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 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:03 am
Uncle Jeff In such survivability stats, socialized med falls flat, as conditions usually cured in the US can be mostly fatal in the UK and France. However, you won't see any info that logical coming from the democrats who are foisting socialized medicine upon the American public. link please
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:40 am
Eh, the healthcare debate, huh? Well, as long as I'm on, I might as well add my two cents.
First of all, I'm strongly against any kind of Government run healthcare. Government administration of Medicare and Medicaid proves that the concept is flawed at best. Plus, politicians have a bad habit of raiding "dedicated" funds for their pet projects. Just look at Social Security. Not to mention that this will almost certainly raise taxes, the deficit, or both.
Second, there is a simple reason we have a Healthcare "crisis" in the first place. Healthcare costs too much. I used to think that Health insurance was only treating the symptoms, and not curing the disiese. Then I saw a skit about Lasik, and how the quality has gone up, while cost have gone down, because it's not covered by most types of Health insurance. Now I think the "cure" is killing us. If hospitals and doctors know the bill is being paid by a big company with deep pockets, what incentive is there to reduce costs? Banning health insurance altogether, both public and private, might do a lot more to bring down costs than insuring everybody. Not an ideal solution, and certainly not going to happen, but its a thought.
Finally, I feel obligated to point out the un-constitutional nature of federally run health insurance. The bill of rights has ten amendments, and #10 states than any power not specifically given to the Federal government, nor prohibited to the states, shall be reserved for the States. That means that the only constitutional way to provide a "public option" is for it to come from a state government. The Federal government does have the power to regulate interstate trade (the so called Commerce Clause) so they could open the door to buying insurance across state lines, but thats it.
I'm sure I could go on forever on why I think healthcare reform is a bad idea, but I think I'll call it a day for now.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:24 am
Priestess_Kelina Eh, the healthcare debate, huh? Well, as long as I'm on, I might as well add my two cents. First of all, I'm strongly against any kind of Government run healthcare. Government administration of Medicare and Medicaid proves that the concept is flawed at best. Plus, politicians have a bad habit of raiding "dedicated" funds for their pet projects. Just look at Social Security. Not to mention that this will almost certainly raise taxes, the deficit, or both. Second, there is a simple reason we have a Healthcare "crisis" in the first place. Healthcare costs too much. I used to think that Health insurance was only treating the symptoms, and not curing the disiese. Then I saw a skit about Lasik, and how the quality has gone up, while cost have gone down, because it's not covered by most types of Health insurance. Now I think the "cure" is killing us. If hospitals and doctors know the bill is being paid by a big company with deep pockets, what incentive is there to reduce costs? Banning health insurance altogether, both public and private, might do a lot more to bring down costs than insuring everybody. Not an ideal solution, and certainly not going to happen, but its a thought. Finally, I feel obligated to point out the un-constitutional nature of federally run health insurance. The bill of rights has ten amendments, and #10 states than any power not specifically given to the Federal government, nor prohibited to the states, shall be reserved for the States. That means that the only constitutional way to provide a "public option" is for it to come from a state government. The Federal government does have the power to regulate interstate trade (the so called Commerce Clause) so they could open the door to buying insurance across state lines, but thats it. I'm sure I could go on forever on why I think healthcare reform is a bad idea, but I think I'll call it a day for now. Great points!
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:38 pm
So far a House bill and a Senate bill have been passed, now to mix those bills into a b*****d bill
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:51 am
Kaim Arouet So far a House bill and a Senate bill have been passed...
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:27 pm
SeymourHiney Kaim Arouet So far a House bill and a Senate bill have been passed... Now to see what ends up actually passes.
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:36 pm
James628 your right ours isint, but giving control of it to the government is not the answer. Giving government more and more power over people lives is never good in the long run. In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed,
but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance...
A Guest here, hoping to become a member.
Isn't that, James, what separates the U.S. of A.'s REPUBLIC from other such governments as the U.K's Parliamentary Monarchy? (Not trying to pick on the U.K.)
The PEOPLE of America used to have complete control. Our votes actually counted at one point in time. WE THE PEOPLE (sound familiar?) need to re-evaluate, not reform, the faults in the Health Care System-leave the rest ALONE. Instead of the rich senators who mostly haven't had a hard day in their life.
Bottom line: we'll think it through and devise a system that suits US. The government office drones can run it and make sure it doesn't go off on a tangent.
... In Switzerland they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years
of democracy and peace, what did they produce? The cuckoo clock.
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:40 pm
As of me writing this, it looks like it will pass. Maybe by the end of the day, we'll have our answer.
Edit: It passed and will be signed into law on Tuesday.
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:50 am
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:20 pm
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