child, not an unwanted pregnancy.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:15 pm
pro-abortion is by definition favoring the legalization of abortion.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:07 pm
lymelady pro-abortion is by definition favoring the legalization of abortion. It's truly a matter of semantics. pro-abortion left alone without any qualifiers is pro-abortion at any time of the pregnancy for any reason... which most pro-choicers are not. There are very few people ok with abortion at all times of a pregnancy. Just like pro-life without any qualifiers is pro-all forms of life no matter what species they are. Of course it would be rediculous to say the two sides of debate are: pro-fetal-life-where-the-woman's-life-is-not-in-danger/anti-choice-for-elective-abortion-where-the-woman's-life-is-not-in-danger versus pro-choice-for-elective-abortion-whenever-a-woman-wants-up-until-viability/anti-fetal-life-up-until-viability/pro-abortionwhenever-a-woman-wants-one-up-until-viability u.u;
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:39 am
Talon-chan lymelady pro-abortion is by definition favoring the legalization of abortion. It's truly a matter of semantics. pro-abortion left alone without any qualifiers is pro-abortion at any time of the pregnancy for any reason... which most pro-choicers are not. There are very few people ok with abortion at all times of a pregnancy. Just like pro-life without any qualifiers is pro-all forms of life no matter what species they are. Of course it would be rediculous to say the two sides of debate are: pro-fetal-life-where-the-woman's-life-is-not-in-danger/anti-choice-for-elective-abortion-where-the-woman's-life-is-not-in-danger versus pro-choice-for-elective-abortion-whenever-a-woman-wants-up-until-viability/anti-fetal-life-up-until-viability/pro-abortionwhenever-a-woman-wants-one-up-until-viability u.u; Which is exactly why Pro-Abortion means for the legalization of abortion, whereas Pro-Abortion without qualifiers would mean that you want everyone to have an abortion.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:28 am
Eeowynn Ecclesiastes 3 A Time for Everything 1 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven: 2 a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, 3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, 4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, 5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain, 6 a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, 7 a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, 8 a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace. - Definatley works both ways
I thought it was the pro-choicers who are always telling pro-lifers not to use the bible?
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:54 am
Mcphee Eeowynn Ecclesiastes 3 A Time for Everything 1 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven: 2 a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, 3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, 4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, 5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain, 6 a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, 7 a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, 8 a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace. - Definatley works both ways
I thought it was the pro-choicers who are always telling pro-lifers not to use the bible?They tell them not to use it because as it can be used both ways it is a wasted argument 3nodding My point was to highlight the fact that the bible can be used in support and defence in abortion.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:58 am
Eeowynn Mcphee Eeowynn Ecclesiastes 3 A Time for Everything 1 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven: 2 a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, 3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, 4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, 5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain, 6 a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, 7 a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, 8 a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace. - Definatley works both ways
I thought it was the pro-choicers who are always telling pro-lifers not to use the bible?They tell them not to use it because as it can be used both ways it is a wasted argument 3nodding My point was to highlight the fact that the bible can be used in support and defence in abortion. Sure, when its taken out of context.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:24 am
So you're suggesting that people shouldn't use the term given by the dictionary? Pro-abortion means favoring the legalization of abortion. Isn't that what pro-choice people do?
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:26 am
Pyrotechnic Oracle Eeowynn They tell them not to use it because as it can be used both ways it is a wasted argument 3nodding My point was to highlight the fact that the bible can be used in support and defence in abortion. Sure, when its taken out of context. Ditto. That says "Time to kill" not "Time to abort" or "Time to kill your young ones." It's pretty obvious to me that the killing it is talking about is killing in war, whether to defend your country or spread it's growth. Not to mention that, if you are arguing against Christian Pro-Lifers, the Old Testament isn't quite as solid as the New Testament, because Jesus changed a lot of the rules, and I don't believe you will see any of that stuff in the New Testament.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:18 am
I.Am ...That says "Time to kill" not "Time to abort" or "Time to kill your young ones." It's pretty obvious to me that the killing it is talking about is killing in war, whether to defend your country or spread it's growth...
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:31 am
Akshamala I.Am ...That says "Time to kill" not "Time to abort" or "Time to kill your young ones." It's pretty obvious to me that the killing it is talking about is killing in war, whether to defend your country or spread it's growth...
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:33 am
Beware the Jabberwock Akshamala I.Am ...That says "Time to kill" not "Time to abort" or "Time to kill your young ones." It's pretty obvious to me that the killing it is talking about is killing in war, whether to defend your country or spread it's growth... Quiet you, or I'll sic Stephen Harper on you.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:36 am
I.Am Pyrotechnic Oracle Eeowynn They tell them not to use it because as it can be used both ways it is a wasted argument 3nodding My point was to highlight the fact that the bible can be used in support and defence in abortion. Sure, when its taken out of context. Ditto. That says "Time to kill" not "Time to abort" or "Time to kill your young ones." It's pretty obvious to me that the killing it is talking about is killing in war, whether to defend your country or spread it's growth. Not to mention that, if you are arguing against Christian Pro-Lifers, the Old Testament isn't quite as solid as the New Testament, because Jesus changed a lot of the rules, and I don't believe you will see any of that stuff in the New Testament. The NT made it clear that "A time to kill" was over. "A time for peace." was set in its place. Christ spread a message of love. A message of living peacfuly with your neighbor and to hopefully one day take him in as your brother.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:47 am
Pyrotechnic Oracle I.Am Pyrotechnic Oracle Eeowynn They tell them not to use it because as it can be used both ways it is a wasted argument 3nodding My point was to highlight the fact that the bible can be used in support and defence in abortion. Sure, when its taken out of context. Ditto. That says "Time to kill" not "Time to abort" or "Time to kill your young ones." It's pretty obvious to me that the killing it is talking about is killing in war, whether to defend your country or spread it's growth. Not to mention that, if you are arguing against Christian Pro-Lifers, the Old Testament isn't quite as solid as the New Testament, because Jesus changed a lot of the rules, and I don't believe you will see any of that stuff in the New Testament. The NT made it clear that "A time to kill" was over. "A time for peace." was set in its place. Christ spread a message of love. A message of living peacfuly with your neighbor and to hopefully one day take him in as your brother. Yep. Pretty much. 3nodding
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