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 Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:37 am
I understand. Thank you for the apology. I didn't know she made music, though! That is very good news.
Edit: I've recently come across a site that claims to have "elegant gothic" clothing, kambriel.com. The prices are unreasonable, but the accessory section is certainly worth having a look at.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:32 pm
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:45 pm
 Everybody! Love! and Peace!
I recall back in the mists of time, reading on a goth forum, one poster was very fed up at the advent of steampunk.
And she was saying this because the previous week, you would have a crowd of goths turn up in victorian attire and it was all fine and lovely. Smoking jackets, bustle skirts, no worries.
But the next week, when everyone had found out about steampunk, the same crowd had gone back to the goth club but all of a sudden they were steam punks. And the only difference between that and the previous week was that they happened to have a pair of goggles.
Her point being, taking a victorian goth outfit and attaching a pair of goggles does NOT make it steampunk.
And you will have your own opinion about that.
In regards to the pictures you showed, the second picture is just delightful! But I would have to say in their current vanilla form, they are much more victorian goth than steampunk. In my humble opinion of course. ninja
Booyaka!---------------● ● ●
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:00 am
You are correct in that point. Attaching a few goggles and machinery does not make it Steampunk. Steampunks are not usually as focused on aristocratic attitudes as a Neovictorian. Also, a Steampunk will be willing to wear more modern styles in conjunction with Victorian attire. They are also free to use slang, though it is only that which would be used in the Victorian era (no sha-nizzle)
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:30 pm
I believe there are different aspects of steampunk, which comes from the victorian era, can have a gothic feel to it. If you compare punks and goths to eachother in today, they are similar, so victorian gothic must be similar to steampunk.
Also when i imagine the world of steam, i have an idea that it is a world after the war, which then has been torn apart by this war. And there are groups or 'tribes' whom have different apperances, and have settled into different ways. For example:
Airship pirates
or
(as you have proposed)
Victorian Goths
Who live in the half ruined cities of the victorian times.
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:10 pm
I think Victorian Goth and Steam punk blend well together. Why?
Because they both use Victorian Style.
The only difference is the accessories.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if there were steam goth/clockgoth.
90% of Emilie Autumn's Style is Victorian and Clock work.
And she incorporates Goth and Punk in her show cases as well as her own style.
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:37 am
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:32 pm
Draco Vampir Victorian Goth doesn't exist. Goth fashion occasionally takes a slight nod from victorian fashion, but if you dress in victorian style it's just victorian style. Further, the two wouldn't be interchangable anyways because steampunk is about victorian era TECHNOLOGY in an alternate timeline. Historically speaking, I have to agree with you fully. Though, by today's standards - which are horribly inaccurate - the dresses would fit into a combination of the two genres.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:24 pm
I'd have to agree with rappace that they're more like cousins. Gothic Lolita and Steampunk both seem to nod at and take inspiration from different aspects of the Victorian era, fashion and technology respectively, so theoretically they could coexist within the same alternate-historical timeframe, but they wouldn't necessarily coincide.
Not to say that someone who truly wanted to couldn't make a Lolita-Steampunk outfit, but really...I'd think that you wouldn't want to get oil and grease from the machines on those nice dresses.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:53 pm
Queen of the Penguins I'd have to agree with rappace that they're more like cousins. Gothic Lolita and Steampunk both seem to nod at and take inspiration from different aspects of the Victorian era, fashion and technology respectively, so theoretically they could coexist within the same alternate-historical timeframe, but they wouldn't necessarily coincide.
Not to say that someone who truly wanted to couldn't make a Lolita-Steampunk outfit, but really...I'd think that you wouldn't want to get oil and grease from the machines on those nice dresses. As a lover of frills and lace.. I agree with this.
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:08 pm
KaelTiernan Alas, why do you not ask a Neovictorian like myself? Let me clarify a few subjects. First of all let me explain the base of all Victorian themed fashion. The term "Victorian Fashion" covers all sorts of clothing that have their bases in Victorianism. Two forms of Victorianism are as follows: A Neovictorian is a person who attempts to mirror the sensibilities and formalities of Victorian times, especially those of the aristocracy. Steampunk culture is a version of Victorianism that includes modern technology with that of the Victorian era. A Steampunk may, like a Neovictorian, instill Victorian sensibilities, but rarely will they be as high and proper as the aristocrats. Victorian fashion influences many modern day clothing styles, but the truest forms are listed below. This will also answer your question about Steampunk and Victorian Gothic. Steampunk fashion combines Victorian clothing with almost robotic parts and futuristic suits. Brass is a predominant factors, reckoning back to the Second Industrial Revolution. An example: http://media3.playstadium.dk/img/mgh/d3/billeder/cosplay/12.jpgAristocratic/ Lolita fashion, designed for males and females respectively, is most true to the real Victorian fashion. It originated in Japan and is most suiting to those who dress Neovictorian. Classic Lolita is the most historically accurate and mature version of Lolita/ Aristocrat fashion, and focuses on the Baroque, Rocaille, and Regency styles. This form tends not to be as eccentric as some of the below fashions, but is often more intricate. It tends to use very neutral colors. (A special thank you to Catsuits for a few corrections.) http://atashi.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/img_3276s.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Classicloli.JPGGothic Lolita (and this should answer your questions) is similar to Classic Lolita save for the darker colors and not-so-mature style. It is very much unlike any other form of Gothic fashion from the west. The look is similar to what one would expect in a vampire movie like Dracula. Mana, a famous Japanese musician (and one of my favorites) is responsible for popularizing the style along with many other Visual Kei artists. http://home.teleport.com/~monica/livejournal/Gothic_and_lolita_bible1.jpg (that would be Mana, who is in fact a straight male) Sweet Lolita is a more childlike style of Lolita and is heavily influenced by Rococo styles. References to Alice in Wonderland, fruits, sweets, and fairy-tales are popular themes throughout. Bright colors, bows, lace and ribbons are also a necessity. http://img3.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire1/08232008/0/2/f/0/02f05a4f77e4f0_full.jpgPunk Lolita is exactly what the name says. It uses boots, safety pins, plaids, and chains in addition to Victorian dress. http://s.bebo.com/app-image/7927000463/5411656627/PROFILE/i.quizzaz.com/img/q/u/08/04/12/QUIZ-punk.jpg The following are less common versions of Lolita: Wa Lolita combines traditional Japanese clothing with Victorian dress. http://nd01.blog.cz/936/475/4290cdae58_46915595_o2.jpgQi Lolita is the Chinese version of Wa Lolita. http://www.nautiljon.com/images/galerie/mode/qi_lolita/qi_lolita_1.jpgOji, or Boystyle, is the style a young Victorian boy would wear. http://sp8.fotolog.com/photo/8/55/8/yprh/1229955183013_f.jpgHime Lolita is akin to the clothing of European princesses. http://media.photobucket.com/image/hime lolita/sunbeammoonpie/Lolita/hime2df.jpgGuro Lolita is the most Gothic version of the fashion. Blood, bandages, and the grotesque dominate this style. http://sgcafe.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117298&stc=1&d=1205501533Sailor Lolita is a combination of Japanese schoolgirl attire and Victorian dress. http://s.bebo.com/app-image/7931872762/5411656627/PROFILE/i.quizzaz.com/img/q/u/08/04/12/QUIZ-sailor.jpg I hope this answers any future questions about the styles. Basically, a Neovictorian is to a Catholic as a Steampunk is to a Protestant; they are extremely similar but differ in minor areas. However they are still brothers. P.S. Victorian Gothic is a kind of Literature with themes of monsters, madness, blood, and unhappy endings. Dracula, The Vampyre, Sweeny Todd, and The Count of Monte Cristo (best book ever written) are examples of this genre. It quite nearly founded what Americans know today as the Gothic subculture. How fun! Wow this is really helpful, thanks. =D
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:37 pm
Draco Vampir Victorian Goth doesn't exist. Goth fashion occasionally takes a slight nod from victorian fashion, but if you dress in victorian style it's just victorian style. Further, the two wouldn't be interchangable anyways because steampunk is about victorian era TECHNOLOGY in an alternate timeline. Victorian goth definetely does exist :/
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:57 pm
 I've noticed that a lot of people seem to be saying that Lolita = Victorian Goth... but that's like saying cyberpunk and steampunk are the same. Yeah, they're both punk, but...
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:26 pm
Well, they're the same....but for different age groups (style wise)? They're similar in so many respects but at the same time so different.
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:38 pm
eulailyan mikoto Well, they're the same....but for different age groups (style wise)? They're similar in so many respects but at the same time so different.  I guess Lolita and Victorian Goth are as close as Victorian Goth is to Steampunk. Lolita has a completely different feel than VG. Lolita is childish and touches lightly on *****, VG is dark in a more adult sense... but they both have roots in the Victorian era, I'll give them that. art by eruthia
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