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 Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:00 pm
@Cho: Your opinion is outdated. Yeah, we are all aware of natural selection and what not but those things don't matter anymore to humans because we have evolved beyond that. Relying on food you get from Madagascar to survive is no more unnatural than a hamburger that you are eating that has been processed the way it has.
Oh and no it doesn't. What you are thinking about is pasteurization. Feeding hormones to cattle to get them to produce more milk hurts more than helps humans.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:02 pm
CH0Z0 Shiori Miko CH0Z0 @Shiori: but you could not grow the heavily fortified, huge variety of food needed, is what I said, because everything they need doesn't grow in one place. Then how did any human being survive before trade? By not limiting their food source and eating what theyhad instead of 1/3 what they had. @Vaja: that's called natural selection, they didn't live in a place with enough food intake sources to live, and that's exactly what vegetarians do, limit their food intakes; if left naturally, they'd be dead as well. And actually yes, it kills certain bacterials as well as providing more for people to eat. I use the old food pyramid. http://www.ohsu.edu/healthyaging/caregiving/images/food_pyramid.gifMeat is at the top. Meaning it's not supposed to be most of your diet or it's considered unhealthy.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:03 pm
@Miko: We don't use the food pyramid anymore. The new more nutritional approach is to eat things equally and in moderation >.>
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:08 pm
Vajapocalypse @Cho: Your opinion is outdated. Yeah, we are all aware of natural selection and what not but those things don't matter anymore to humans because we have evolved beyond that. Relying on food you get from Madagascar to survive is no more unnatural than a hamburger that you are eating that has been processed the way it has. Oh and no it doesn't. What you are thinking about is pasteurization. Feeding hormones to cattle to get them to produce more milk hurts more than helps humans. Sorry for posting my opinion.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:09 pm
CH0Z0 Vajapocalypse @Cho: Your opinion is outdated. Yeah, we are all aware of natural selection and what not but those things don't matter anymore to humans because we have evolved beyond that. Relying on food you get from Madagascar to survive is no more unnatural than a hamburger that you are eating that has been processed the way it has. Oh and no it doesn't. What you are thinking about is pasteurization. Feeding hormones to cattle to get them to produce more milk hurts more than helps humans. Sorry for posting my opinion. It's great that you post your opinion but jsut like you're tearing down and nit picking mine I'm going to do the same. Yours is outdated. If we didn't have access to a wide variety of foods and what not you would be right, but we don't live in a time or society where that's not available.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:11 pm
Vajapocalypse CH0Z0 Vajapocalypse @Cho: Your opinion is outdated. Yeah, we are all aware of natural selection and what not but those things don't matter anymore to humans because we have evolved beyond that. Relying on food you get from Madagascar to survive is no more unnatural than a hamburger that you are eating that has been processed the way it has. Oh and no it doesn't. What you are thinking about is pasteurization. Feeding hormones to cattle to get them to produce more milk hurts more than helps humans. Sorry for posting my opinion. It's great that you post your opinion but jsut like you're tearing down and nit picking mine I'm going to do the same. Yours is outdated. If we didn't have access to a wide variety of foods and what not you would be right, but we don't live in a time or society where that's not available. Excuse me, but you attacked mine first, look at the posts. I just came and posted mine, and had the intention of leaving, but then mine was quoted and attacked.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:18 pm
I'm gonna try not to get in the middle of the current argument that's going on, but I actually just remembered this...
Some vegetarian food is actually really good. My cousin's a vegan, and when he moved out, his mom brought over some of the leftover food they had and didn't want. I normally can't stand corn dogs, but they had these vegetarian ones (Morningstar, I think) that were actually really good. Expensive, but good.
The veggie burgers at my old high school were awesome, too. <3
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:23 pm
Little Miss Fortune I'm gonna try not to get in the middle of the current argument that's going on, but I actually just remembered this...
Some vegetarian food is actually really good. My cousin's a vegan, and when he moved out, his mom brought over some of the leftover food they had and didn't want. I normally can't stand corn dogs, but they had these vegetarian ones (Morningstar, I think) that were actually really good. Expensive, but good.
The veggie burgers at my old high school were awesome, too. <3 I'm not really a MorningStar fan, I love Boca though. My brother-in-law tried one and liked it. Oh random thought. My sister's mother-in-law is not a vegetarian, but she would eat veg products because she said they were healthier. Though that can be debated, on the boxes it'll usually say "Less fat than normal bacon!" or whatever.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:24 pm
Vajapocalypse humans because we have evolved beyond that. Oh no you didn't. At most we've been able to reduce the selection pressures, don't be so arrogant as to assume we're beyond it though. Nature still kicks our a**. @OP: *shrugs* Up to them what they eat. Wish they weren't so damn zealous about it. Myself, I can't eat a vegetarian lifestyle, because I can't afford it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:26 pm
Valheita @OP: *shrugs* Up to them what they eat. Wish they weren't so damn zealous about it. Myself, I can't eat a vegetarian lifestyle, because I can't afford it. Did you know I was a vegetarian before now? sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:36 pm
Shiori Miko Valheita @OP: *shrugs* Up to them what they eat. Wish they weren't so damn zealous about it. Myself, I can't eat a vegetarian lifestyle, because I can't afford it. Did you know I was a vegetarian before now? sweatdrop Nope. You're one of the nice ones :3
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:37 pm
My opinion is this: the human body can process, use, and benefit from animal proteins. Therefore, humans are omnivores and should honestly just eat whatever feels right to them. If they think that the killing of animals for food is wrong, then don't eat it. If they think that vegetables tastes disgusting, then go right ahead and don't eat those.
So long as nobody attempts to push their chosen lifestyle on anyone else, I see no problem with either choice.
I personally think that veganism is a little on the crazy side, but if they want to do that, then fine. I for one would never do it, and the fact that it's not sustainable without artificial supplements is worrisome, but to each his own.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:06 pm
One of my friends tried to be a vegetarian once. Then he dragged me and my sister to Jerry's Subs and Pizza. And for some reason, he couldn't resist getting a meat filled sub.
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Very interesting fellow.
My personal feeling?
What you eat is none of my business. I might be a little pissed if I was cooking for you and didn't know, but that would be my fault.
If it has been made perfectly healthy, which I do believe it has been made, I've no problem with it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:09 pm
Valheita Vajapocalypse humans because we have evolved beyond that. Oh no you didn't. At most we've been able to reduce the selection pressures, don't be so arrogant as to assume we're beyond it though. Nature still kicks our a**. @OP: *shrugs* Up to them what they eat. Wish they weren't so damn zealous about it. Myself, I can't eat a vegetarian lifestyle, because I can't afford it. Not on the food front. Pretty much most of the things that end badly for us food wise is human error and not really nature. @Cho: That wasn't an attack and if you had intention of just posting and leaving then you wouldn't have come back to check to see if someone replied to it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:16 pm
Vajapocalypse @Cho: Your opinion is outdated. Yeah, we are all aware of natural selection and what not but those things don't matter anymore to humans because we have evolved beyond that. Relying on food you get from Madagascar to survive is no more unnatural than a hamburger that you are eating that has been processed the way it has. Oh and no it doesn't. What you are thinking about is pasteurization. Feeding hormones to cattle to get them to produce more milk hurts more than helps humans. Natural selection. The thing that caused balance a long time ago. It needs to come back. I blame most of the world's problems on the fact it pretty much doesn't apply to humans anymore.
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