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 Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:42 pm
I always expected Yukina really knew about Hiei so I didn't really think she was all she appeared to be...
But I am scared to read that fic now XD Is it worth it? Oo *apprehensive*
My thought on why HXK won't work...yes I admit it! It took a little while but I'm liking Hiei and Mokuro a lot more since I rewatched the ep where they fight.
Mukuro really pushes Hiei to admit his feelings. Kurama is too cautious to do that and wouldn't want to since he is trying to gather himself together and doesn't need someone else adding to his problems. Kurama always seems to dance on the edge of it. Like hinting to Hiei that he has more in him, but not coming out and saying it- which is what Mukuro did until she finally came out during their fight and basically said: we both have to know. Who knows what would have happened if Hiei and Kurama had fought like that? wink
Hiei wouldn't want to deal with Kurama because of the human thing. Hiei is dead set in his want to be in the demon world. Kurama wants to hang on to what he has in the human world. I guess you can say Kurama has found his something and Hiei was looking for it for the longest time and finally found it.....(dare I the uber HXK fan say this XD) in Mukuro. She was looking for something and found him and then he met her halfway so to speak. Kurama wasn't looking for anything really while Hiei deep down was. Kurama is satisfied with what he has at the moment..though he does want certain things: to be able to be his true self, etc. I'm not saying Kurama is overjoyed in his life, he's just content with it..hating and loving it at the same time sorta...uhg it gives me a headache analyzing these characters- *getting more soda*
okies back- anyways, Hiei wasn't really open to love; Kurama didn't want that to muddle in his life..the whole Maya thing..Hiei wouldn't exactly fit into his plans. Kurama is too planning and Hiei is more just live on a whim. They'd make an interesting combination, but they'd either end up having an unbreakable bond or killing one another. At least Hiei and Mukuro have things enough in common for it to make sense for them to be together.
hahaha You wanna know the influence of me? I made my friend have a dream that she took two years to draw Kurama and then she thought about a scene with Hiei and Kurama in it..in candlelight XDD I laughed at her about that XDD Hiei and Kurama in candlelight XDDDD she said she likes HXK, but wouldn't have thought about it if I hadn't of mentioned it XD She accepted Hiei and Mukuro instantly saying aweesss.. hahahah
my stages:
-Hiei alone
-Kurama alone
-Hiei with Kurama
-Hiei with Kurama, but having feelings for Mukuro
-Hiei with Mukuro, but still having remaining feelings for Kurama
-Hiei with Mukuro is great! But......I still find Hiei and Kurama so interesting!
Old habits die hard XDDD
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:57 pm
The fan fic is definitely worth reading, eartianwerewolf, in my humble opinion. I liked it. Don't get me wrong. Just scared me. o--o;
As for HieixKurama. From that point of view, it certainly is interesting, and you've brought to my attention something that hadn't really occurred to me before...Hiei really is set to be in Demon World. He's not moving. He likes it there.
See, before I used to think Demon World to him was a place of sorrows and tortures, but now I'm beginning to see that it is in fact home. Something not many fans realize, and even I have a hard time comprehending this, I mean, I still do, is that Hiei really is a demon. A full-fledged demon. And while he has things that bond him to people outside of his own kind, he still takes a large amount of pride in it.
But what really bothers me is the comment I keep hearing at the beginning of Chapter Black. Kurama said something along the lines of "Who knows what course of action he might take. Humanity was once one of Hiei's greatest goals in life." Hiei, hun, I understand why you WOULDN'T like humans. We're soft, we're materialistic, we hold ourselves so high, we do terrible things, we're hypocrites, yada yada. But why do you want to KILL us? What have we DONE to you? I mean, Hiei is the type of person who will kill someone for pissing him off. When has humanity EVER done that? The only race to cross his path was the koorime, and even then he left them to suffer.
*le sigh...* It just doesn't make any sense... : s
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:58 pm
I think Hiei just got bored XDDDD Boredom kills folks!
Nah I'm kidding XD An associate of mine (fancy word for friend X3) suggested that at the beginning when Hiei was after the..um..sword...um...thing..conjuring blade - yes! conjuring blade! that he was actually being influenced by his jagan. I thought this was a VERY interesting take. I do wonder if the jagan, like the dragon, is influence by the ..um...possessor?'s soul. If so it could have intensified Hiei's evil...but that doesn't make much sense to me either..because Hiei met Kurama when he had the eye years earlier..then he came to him about this plan. Which leaves me asking- why then?
OO It'd be beau coup interesting if Kurama was the one who mentioned the sword...I know, i said it was interesting, not saying it's true...though Kurama might go to those lengths to get his mom cured...
I think Hiei just thought he was evil and meant only to cause destruction. that, being his only purpose in life besides finding Yukina and the search for her not going well, could have had a great effect on his choice. He said twice- once before getting his arm chopped off, and then when fighting Mukuro that there was no longer any reason to live. I didn't notice how much Hiei really had this mentality till the second time I watched it.
Hiei just believes that he's evil and can only hate. He said something along the lines of he wanted to blame himself for what the koorime did. He wanted to believe he was the evil one. That he deserved being abandoned. He often doesn't understand his own feelings- he had to use the dragon on Mukuro to see the intentions of his soul. Because he was not full of hate for her- he wasn't able to hurt her.
Yes I realized the home thing earlier than the wanna die part. But he said that he loved the smell of the air that one time because it reminded him of the demon world. Also he is fighting to get back there. Hiei knows he doesn't belong in the human world. Hell, he doesn't believe he belongs anywhere where there is happiness...
Very sad man that boy is sad
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:28 pm
Hiei's character has such depth...
It upsets me when people only scratch the surface. (Le sigh) Like my friend is doing at the current. STILL trying to convince her that Hiei is NOT some typical, bad-boy, stuck-up, jerk, that there's more to him, MUCH MUCH more to him, than the way he words things in that oh so mocking way of his. : )
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:21 am
There is soooooooo much more to him! It makes rping as him difficult! gonk
I feel like I'd have to analyze all his movements just to be half decent...and I just hate making characters too OOC..but I think I've done it a bajillion times ! *sigh* Complicated Hiei.
When I was younger and had only seen like the Spirit Detective Season that's what I sorta thought about Hiei- Hiei was my least favorite character actually OO wow how times have changed- especially since I've seen them all . I lovesss Hiei now <3 I lovez them all. But that was back when Yusuke was my favorite and not Kurama. eek
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:34 pm
Hahaha, believe it or not, as a young young girl (two years back and before o_o; ) I was a Kuwabara and Yusuke basher...and all my characters were OOC...and my work pretty much sucked. Lol. I'll seriously just, as soon as I post the first part of my fan fic on here, just need to post the original too. My main character was a TOTAL Mary-Sue, and the plot really sucked. XD Haha!
Ah...back when I though I was most like Kurama...how times have changed. Lol, yes, Kurama was what? Second on my list? But I'm most like Yusuke, it's pretty freakin' obvious to me now, IRL at least. Online, what am I most like, a Botan? Hahaha XD
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:54 pm
*sigh* You know that fetish thing we were talking about? I've changed my mind- I think Hiei might like pain...and the reason I say this is because in my rp he keeps freaking getting hurt on purpose! If he has to sit there and talk about something he digs into his palms until he bleeds..maybe I'm being too dramatic XDDD
and I made Hiei like it rough..so..I dunno if pain would be a fetish or not crying
You didn't like Yusuke or Kuwabara? hahaha I used to not like Hiei XDDD I thought he was short, mean, and beady eyed xDDDD And I thought Yusuke was the coolest ever. Kurama was too " upright " for me- I just didn't think he was cool like Yusuke and i didn't even really think about Kuwabara XD oddly enough I always liked Kieko though XD
How times have changed! Now I love them all <3
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:21 pm
I used to be a Keiko basher. You all remember that stage right? If you hunt around you'll see a few posts of me outright just going "I hate Keiko." And I really want to like Mukuro, but I'll need to rewatch the series for that to happen. (shrugs) At least I don't hate her now.
I've always liked Hiei, but what I now appreciate is how I've more fully developed his character, thus also gaining more of a kinship with him, as well as seen the good in other characters too and explored the possibilities of relationships with each of them. (I love how we're talking about drawings on paper. Tee hee. >w<)
As for the Hiei fetish, yes, a tad dramatic, but not too off the beaten path. Hiei is more of one to run away, in all truth, if things get too hard or complicated. (Though he won't admit it came down to that.) Or kill it, depending on the circumstance. Lol. (Look at Zeru? And Hiei's first Dragon of the Darkness Flame.)
I'm thinking of doing a duo-fetish, for hands and pain. Perhaps not both together (like inflicting pain with one's hands), but two separate combined into one person.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:03 pm
Yeah i just kept giving Hiei this thing where he'll bite his lips or dig into his palms to get his mind off of what's going on or to stop himself from leaving. heh..*mentioning rp again* He is realizing that he runs away from everything...either by saying something to push people away or physically. He doesn't want to run anymore *hugs Hiei*
I mean i don't know if I'd call pain exactly a fetish..more of a reminder..but I guess that is a fetish still.
so does Hiei like manly hands, or nice smooth hands, gentle hands, rough hands, or hands in general?
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:17 pm
Hahaha! You talk of it like it's canon! XD
Not sure. He gets very enticed by the intricacies and movements of hands and fingers.
As for the whole fetish thing, remember, a fetish is something that causes sexual arousal. What you're speaking of sounds more like masochism than fetishism.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:36 pm
well not exactly masochism sweatdrop He doesn't like getting beat to a pulp. Or whipped. It's more like..*sigh* he doesn't mind it...and it can push things..yeah..crap..my explanation skills fail!!!!!! He doesn't ask to be inflicted with pain, but if the biting gets hard, Hiei will bite back? crap...I'm just going to hide in a corner...my explanations fail.. redface
Eh..I don't know..why hands? why not lips? or ..feet! XD or cat food! *has gone of the deep end. pirate
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:24 pm
I don't know what kind of fans you've been talking to, havi. XD One of the main points of Hiei's personality for me has always been that he yearns to go home. I don't have any long-term fics with him and Kurama as a pairing, but if I did, I'd probably have him visit the fox once in a while. (In my main Hiei X OC one, once he gets to leave the human world, he does. He comes back to visit her, though, and sometimes she goes to find him as well, until she gets old.)
I remember Kurama saying that Hiei only wanted humans to be destroyed, and I remember Hiei talking about making an army of low-level humans when he had the shadow sword. That comment doesn't make sense to me now--in Chapter Black, he said that he hated the low-levels that were coming into the city. He might have even said that he hated them more than he hated humans.
I don't know that humans ever did anything to him, per se, but they don't really have to. It's more that his default is to damn all those who he does not trust/respect, which would include the majority of humans. (The only exception being the koorime, but they're a special case.)
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:50 pm
InkMistress One of the main points of Hiei's personality for me has always been that he yearns to go home. He does. And I incoorperate that into my story, thank goodness. ^^; InkMistress I don't know that humans ever did anything to him, per se, but they don't really have to. It's more that his default is to damn all those who he does not trust/respect, which would include the majority of humans. (The only exception being the koorime, but they're a special case.) That's true...but does he not hate the lower-leveled demons too? Why did he put forth so much effort to take out the humans first when he could've taken out the demons with much less work? Think about it. He had to go all the way through the barrier AFTER stealing the artifacts? Why not just steal the Shadow Sword then go back to Demon World? But then again, he WAS in a band with Gouki and Kurama which would take him there... InkMistress Eh..I don't know..why hands? why not lips? or ..feet! XD or cat food! *has gone of the deep end. Hands? Because he's had reactions to them in the past so I just MIGHT be able to pass it off. Lol XD And don't worry about it. We all have terrible explanation skills at times. ^^;
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:05 pm
Ha I even have this idea in my rp! ahhhhhhhh it's taking over!!!!! *needs to stop mentioning it* I've already started putting it into a word document and it's like 94 pages and barely even into the plot D: I'd rate it XXXX though XD
But yes, even in my little rp Hiei does come visit Kurama every once in a while and then doesn't end up staying very long. He also checks on Yukina while there.
Also he wishes Kurama would come to Makai and doesn't fully understand why he would want to stay in human world..Of course this barrier is sorta broken down because of....
Erf I should just post it as a fanfic >_< If I weren't so obsessed with little things I've done with Hiei that I think are a bit out of character...
Onto Hiei Theory:
Maybe Hiei was just tired of not being able to find his sister and decided to raise up an army? He was in a pretty "there is no point anymore" mood for the most part so why not kill humans? Nothing else to do...
Hiei just liked killing. I think it gave him a rush. So causing pain and chaous would make him happy..Even though deep down it wouldn't in the end...
Erf Hiei your excellent deep characterization >_<
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:01 pm
Man I'm so happy I get to RP as Hiei. : DDD
ANYWHO.
I think that the whole "I like to kill things. Yum." Was definitely a contributing factor as well. And it kinda does make me wonder though that since he suddenly stopped looking for Yukina if he really had given up hope and he just got caught up in the Artifacts of Darkness plan to seal over the pain or something? Or just to give his life meaning again?
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