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Ok, first thing's that evolution that involves homo sapien's a broad viewpoint that can be use for other organisms. Genesis 1:11, shows that god created his creations, and his creations have a purpose to find, which leads to theories. When ur theorizing something, a problem's that theorizing's like a bet, to where your life's work's a waste, or a success.

And secondly, the oppression of calling God a spirit to being disrespectful and limited's dependable to what people believe. Alot of people believe that god's a spirit, or Jesus himself, and it doesnt stop the fact that humans are very curious and intelligant beings, but behave in a way where they dont know it. Another thing I'd like to add's, that the bible doesnt say where it's disrespectful to call god a spirit. It says that he's a father and a force that created us, and it doesnt show any sign of disrespect.

But the science "we" use's discovered way later after the bible was written. The bible's like a prophecy that people have not forseen, so the people that has not forseen this, believes in evolution. We dont need a Scientific Theory, if the bible came to us, than Charles Darwin. The purpose of all of this's test us, if we believe in what the bible says, than what men believe. And the Genesis's used to show more proof of creation, than evolution.If you don't believe in this, then how did Jesus survive from death when he was human? No human can escape death. It's almost impossible.

There's nothing to forgive. Forgive me, as people have a viewpoint differ from mine's, so that's how it comes. By the way, I dont believe in the Trinity.

The way evolution works is constantly being debated. That's a fact.

That it works, and that it explains in a general way how all creatures we see today got here, is a fact as far as any facts can be factual.

We lapse here into solipsism: does the fact that the solid wall is solid when you look at it rule out that it's a door when you're not? Perhaps you see a wall, but I see a door, and therefore I can walk through and you can't? But science takes it on faith(!!) that there is an objective reality and that it has rules.

There are questions about the precise historical linkages of life forms. Is Ba humbugi related to this ancestral snail or that one? Are modern humans more like cousins or siblings to the great apes? Did we interbreed with or wipe out the Neanderthal humans? Or for a more modern look (a mere 50k years ago), did we cause the appearance of dogs by domesticating wolves, or were they other canids? But that evolution happened is, well, a fact.

I mean, asking about whether or not evolution happened is like asking if there's actually a beating heart in your chest. You can feel something moving around in there, but you can't actually see it until you either (a) get thee to a radiologist and have an ultrasound, or (b) manage to tear apart your chest cavity so, hey, your heart is right in front of your eyes. But once you see the evidence, there's no more room for question - as long as you believe in a constant universe. You could assume that you had no heart until the moment your ribs started breaking, or the technician pressed the transducer to your skin, and then a heart suddenly appeared in your chest; but that is frankly really weird.

In just the same way, you could say that the world was created just last Thursday, with all the fossils and similar body types and molecular biologies indicating that life as we know it formed over the course of a couple of billion years... but... why? That makes no sense. Why would you do that?

The bible doesn't talk about computers and it's usage. Why are you using a computer?

If you work out this word problem pi calculates out to be 3.

Again the bible doesn't say that it's okay to use a computer. Why are you using a computer?


God gives us different gifts and talents. God wants us to use it. He is offended when we don't use our talents as stated by the parable and takes them away when we don't use them.
God's name is YHWH. I do not know how to pronounce it. If I did I'd be making golems razz and bringing peace to the Middle East.
When did I claim to know everything? I had corrected myself and said that I personally took offense to a claim that you had made. I made a humble request that you not say that if you could honor that. I would deal if you could not honor that.

Okay but empirical observation disagrees with the order in which things are created as outlined by Genesis. All you are providing is experiential evidence. Because we are of the same faith yes all this evidence I can accept as experientially true but it cannot be accepted as empirically true because there is no empirical proof in your statements.

Christological differences aside since this is not part of this discussion, I do want to ask you something. Why is what God does supernatural? Is not God part of nature? The resurrection was a natural event but why it is natural is a mystery hence it is a Mystery of Our Faith.

I did. You stated that the bible doesn't talk about evolution, but neither does it talk about using a computer. So because the bible doesn't say something makes it untrue?

But you accept the story of creation as true. The Bible says that pi = 3. Why do you argue with the Bible on this?

Matthew 25:14-30 is a parable that Jesus spoke. He used parables to convey his message. The "man" he is speaking of is an allegory for God the Father. Why is the action not "fair" please elaborate on this. Okay so are you also suggesting that we cannot trust our senses?

No the parent organism does not change but the the offspring of the organism in question can become different and to the point of not being able to mate with others that are the parents' species. I get the feeling you have no idea what evolution is? Please explain what you think evolution is.
But we are promised the resurrection of the dead, why do you not trust scripture in this instance?

I'm going to jump in with a stance, and anyone is welcome to attack it; I don't bite! (hard).

I'm a Gnostic. I don't believe in either creation nor evolution. I believe in emanation. That is, everything that currently exists, emanated out of what ever preceded it. It may be some type of primitive lemur, or it may have been a neanderthal man, or it might have been Adam. I don't know, I wasn't there to see it. I'm here now, and have to deal with the now.


Our scriptures have an alternate mythology; I will post some quotations here, but please read my brief explanation before you dive into the goodies-

Creation mythology is very important, because it carries the truth of who we are and where we came from; yet the stories are not literally true. So understand that no one is calling Jehovah or Allah a Daemon, they are not mentioned at all.

These are our stories, handed down to us in the same way the Moses version was handed down to the Jews.
I'm going to skip the long boring parts of the cosmology, but the shortened version is that God had His first thought-- And that Thought is the Logos. The Logos is like a Babushka doll-- but keeping with the shortened version, the Logos is Christ and Sophia. (Love and Wisdom)

Sophia had the desire to see God, but She tried to do it on Her own without Christ, so She got lost. Very very lost!

In Secret John, The Risen Jesus explains what happened next:


The Thought of Sophia came to power, but because that thought was conceived without Christ, there was a wrongness about it.
~On the Origin of the World
When she blew into it's face, she created a god from the very chaos.
Because of the power of thought(only three generations from the Monad or One God) the thoughts of this mad god became reality nearly as soon as he thought them:

~On the Origin of the World

This then, is the ruler of the earth, since he gave it form and substance. He is also quite mad, and a jealous god, and created an army of angels to serve himself, and desires nothing more than obedience and servitude.

His Mother got in the final word, as mothers are wont to do: ~On the Origin of the World

"Samael" was not very happy about this, and neither were his devoted angels, and they contrived to make mankind, so that when the immortal man(Christ) saw them, he would be distracted:~On the Origin of the World

~The Hypostasis of the Archons

The Father of All, the One True God, now made a short appearance, remaining invisible to the arrogant rulers, but not altering their free will, but only their speech:
~The Hypostasis of the Archons


The Garden story comes to a culmination, and alternative explanation for all of the crap that we see around us every day:~The Hypostasis of the Archons

I had put in the header, then tried to copy and paste a prepared essay, as a bit of research had to be done.....then it all scrambled, and I had to do it again.

If you wish to alter your comment, that is understandable, since you only saw the header.

Before I address your responses I feel we have different definitions for the same thing.

Science - refers to a system of acquiring knowledge based on scientific method, and to the organized body of knowledge gained through such research. Source for definition

Scientific Method - A method of empirical observation and deduction characterized by 4 steps.

1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.

3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.
Source for this definition

Evolution

The definition
Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life.

The explanation
Biological evolution is not simply a matter of change over time. Lots of things change over time: trees lose their leaves, mountain ranges rise and erode, but they aren't examples of biological evolution because they don't involve descent through genetic inheritance.

The central idea of biological evolution is that all life on Earth shares a common ancestor, just as you and your cousins share a common grandmother.

Through the process of descent with modification, the common ancestor of life on Earth gave rise to the fantastic diversity that we see documented in the fossil record and around us today. Evolution means that we're all distant cousins: humans and oak trees, hummingbirds and whales.
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So if one observes or has information that is not consistent with an empirical view of the Bible then it should be rejected?

Okay I'll work it out for you. The circumference of a Circle is d * {pi} = C, where d is diameter, {pi} is the value of pi, C is the Circumference right? In 1 Kings 7:23-26 we are given a circular object that has the circumference of 30 cubits and a diameter of 10 cubits. Since they are the same units this means no conversion of units is necessary. So to find the value of pi apply the given values to the respective variables meaning that (10 cubits) * {pi} = (30 cubits). We can multiply the each side of the equation by the same number to keep the equation true. So I choose to multiply each side by 1/(10 cubits) so now we have 1/(10 cubits) * (10 cubits) * {pi} = 1/(10 cubits) * (30 cubits). We also know that if we have a number k and it is not equal to 0, then 1/k * k = 1. Since this is true, then 1/(10 cubits) * (10 cubits) = 1. By substitution we get 1 * {pi} = {pi} = 1/(10 cubits) * (30 cubits) = 3. So by the Bible, {pi} = 3. But it is observed that and demonstrated by man that {pi} = 3.141592... So we can trust man's observations here but not what the Bible states in this case why?

But if one rejects and deny the talents they have then what is the point of them keeping or having them? If one doesn't want the talents they are given how does one forcibly take it away? When one does not practice a skill they are good at do they not decrease in, or even lose, their ability to perform that talent?

In the world of pokemon, digimon, or pop culture yes this is an accurate definition but sadly this is not what evolution is. I have provided a definition and elaboration of what evolution is in the above commentary. Yes once a person is born their genetic identity is set and for the most part won't change. Our sex cells, you know, sperm and eggs can have genetic variation that affects the genetic identity of our offspring and can be so great that they cannot reproduce with others of the parent species. Define the world. Are we talking about the world in the empirical since or the world meaning how we view reality?
The world was made as it was supposed to be. Yes that is true but a creator is not empirically observable. I believe that YHWH created this world yes but the story in Genesis I do not see as describing how the world was created but rather why the world was created. Creation stories cross-culturally are allegory for describing why we are the way we are. Most are based off the idea that as above, like below, as below, like above. The creation of a world is a cosmic representation of a person how they should come to view the world they interact with and why the world interacts with the person the way that it does.


I never mentioned reincarnation. The resurrection of the dead is something that Christ promised when he returns. I mean the Nicene Creed which a good majority of Christian denominations adhere to has a reference to this.

Unless you are one of non-mainstream denominations such as Jehovah Witnesses (they believe in the resurrection though) or pre-Nicene Christian, you probably are going to agree with this "profession of faith".