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 Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:42 am
Vajapocalypse so retarded i think school uniforms are a good thing. in high school and especially in middle school, kids are judged heavily on what they wear. a lot of kids don't have the monetary means to be up to date with whatever's in style and this can be stressful for them. someone who would otherwise be popular could very well end up being shy, nervous, made fun of, etc... @ iwa: whaaat...? o__o; There are uniform trends. Kids who have uniforms are still known for altering them and that in itself creates a "style". The majority of style stress is on girls who in the uniform world still have choices that could lead to being made fun of. For example I'd wear slacks not skirts. If skirts are popular I'd still be an outcast for not fitting the "norm" But uniform is uniform, you're not allowed to alter them- they're meant to stay how they're designed. Even if it was just spiking up your collar, it's not going to set a trend. Some girls wore skirts and others wore trousers, there were no signs of people calling others outcasts. In fact girls who wore seriously short skirts were the ones who got called the names and got perved on by the teachers, so it's their fault anyway lmao. And technically, it's the personality of the person behind the uniform who gets the stereotypical labelling.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:49 am
sikh-91 Vajapocalypse so retarded i think school uniforms are a good thing. in high school and especially in middle school, kids are judged heavily on what they wear. a lot of kids don't have the monetary means to be up to date with whatever's in style and this can be stressful for them. someone who would otherwise be popular could very well end up being shy, nervous, made fun of, etc... @ iwa: whaaat...? o__o; There are uniform trends. Kids who have uniforms are still known for altering them and that in itself creates a "style". The majority of style stress is on girls who in the uniform world still have choices that could lead to being made fun of. For example I'd wear slacks not skirts. If skirts are popular I'd still be an outcast for not fitting the "norm" But uniform is uniform, you're not allowed to alter them- they're meant to stay how they're designed. Even if it was just spiking up your collar, it's not going to set a trend. Some girls wore skirts and others wore trousers, there were no signs of people calling others outcasts. In fact girls who wore seriously short skirts were the ones who got called the names and got perved on by the teachers, so it's their fault anyway lmao. And technically, it's the personality of the person behind the uniform who gets the stereotypical labelling. exactly. when i was in the sixth grade, we have a navy blue and white dress code. it meant we were allowed to wear whatever we wanted, as long as it was those colours. there were some other rules, too, obviously. everyone was friends with everyone, except for a couple of really shy kids. when i went into grade 7, we started being allowed to wear whatever, and that's when cliques started forming.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:54 am
sikh-91 Vajapocalypse so retarded i think school uniforms are a good thing. in high school and especially in middle school, kids are judged heavily on what they wear. a lot of kids don't have the monetary means to be up to date with whatever's in style and this can be stressful for them. someone who would otherwise be popular could very well end up being shy, nervous, made fun of, etc... @ iwa: whaaat...? o__o; There are uniform trends. Kids who have uniforms are still known for altering them and that in itself creates a "style". The majority of style stress is on girls who in the uniform world still have choices that could lead to being made fun of. For example I'd wear slacks not skirts. If skirts are popular I'd still be an outcast for not fitting the "norm" But uniform is uniform, you're not allowed to alter them- they're meant to stay how they're designed. Even if it was just spiking up your collar, it's not going to set a trend. Some girls wore skirts and others wore trousers, there were no signs of people calling others outcasts. In fact girls who wore seriously short skirts were the ones who got called the names and got perved on by the teachers, so it's their fault anyway lmao. And technically, it's the personality of the person behind the uniform who gets the stereotypical labelling. You're right you're not suppose to alter them. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Why do you think catholic school girls got the "whore" stereotype? Many of the girls fold their skirts over to make them appear shorter than they are. There is always a way to get around a rule, sometimes it's just a little harder than other times. Kids will find flaws with each other no matter how much you cut out their ability to. If I don't like you as a person I can still make you feel like s**t based on what you wear even if it's similar to what I'm wearing. Even in public schools that happens. Seriously one time some girl wearing a skin tight shirt and jeans made a comment that I look like a boy because I was wearing a sweatshirt and jeans (not very different in style considering we were both wearing brand new, same brand jeans). I turned back and told her something along lines of I can dress and look like a girl if I want to unlike her who is fat, looks fat and makes me want to vomit because her clothing choices are expensive and just accentuate her gut. Do you think something like that can't happen with uniforms? I doubt that. Slight differences can still be picked up and cause issues. Stereotypical labeling starts before the personality. Even in a private school there are cliques. It's the whole idea of guilty by association. Also on a side note stereotypes and cliques are becoming less obvious and binding even in the public school realm where there are no uniforms.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:55 am
sikh-91 There used to be clashes with some schools *especially the one I was in* at the start of it. Oh, yes, this. I used to have to either change before leaving school or take a longer route home to avoid bumping into large groups from a rival school who would start fights with, attack, or generally harass kids from my school.
That said, I personally like uniforms. First off, the money issue: in school, my family would not have been able to afford to keep up to date with fashion all the time. Overall, my high school's uniform cost me about £150, which included 1 blazer, 1 sweater, 10 blouses, 2 skirts (for the record, we had a choice to wear trousers instead, but I look better in skirts xD), shoes, and socks and tights. Taking replacements into account, that was about £200 for 5 years. Buying other clothes could have cost that much for only a few months.
They also help stop distractions. In lessons, I'd rather be thinking about learning instead of having my mind wander to 'Wow, so-and-so has a cute skirt on today!'.
There's also pride. It's a really good feeling to go on field trips with your school and hear that people commented on how smart you all looked, and to be told that you've made your school, a community you're part of, look good just by wearing it.
As for the 'kids not wearing it properly' thing, at my school we never had this problem because of new rules they introduced to stop it. During lessons, we were expected to wear the uniforms properly. At break, we were allowed to untuck shirts, wear different shoes, and the boys could loosen their ties. If people were wearing the wrong shoes or something, they weren't sent home. Instead, they had to go to each teacher, get their work, and then do it in their head of year's office instead of with the group. People started just doing it right very quickly.
Yes, there are downsides, but, in my opinion at least, the good points easily beat the bad ones.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:01 am
Where are you guys getting this whole "you only wear non uniform clothes for a couple of months" thing from? I still have clothes that are in good condition that I wore in middle school.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:09 am
When I was in high school, being up to date with fashion seemed like a huge thing... and for a lot of people it really was. I know people who, if our school had had no uniforms, would've spent a fortune of clothes. Even now, in college, I constantly want to buy new stuff just to fit in; and the majority of my current peers would say the same. Yeah, it's possible to keep the same clothes for a long time, but it's not what the majority of young people want to do.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:10 am
Vajapocalypse Where are you guys getting this whole "you only wear non uniform clothes for a couple of months" thing from? I still have clothes that are in good condition that I wore in middle school. Lmao. I never said that O_o And in school I've never had any comments about how I dressed in my uniform, but I have to admit, there were the girls who'd open up their blouses and looked completely ridiculous with their ties down as low as it could get. I never wore my tie straight up, but I never wore it so it looked compeltely stupid. My point is, those who wore the ties down low and blouses open so they looked like a complete ... rolleyes ... got on well with me. I'm not sure if it's because of the fact I get on with everyone, but it never changed anything. With the clothing dress code, some people DO alter it a bit, for example my friend and I would wear bracelets (she would wear the brightest ones) and some girls who had major attitude issues would wear these gigantic huge hoopy earings. In the end, we'd get told to take them off, so by the time we go into school, we'd all be dressed the same again.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:12 am
Silly RiRi When I was in high school, being up to date with fashion seemed like a huge thing... and for a lot of people it really was. I know people who, if our school had had no uniforms, would've spent a fortune of clothes. Even now, in college, I constantly want to buy new stuff just to fit in; and the majority of my current peers would say the same. Yeah, it's possible to keep the same clothes for a long time, but it's not what the majority of young people want to do. x) I tend to just wear t-shirts when it's hawwt outside or hoodies when it's freezing, the only thing I can't change is the black trousers and black shoe rule gonk
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:28 am
Silly RiRi When I was in high school, being up to date with fashion seemed like a huge thing... and for a lot of people it really was. I know people who, if our school had had no uniforms, would've spent a fortune of clothes. Even now, in college, I constantly want to buy new stuff just to fit in; and the majority of my current peers would say the same. Yeah, it's possible to keep the same clothes for a long time, but it's not what the majority of young people want to do. It seems more like a chance to learn about how to spend your money and grow beyond petty issues like popular styles.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:34 am
Silly RiRi sikh-91 There used to be clashes with some schools *especially the one I was in* at the start of it. Oh, yes, this. I used to have to either change before leaving school or take a longer route home to avoid bumping into large groups from a rival school who would start fights with, attack, or generally harass kids from my school.
That said, I personally like uniforms. First off, the money issue: in school, my family would not have been able to afford to keep up to date with fashion all the time. Overall, my high school's uniform cost me about £150, which included 1 blazer, 1 sweater, 10 blouses, 2 skirts (for the record, we had a choice to wear trousers instead, but I look better in skirts xD), shoes, and socks and tights. Taking replacements into account, that was about £200 for 5 years. Buying other clothes could have cost that much for only a few months.
They also help stop distractions. In lessons, I'd rather be thinking about learning instead of having my mind wander to 'Wow, so-and-so has a cute skirt on today!'.
There's also pride. It's a really good feeling to go on field trips with your school and hear that people commented on how smart you all looked, and to be told that you've made your school, a community you're part of, look good just by wearing it.
As for the 'kids not wearing it properly' thing, at my school we never had this problem because of new rules they introduced to stop it. During lessons, we were expected to wear the uniforms properly. At break, we were allowed to untuck shirts, wear different shoes, and the boys could loosen their ties. If people were wearing the wrong shoes or something, they weren't sent home. Instead, they had to go to each teacher, get their work, and then do it in their head of year's office instead of with the group. People started just doing it right very quickly.
Yes, there are downsides, but, in my opinion at least, the good points easily beat the bad ones. ..... If you're a social hermit, sure. But if you live outside of school, that annoying thing called fashion strikes. And you'll be going for the trends and uniforms both. That's worse. If you're distracted only by clothing in class..... Well..... Dear god, no. I don't think I'd be able to allow you to live. Group pride Uniforms.... So, they do nothing but add more useless rules that could be avoided?
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:39 am
Vajapocalypse Silly RiRi When I was in high school, being up to date with fashion seemed like a huge thing... and for a lot of people it really was. I know people who, if our school had had no uniforms, would've spent a fortune of clothes. Even now, in college, I constantly want to buy new stuff just to fit in; and the majority of my current peers would say the same. Yeah, it's possible to keep the same clothes for a long time, but it's not what the majority of young people want to do. It seems more like a chance to learn about how to spend your money and grow beyond petty issues like popular styles. If I'm honest, I agree with you on this point, but at the same time I know that most of the people I went to school with are happy with their petty issues and like to enjoy spending while making the assumption that their parents credit cards will be there for them forever.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:43 am
Silly RiRi Vajapocalypse Silly RiRi When I was in high school, being up to date with fashion seemed like a huge thing... and for a lot of people it really was. I know people who, if our school had had no uniforms, would've spent a fortune of clothes. Even now, in college, I constantly want to buy new stuff just to fit in; and the majority of my current peers would say the same. Yeah, it's possible to keep the same clothes for a long time, but it's not what the majority of young people want to do. It seems more like a chance to learn about how to spend your money and grow beyond petty issues like popular styles. If I'm honest, I agree with you on this point, but at the same time I know that most of the people I went to school with are happy with their petty issues and like to enjoy spending while making the assumption that their parents credit cards will be there for them forever.
sweatdrop Which they'll do with or without uniforms. confused
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:51 am
Divine_Malevolence ..... If you're a social hermit, sure. But if you live outside of school, that annoying thing called fashion strikes. And you'll be going for the trends and uniforms both. That's worse. If you're distracted only by clothing in class..... Well..... Dear god, no. I don't think I'd be able to allow you to live. Group pride Uniforms.... So, they do nothing but add more useless rules that could be avoided? If you're trying to keep up with fashion, it's much cheaper to just have to buy clothes for the weekends than clothes for every day.
As for distractions, no, clothing isn't the only thing I find distracting while learning, but for me, the less possible distractions the better. The college I really wanted to go to didn't accept me because I got a B rather than an A in Maths. I got a B in Maths because I was distracted and didn't know how to do part of my coursework. So, for me, distractions are bad.
I meant smart as in 'dashingly or impressively neat or trim in appearance, as persons, dress, etc.' xP I've never had someone assume I'm smart as in 'having or showing quick intelligence or ready mental capability' before. My high school had a horrible reputation until recently.
Useless rules? If they're useless, they wont have an effect, and therefore shouldn't even matter.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:06 am
Silly RiRi Divine_Malevolence ..... If you're a social hermit, sure. But if you live outside of school, that annoying thing called fashion strikes. And you'll be going for the trends and uniforms both. That's worse. If you're distracted only by clothing in class..... Well..... Dear god, no. I don't think I'd be able to allow you to live. Group pride Uniforms.... So, they do nothing but add more useless rules that could be avoided? If you're trying to keep up with fashion, it's much cheaper to just have to buy clothes for the weekends than clothes for every day.
As for distractions, no, clothing isn't the only thing I find distracting while learning, but for me, the less possible distractions the better. The college I really wanted to go to didn't accept me because I got a B rather than an A in Maths. I got a B in Maths because I was distracted and didn't know how to do part of my coursework. So, for me, distractions are bad.
I meant smart as in 'dashingly or impressively neat or trim in appearance, as persons, dress, etc.' xP I've never had someone assume I'm smart as in 'having or showing quick intelligence or ready mental capability' before. My high school had a horrible reputation until recently.
Useless rules? If they're useless, they wont have an effect, and therefore shouldn't even matter. And, of course, you don't do anything but school on weekdays. No such thing as going out after school, or anything. But you're going to be distracted anyway. Getting rid of diverse clothing isn't going to make people pay attention, it's going to force them to find more ways to distract themselves. I know. I'm an expert at distracting myself. And, of course, people can't look presentable unless the school does it for them. Heh. Funny. I'd also prefer to be able to say I can dress myself, rather then having the good ol' school to do it for me. They wouldn't have an effect if there wasn't that first rule there to make problems. It's odd how you have to have a solution for your solutions. Odd, and rather pathetic.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:25 am
Divine_Malevolence And, of course, you don't do anything but school on weekdays. No such thing as going out after school, or anything. But you're going to be distracted anyway. Getting rid of diverse clothing isn't going to make people pay attention, it's going to force them to find more ways to distract themselves. I know. I'm an expert at distracting myself. And, of course, people can't look presentable unless the school does it for them. Heh. Funny. I'd also prefer to be able to say I can dress myself, rather then having the good ol' school to do it for me. They wouldn't have an effect if there wasn't that first rule there to make problems. It's odd how you have to have a solution for your solutions. Odd, and rather pathetic.
Maybe it's just because of where I live, and people here are different from people wherever you are, but most kids here don't go out afterschool. If they do, it's at most only one or two days a week. There isn't anything at all around here for young people to do except stay at home or sit in a park doing nothing.
Some people don't want to be distracted. If you're an expert at distracting yourself, then clearly you want it. But some people don't and still get distracted by things. So having a uniform is fair, because it's one less thing for those who want to pay attention to be distracted by, and the people who don't want to pay attention can just find something else.
Over here, where uniforms in school is pretty much the norm, it's part of learning how to look presentable, rather than the school doing it for you. In primary (elementary) school, there's usually a very loose uniform because little kids don't care about that sort of thing and will just destroy it anyway. When you go into secondary (or high) school, you have a stricter uniform, and you get used to making sure you're presentable. When you go into sixth form/college, there's usually no uniform but you're still expected to look quite smart without someone holding your hand. Then when you go out into the big scary real world, and get a job or go to university or whatever, everyone knows how to do it themselves. Not just the people who've always known, but also the people who might've ended up looking a mess if they had no guidance at all.
Edit: Just an observation, but I find it interesting that it seems most people in this thread defending uniforms in schools have had one, and most people who are against uniforms haven't.
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