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 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:29 am
Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. I'm sorry, I don't understand "=/=". I am sorry--brain fart! Of course it is christian! Just not catholic christian. Catholic and protestant catholic dogma says that it is not biblical and when they say biblical, they mean the western bible; and that is true. There are many other kinds of christians in the world, and several different bibles.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:51 am
Voldemort point two rmcdra Sanguina Cruenta I'm confused as to why an all-knowing god would need to test someone's faith anyway. That's a good question. I can't think of any reason. Maybe someone here can provide an answer. Romans 5:1-4 (NIV) 1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. 3Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope. That help? God tests our faith, because suffering produces perseverance, which produces character which produces hope. Yes this is true but it doesn't say God tests us. If anything it says there's much suffering before one finds that peace with God through Christ. That is something I can agree with.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:36 am
Soulgazer the Gnostic Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. I'm sorry, I don't understand "=/=". I am sorry--brain fart! Of course it is christian! Just not catholic christian. Catholic and protestant catholic dogma says that it is not biblical and when they say biblical, they mean the western bible; and that is true. There are many other kinds of christians in the world, and several different bibles. Did the early gnostics ever refer to themselves as Christian?
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:39 am
Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:41 am
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:47 am
Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with. Neither were the Dead Sea Scrolls, does this make them any less valid? Ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Yeah, not everything made it into the NT, there are many books that should be in consideration.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:53 am
Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with. Your point? Neither are the Dead Sea Scrolls? Does that make them heretical in nature as well? neutral
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:58 am
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with. Your point? Neither are the Dead Sea Scrolls? Does that make them heretical in nature as well? neutral DUDE! I was here FIRST heart STOP READING MY MIND.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:02 am
In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with. Your point? Neither are the Dead Sea Scrolls? Does that make them heretical in nature as well? neutral DUDE! I was here FIRST heart STOP READING MY MIND. Sorry Sorry. <333333333333
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:03 am
Semiremis Soulgazer the Gnostic Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. I'm sorry, I don't understand "=/=". I am sorry--brain fart! Of course it is christian! Just not catholic christian. Catholic and protestant catholic dogma says that it is not biblical and when they say biblical, they mean the western bible; and that is true. There are many other kinds of christians in the world, and several different bibles. Did the early gnostics ever refer to themselves as Christian? Gnostics were not considered a separate branch; everyone had pretty much the same understanding of christianity as a whole, but the focus was much broader. Valentinius, who is the founder of one particular school of thought, lost being elected Bishop of Rome by a very narrow margin. Arguably, the term might have started with the Marcionites, who referred to themselves as "Crestians"; Most everybody else referred to themselves as followers of "the Way", or "Christics" There was a massive rewrite of scripture around 180, and again around 340 AD, so the specifics before 340 are going to be argued over for a long time.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:15 am
In Medias Res IV Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with. Neither were the Dead Sea Scrolls, does this make them any less valid? Ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Yeah, not everything made it into the NT, there are many books that should be in consideration. Chances are pretty good that they were considered. "Catholicism" means "Universalism" When starting a universal movement, the idea is to include something from everybody; The bible is an anthology of different regional sects that were starting to Schism. So you have scriptures that represent Judeo-christian, Marcionite, Apocalyptic and Nassene plus some others that I undoubtedly have left out. Not everything from everybody could be included in one volume. So they were sorted, and the best of the best were picked, in a very long process, amid much bickering and yelling as people defended their favorites. The Council of Nicene declare the bible an open canon, for that particular reason; That meant that a church was still free to preach the scriptures from their school or region, but the bible would always be the base. The idea was that a christian traveler could go from region to region and always hear at least some teaching that he was familiar with. The council of Trent, in 1540, changed the doctrine from inclusive to exclusive in response to protestantism. Early Christians used all writings. If you read the first couple of lines in Luke, he said that many had written Gospels, and he thought it a good idea that he too should write one and include the Oral tradition he had heard while traveling with Paul. The Gospel that Luke read is not in the Bible, and after the council of Trent, would have been termed "spurious", even though it is undoubtedly included in Lukes account.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:35 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with. Your point? Neither are the Dead Sea Scrolls? Does that make them heretical in nature as well? neutral The Dead Sea Scrolls were bits of the Old Testemant. Last I checked, the Old Testemant was in the Bible.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:39 pm
Guys I just used it as a general term. It wasn't meant to spark any arguments.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:42 pm
Soulgazer the Gnostic Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. I'm sorry, I don't understand "=/=". I am sorry--brain fart! Of course it is christian! Just not catholic christian. Catholic and protestant catholic dogma says that it is not biblical and when they say biblical, they mean the western bible; and that is true. There are many other kinds of christians in the world, and several different bibles. =/= means isn't. On that track, Catholics aren't always Christians. They aren't mutually exclusive, and they're not the same thing. While we're at it, are we going to define Christians? Is it people who say they are? People who vaguely follow some of the things that self-professed prophets have added to the Bible? Or are you going to call them people who have felt God's call on their hearts and have been saved? It makes a huge difference to the discussion. And, by Biblical, I talk about things accepted by the Council of Nieca. Basically, the things that are true. So, the Gnostic texts, which hadn't all been written by the time the Council of Nieca brought together the Bible (those 66 books had been considered higher than the others before that; they weren't just making it up at Nieca.)
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:49 pm
Voldemort point two Soulgazer the Gnostic Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. I'm sorry, I don't understand "=/=". I am sorry--brain fart! Of course it is christian! Just not catholic christian. Catholic and protestant catholic dogma says that it is not biblical and when they say biblical, they mean the western bible; and that is true. There are many other kinds of christians in the world, and several different bibles. =/= means isn't. On that track, Catholics aren't always Christians. They aren't mutually exclusive, and they're not the same thing. While we're at it, are we going to define Christians? Is it people who say they are? People who vaguely follow some of the things that self-professed prophets have added to the Bible? Or are you going to call them people who have felt God's call on their hearts and have been saved? It makes a huge difference to the discussion. And, by Biblical, I talk about things accepted by the Council of Nieca. Basically, the things that are true. So, the Gnostic texts, which hadn't all been written by the time the Council of Nieca brought together the Bible (those 66 books had been considered higher than the others before that; they weren't just making it up at Nieca.) How do you know that the ones that were accepted are true? They were written sometime after Jesus' death. neutral
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