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 Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:56 pm
Psytrance??? Never heard of it =/
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:02 pm
Mamas boy28 Psytrance??? Never heard of it =/ I have a thread of it and a few other genres in the "other music" forum. But this is Psy Trance.
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:55 pm
I need more psytrance in my life.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:47 pm
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:17 am
Sampling music =/= harder than writing generic metal even.
I do like some electric music, but it doesn't mean I'm impressed by the talent. :f
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:16 pm
Seer Misconception Sampling music =/= harder than writing generic metal even. I do like some electric music, but it doesn't mean I'm impressed by the talent. :f More talent goes into electronic music then most Metal. Thats not to say all electronic music requires a lot of talent, but most of it does. I don't think you realize the talent needed to. Its kind of like creating music for an orchestra, and I'm sure you don't think that requires much talent do you? Most electronic artist do everything themselves, barely any Metal musicians do that, and the ones that do only maybe 1/5th of them sound remotely decent.
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:03 pm
That's a pretty broad statement to be making about a genre you don't seem to know much about. It's tantamount to someone saying "metal is stupid, it's just some talentless idiot screaming incoherently into a mic with the band trying to make as much noise as possible; no talent necessary."
As Digi said, many electronic artists operate solo in a manner similar to classical music composers. There's far, far more to the genre than writing a looping 4/4 beat and inserting a few samples here and there (okay, well maybe that might kind of summarize EBM). I'd like to see you claim that Richard James or Oliver Lieb aren't talented individuals.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:09 pm
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:12 am
Digital Malevolence Seer Misconception Sampling music =/= harder than writing generic metal even. I do like some electric music, but it doesn't mean I'm impressed by the talent. :f More talent goes into electronic music then most Metal. Thats not to say all electronic music requires a lot of talent, but most of it does. I don't think you realize the talent needed to. Its kind of like creating music for an orchestra, and I'm sure you don't think that requires much talent do you? Most electronic artist do everything themselves, barely any Metal musicians do that, and the ones that do only maybe 1/5th of them sound remotely decent. Actually I know exactly what it's like creating music for an orchestra, as the majority of my work is actually classical oriented work. I must have s**t sources, because the majority of songs I hear aren't 'done by themselves', they're samples and sounds taken or changed. And what do you mean, metal musicians don't make everything themselves? Unless you're talking about literally creating their instruments, amps, and the programs used to master within. I'm also fully aware of how to make this kind of music, and the struggles that face creating it. It seems less impressive to me, than writing orchestral in your context. I'm not saying it's talentless, by any means. You really don't have to get on the defensive the second somebody questions said music of choice.
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:52 am
Seer Misconception Digital Malevolence Seer Misconception Sampling music =/= harder than writing generic metal even. I do like some electric music, but it doesn't mean I'm impressed by the talent. :f More talent goes into electronic music then most Metal. Thats not to say all electronic music requires a lot of talent, but most of it does. I don't think you realize the talent needed to. Its kind of like creating music for an orchestra, and I'm sure you don't think that requires much talent do you? Most electronic artist do everything themselves, barely any Metal musicians do that, and the ones that do only maybe 1/5th of them sound remotely decent. Actually I know exactly what it's like creating music for an orchestra, as the majority of my work is actually classical oriented work. I must have s**t sources, because the majority of songs I hear aren't 'done by themselves', they're samples and sounds taken or changed. And what do you mean, metal musicians don't make everything themselves? Unless you're talking about literally creating their instruments, amps, and the programs used to master within. I'm also fully aware of how to make this kind of music, and the struggles that face creating it. It seems less impressive to me, than writing orchestral in your context. I'm not saying it's talentless, by any means. You really don't have to get on the defensive the second somebody questions said music of choice. I don't have to get defensive, but I do it anyways. Most electronic artist make the sounds themselves. Some even make their own synths. Samples are used, but most of the time their is few samples, except Psy-Trance which usually ends up using almost 100 samples and usually they are only used once. I meant Metal musicians don't make the whole songs themselves, as in every instrument, I'm not saying there isn't any though, I could name a few off the top of my head that do. There is so much more diversity in EDM then there is in Metal. Also, sampling takes a lot of talent aswell, and to prove my point, I'd really like you to listen to this song and tell me thats doesn't require more talent some generic Metal band like Killswitch Engage or newer Metallica: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3023656684625489073&ei=IvSAS9akA8mKlAe6pPCFAw&q=rocked+by+rape&hl=en#
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:58 am
Digital Malevolence Seer Misconception Digital Malevolence Seer Misconception Sampling music =/= harder than writing generic metal even. I do like some electric music, but it doesn't mean I'm impressed by the talent. :f More talent goes into electronic music then most Metal. Thats not to say all electronic music requires a lot of talent, but most of it does. I don't think you realize the talent needed to. Its kind of like creating music for an orchestra, and I'm sure you don't think that requires much talent do you? Most electronic artist do everything themselves, barely any Metal musicians do that, and the ones that do only maybe 1/5th of them sound remotely decent. Actually I know exactly what it's like creating music for an orchestra, as the majority of my work is actually classical oriented work. I must have s**t sources, because the majority of songs I hear aren't 'done by themselves', they're samples and sounds taken or changed. And what do you mean, metal musicians don't make everything themselves? Unless you're talking about literally creating their instruments, amps, and the programs used to master within. I'm also fully aware of how to make this kind of music, and the struggles that face creating it. It seems less impressive to me, than writing orchestral in your context. I'm not saying it's talentless, by any means. You really don't have to get on the defensive the second somebody questions said music of choice. I don't have to get defensive, but I do it anyways. Most electronic artist make the sounds themselves. Some even make their own synths. Samples are used, but most of the time their is few samples, except Psy-Trance which usually ends up using almost 100 samples and usually they are only used once. I meant Metal musicians don't make the whole songs themselves, as in every instrument, I'm not saying there isn't any though, I could name a few off the top of my head that do. There is so much more diversity in EDM then there is in Metal. Also, sampling takes a lot of talent aswell, and to prove my point, I'd really like you to listen to this song and tell me thats doesn't require more talent some generic Metal band like Killswitch Engage or newer Metallica: ]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3023656684625489073&ei=IvSAS9akA8mKlAe6pPCFAw&q=rocked+by+rape&hl=en#I'm really confused why you're holding the fact that musicians don't create their own instruments against my argument here. |: It's like saying writers don't make their own pens, artists don't make their own paint (granted, some do), engineers don't make their own wrenches, racers don't make their own cars, etc. Also Killswitch Engage or newer Metallica is a terrible example of metal to be using in this circumstance; like there is s**t EDM, of course there is s**t Metal. It's also a different kind of talent, that link you posted is more like a game than creating music. The process of making it anyway.
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:49 pm
While this whole debate is lovely and all, I'd still like to know what it was that Hollow had in mind.
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:44 pm
Seer Misconception Digital Malevolence Seer Misconception Digital Malevolence Seer Misconception Sampling music =/= harder than writing generic metal even. I do like some electric music, but it doesn't mean I'm impressed by the talent. :f More talent goes into electronic music then most Metal. Thats not to say all electronic music requires a lot of talent, but most of it does. I don't think you realize the talent needed to. Its kind of like creating music for an orchestra, and I'm sure you don't think that requires much talent do you? Most electronic artist do everything themselves, barely any Metal musicians do that, and the ones that do only maybe 1/5th of them sound remotely decent. Actually I know exactly what it's like creating music for an orchestra, as the majority of my work is actually classical oriented work. I must have s**t sources, because the majority of songs I hear aren't 'done by themselves', they're samples and sounds taken or changed. And what do you mean, metal musicians don't make everything themselves? Unless you're talking about literally creating their instruments, amps, and the programs used to master within. I'm also fully aware of how to make this kind of music, and the struggles that face creating it. It seems less impressive to me, than writing orchestral in your context. I'm not saying it's talentless, by any means. You really don't have to get on the defensive the second somebody questions said music of choice. I don't have to get defensive, but I do it anyways. Most electronic artist make the sounds themselves. Some even make their own synths. Samples are used, but most of the time their is few samples, except Psy-Trance which usually ends up using almost 100 samples and usually they are only used once. I meant Metal musicians don't make the whole songs themselves, as in every instrument, I'm not saying there isn't any though, I could name a few off the top of my head that do. There is so much more diversity in EDM then there is in Metal. Also, sampling takes a lot of talent aswell, and to prove my point, I'd really like you to listen to this song and tell me thats doesn't require more talent some generic Metal band like Killswitch Engage or newer Metallica: ]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3023656684625489073&ei=IvSAS9akA8mKlAe6pPCFAw&q=rocked+by+rape&hl=en#I'm really confused why you're holding the fact that musicians don't create their own instruments against my argument here. |: It's like saying writers don't make their own pens, artists don't make their own paint (granted, some do), engineers don't make their own wrenches, racers don't make their own cars, etc. Also Killswitch Engage or newer Metallica is a terrible example of metal to be using in this circumstance; like there is s**t EDM, of course there is s**t Metal. It's also a different kind of talent, that link you posted is more like a game than creating music. The process of making it anyway.I give up, this is something I think we'll just never agree on. So, agree to disagree. 3nodding Edit: I'm also still really curious as to what genre Hollow was talking about.
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:58 am
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:42 pm
I think its one of those things we'll never find out.
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