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 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:48 am
If you're against national ID cards for whatever reason, the simple solution isn't to be against Government Healthcare, it's to be against national ID cards.
The USA has had Government Healthcare for YEARS! It's called MEDICARE! All that has been done is expanding it to cover more people, in this case, the poor. Damned right-wing Americans wouldn't let it be expanded to EVERYONE, no, that would be COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM! We must follow LAISSEZ-FAIRE (sp?) capitalism, or else we're all doomed!
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:42 pm
Sciamancer If you're against national ID cards for whatever reason, the simple solution isn't to be against Government Healthcare, it's to be against national ID cards. The USA has had Government Healthcare for YEARS! It's called MEDICARE! All that has been done is expanding it to cover more people, in this case, the poor. Damned right-wing Americans wouldn't let it be expanded to EVERYONE, no, that would be COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM! We must follow LAISSEZ-FAIRE (sp?) capitalism, or else we're all doomed! This. All the morons crying socialism need to forfeit their Social Security, their Medicare, their Medicaid, and stop using public roads and services. That or they need to just STFU.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:18 pm
StarCraft Ghost It's either pay for health care or get arrested. Isn't that fun?
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:23 pm
You know, I argued with some girl until my face was red, because she stated that only those who work should be entitled to health care. Ummm...not everyone can work. I wonder if she had ever heard of cerebral palsy. She then went on to tell me that Jesus has a lot harsher words than what she said...um...since when did Jesus advise against sharing?
Even if someone is just lazing about and popping out kids, I believe that everyone should be entitled to health care...and if anyone says that they shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them, I'd love to say that if they believe that than they should fight for the right for a woman to have an abortion.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:40 pm
Last Lady Amalthea You know, I argued with some girl until my face was red, because she stated that only those who work should be entitled to health care. Ummm...not everyone can work. I wonder if she had ever heard of cerebral palsy. She then went on to tell me that Jesus has a lot harsher words than what she said...um...since when did Jesus advise against sharing? Even if someone is just lazing about and popping out kids, I believe that everyone should be entitled to health care...and if anyone says that they shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them, I'd love to say that if they believe that than they should fight for the right for a woman to have an abortion.
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Also, to the OP, I don't really see the problem with Health-care.
The only thing I see is the National ID card and I find it funny how it has your DNA and is microchipped. >w>
Microchips don't exist enough to just be invisible, there are certain circuits and power that needs to be supplied to the chip for it to work. Not to mention the size needed can easily be found, and would cause controversy everywhere.
But that's besides the point, how did microchipping relate to this healthcare bill in the first place? The only relation I read had to deal with the racial profiling in Arizona, but it's not a large enough issue to do something that national nor would national IDs be made because of illegal aliens.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:36 pm
Obscurus Sciamancer If you're against national ID cards for whatever reason, the simple solution isn't to be against Government Healthcare, it's to be against national ID cards. The USA has had Government Healthcare for YEARS! It's called MEDICARE! All that has been done is expanding it to cover more people, in this case, the poor. Damned right-wing Americans wouldn't let it be expanded to EVERYONE, no, that would be COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM! We must follow LAISSEZ-FAIRE (sp?) capitalism, or else we're all doomed! This. All the morons crying socialism need to forfeit their Social Security, their Medicare, their Medicaid, and stop using public roads and services. That or they need to just STFU. look theres a difference between what we collectivly want as hard working americans and lazy bums who dont work. people should not be encouraged to not work.. if wed have real competion, people in local areas running there places. if wed make our own goods agian, if wed stop relying on a system of prepetual debt to make mone appear from nothing. then wed be fine but no, we listen to the politicans and big companys we wait for them to make the 1st move instead of people learning what the people want and makeing services or goods that they need. if we created more wed have more money. if youd study how this nation was lawise, and why those laws were in place. youd see the differences in today and now. there were no corperations in early america. (sure you had crews that banned together to do there kind of work. but it was on smaller scales.)
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:43 pm
Obscurus Sciamancer If you're against national ID cards for whatever reason, the simple solution isn't to be against Government Healthcare, it's to be against national ID cards. The USA has had Government Healthcare for YEARS! It's called MEDICARE! All that has been done is expanding it to cover more people, in this case, the poor. Damned right-wing Americans wouldn't let it be expanded to EVERYONE, no, that would be COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM! We must follow LAISSEZ-FAIRE (sp?) capitalism, or else we're all doomed! This. All the morons crying socialism need to forfeit their Social Security, their Medicare, their Medicaid, and stop using public roads and services. That or they need to just STFU. and you do know the history of socialism and how it was in nazi germany right? theres a reason for it. look up the full history. history has pattrens. america was at its best when we had more freedom. bing able to think and make as we wish is what allowed us to be the best of the world. we are decaying for many many reasons. our nation has more chemicals and supression then anyother nation on earth . just not the oppression yet
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:48 pm
Captain_Shinzo Last Lady Amalthea You know, I argued with some girl until my face was red, because she stated that only those who work should be entitled to health care. Ummm...not everyone can work. I wonder if she had ever heard of cerebral palsy. She then went on to tell me that Jesus has a lot harsher words than what she said...um...since when did Jesus advise against sharing? Even if someone is just lazing about and popping out kids, I believe that everyone should be entitled to health care...and if anyone says that they shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them, I'd love to say that if they believe that than they should fight for the right for a woman to have an abortion.
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Also, to the OP, I don't really see the problem with Health-care.
The only thing I see is the National ID card and I find it funny how it has your DNA and is microchipped. >w>
Microchips don't exist enough to just be invisible, there are certain circuits and power that needs to be supplied to the chip for it to work. Not to mention the size needed can easily be found, and would cause controversy everywhere.
But that's besides the point, how did microchipping relate to this healthcare bill in the first place? The only relation I read had to deal with the racial profiling in Arizona, but it's not a large enough issue to do something that national nor would national IDs be made because of illegal aliens.these people add in bad things in tiny incriments. like with income and property tax they at first set it to a really high number to make it seem like only the mega wealthy will be taxed but then the dollar value inflates and suddenly everone is taxed. they make us want it or think its okay, failing to mention everthing in a fair open debate to the public,. if itr was really for our good then why in a hurry? why not tell everthing in the bill?
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:50 pm
Hoshioni Obscurus Sciamancer If you're against national ID cards for whatever reason, the simple solution isn't to be against Government Healthcare, it's to be against national ID cards. The USA has had Government Healthcare for YEARS! It's called MEDICARE! All that has been done is expanding it to cover more people, in this case, the poor. Damned right-wing Americans wouldn't let it be expanded to EVERYONE, no, that would be COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM! We must follow LAISSEZ-FAIRE (sp?) capitalism, or else we're all doomed! This. All the morons crying socialism need to forfeit their Social Security, their Medicare, their Medicaid, and stop using public roads and services. That or they need to just STFU. look theres a difference between what we collectivly want as hard working americans and lazy bums who dont work. people should not be encouraged to not work.. if wed have real competion, people in local areas running there places. if wed make our own goods agian, if wed stop relying on a system of prepetual debt to make mone appear from nothing. then wed be fine but no, we listen to the politicans and big companys we wait for them to make the 1st move instead of people learning what the people want and makeing services or goods that they need. if we created more wed have more money. if youd study how this nation was lawise, and why those laws were in place. youd see the differences in today and now. there were no corperations in early america. (sure you had crews that banned together to do there kind of work. but it was on smaller scales.) That isn't what effected us the most, though. Spending actually increases economy if used right, kind of like stocks. Although, Bush spent it wrong and put us into some major debts. Obama thinks if we spend more into education among other things, it would increase jobs in the future and get us out of debt. However, education isn't the problem, it's the problems itself and the economy. Sure, we spend on useless stuff like water bottles which would get us out of debt bit by bit if we just didn't water bottles for the nation anymore. That just plays a part, though. This country doesn't have a problem being run, it's just that we need a better government. Like, for example... when early America was being designed, they used the magna carta document for the idea to create a weak central government so they wouldn't have something as powerful as a king. They used the right to bear arms act to make sure a militia could be made to overthrow the government if it ever got out of hand, and other things. So yeah, the government can be powerful. My fear right now is that the government is losing much trust of the public as well as cash, which is what fuels their power. This will make the exact same thing as the Articles of Confederation which designed a weaker central govt. The only problem this caused is that the government gained less and less power until it was powerless. Now, the government has only small control over the people they own: us.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:55 pm
Hoshioni Captain_Shinzo Last Lady Amalthea You know, I argued with some girl until my face was red, because she stated that only those who work should be entitled to health care. Ummm...not everyone can work. I wonder if she had ever heard of cerebral palsy. She then went on to tell me that Jesus has a lot harsher words than what she said...um...since when did Jesus advise against sharing? Even if someone is just lazing about and popping out kids, I believe that everyone should be entitled to health care...and if anyone says that they shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them, I'd love to say that if they believe that than they should fight for the right for a woman to have an abortion.
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Also, to the OP, I don't really see the problem with Health-care.
The only thing I see is the National ID card and I find it funny how it has your DNA and is microchipped. >w>
Microchips don't exist enough to just be invisible, there are certain circuits and power that needs to be supplied to the chip for it to work. Not to mention the size needed can easily be found, and would cause controversy everywhere.
But that's besides the point, how did microchipping relate to this healthcare bill in the first place? The only relation I read had to deal with the racial profiling in Arizona, but it's not a large enough issue to do something that national nor would national IDs be made because of illegal aliens.these people add in bad things in tiny incriments. like with income and property tax they at first set it to a really high number to make it seem like only the mega wealthy will be taxed but then the dollar value inflates and suddenly everone is taxed. they make us want it or think its okay, failing to mention everthing in a fair open debate to the public,. if itr was really for our good then why in a hurry? why not tell everthing in the bill?
Besides, we don't have a choice. There is no other way to get healthcare for the people unless from government spending and we are already stuffed up the a** with debt. There isn't else but taxes.
( Though I have a problem with taxation considering it is not a law. )
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:58 pm
Hoshioni Obscurus Sciamancer If you're against national ID cards for whatever reason, the simple solution isn't to be against Government Healthcare, it's to be against national ID cards. The USA has had Government Healthcare for YEARS! It's called MEDICARE! All that has been done is expanding it to cover more people, in this case, the poor. Damned right-wing Americans wouldn't let it be expanded to EVERYONE, no, that would be COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM! We must follow LAISSEZ-FAIRE (sp?) capitalism, or else we're all doomed! This. All the morons crying socialism need to forfeit their Social Security, their Medicare, their Medicaid, and stop using public roads and services. That or they need to just STFU. and you do know the history of socialism and how it was in nazi germany right? theres a reason for it. look up the full history. history has pattrens. america was at its best when we had more freedom. bing able to think and make as we wish is what allowed us to be the best of the world. we are decaying for many many reasons. our nation has more chemicals and supression then anyother nation on earth . just not the oppression yet The most chemicals and suppression? You're really far off. What about Somalia and the other small third-world countries? Also, during then, socialism isn't what started the idea of being a nazi. Socialism is what gave the nazi idea power. What if socialism is a good thing, just without making everyone equal and killing anyone who isn't? I mean, a one-world government is a perfect idea in theory but people look at it as this NWO that will enslave us all.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:28 pm
Hoshioni Obscurus Sciamancer If you're against national ID cards for whatever reason, the simple solution isn't to be against Government Healthcare, it's to be against national ID cards. The USA has had Government Healthcare for YEARS! It's called MEDICARE! All that has been done is expanding it to cover more people, in this case, the poor. Damned right-wing Americans wouldn't let it be expanded to EVERYONE, no, that would be COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM! We must follow LAISSEZ-FAIRE (sp?) capitalism, or else we're all doomed! This. All the morons crying socialism need to forfeit their Social Security, their Medicare, their Medicaid, and stop using public roads and services. That or they need to just STFU. look theres a difference between what we collectivly want as hard working americans and lazy bums who dont work. people should not be encouraged to not work.. if wed have real competion, people in local areas running there places. if wed make our own goods agian, if wed stop relying on a system of prepetual debt to make mone appear from nothing. then wed be fine but no, we listen to the politicans and big companys we wait for them to make the 1st move instead of people learning what the people want and makeing services or goods that they need. if we created more wed have more money. if youd study how this nation was lawise, and why those laws were in place. youd see the differences in today and now. there were no corperations in early america. (sure you had crews that banned together to do there kind of work. but it was on smaller scales.) If the laws say one thing and we're doing another then why is that? I think you're overly romanticizing the founding of the USA. Anyway, my point is that you shouldn't b***h about socialism if you're using socialized services. Hoshioni and you do know the history of socialism and how it was in nazi germany right? theres a reason for it. look up the full history. history has pattrens. america was at its best when we had more freedom. bing able to think and make as we wish is what allowed us to be the best of the world. we are decaying for many many reasons. our nation has more chemicals and supression then anyother nation on earth . just not the oppression yet It doesn't matter because none of this is socialism. I still don't understand why making it so everyone can get medical care is a bad idea. It's going to be expensive but considering we've spent a few trillion on war over the past decade it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. I'm also skeptical of your claim about suppression and chemicals.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:43 pm
in socialism there is welfare, and other benifits for non working people, more government centered jobs. theres no industruy by the people, the powers of law and money, this isnt how the world should be, we should be the ones running our lifes not a bureaucracy.
we have strayed from nature, self suffcientcy, hard work and other values. if we arent rewarded fairly for our work if we do not trade amoungst ourselfs, then we can never truely have freedom
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:44 pm
P.s has anyone ever heard of charity care?
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:32 pm
TrutherMei Just because it's labeled as "free" (paid into) health care, doesn't mean they are all the SAME health care though. Canadian health care is good but France has way better health care. American health care has all sorts of rules and regulations that turn a good idea into a lousy one. An expense cap is given for each year, for how much American's and their families can get for "free" before being s**t out of luck. Honestly the only real problem I have with it, is that now they will have a reason to enforce national ID cards (mark of the beast or damn close to it), because the Americans wont want to pay for the illegal immigrant's health care services.
You're right, because we don't already have cards that prove we're citizens. Oh wait, what's this blue card in my wallet? The one with my name and a number? A number that is only associated with me and no one else...a card that every one here has to prove their legitimacy?!?!?!?!
As far as healthcare goes, all of the other states need to take a leaf out of MA's book and just have a free form of healthcare for people who REALLY can't afford it, and lower cost healthcare programs for people who can't afford the outrageous ones. Simple.
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