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lets see, more weapons huh? philly, westbrook, mccoy, curtis, jackson, celek, mcnabb, avant, ingram, peters (has played TE in college and NFL), weaver, baskett... i can keep going. as for your mentions of those other players, Williams has to show who he really is this year or he was not worth the trade, austin is ok, Crayton is good to above average, Witten is one of the best, bennet is ok, barber is above average, jones is so-so, choice will show what he can do... ingram and maclin are going to show what they can do and were rated to be among the best draft picks this year with the chance to impact the starting/expanded roles on the teams they were drafted. Baskett has shown to be a pain in the butt to any team when he puts it together and has shown that he may be doing that, avant has shown to be a sure thing in the slot, westbrook even hurt is better than most with half the touches, celek busted out when given the start and most likely will not look back.. i could keep going. to say they have more weapons is just plain ignorant. Dallas, NYG and Philly all can lay claim to that compared to any other team in the league. But defensively, it as you say it was last year, which I remember it being the year before, then why is it that under wade they gave up more points and yards and almost everything else than they did earlier in the year and the year before? and as for those 99 yards, at least they get three points out of it. you are so against anything i say and dont want to admit you are wrong on things (where i have already admitted for myself) that you are trying to play symantics.

well lets look at your stats since you seem to not want to look at any of mine. your recievers that you gave were thrown to 19 more times than ours. avg in to give both teams the same amount of throws and guess what, philly beats them out (2685) and probably ties the same amount of TDs.
as for the rushing, you did not for some reason (i can only assume that that was to try to prove your point), you did not add Buckhalter. Booker was used only in cleanup roles. So you take out Booker because he was the lowest and you add in Buckhalter and you have Dallas winning that but at a lot slimmer margin in yards and by only 1 TD. Also Choice had more carries than buckhalter did along with barber having more carries than westbrook. Now if you would like, I could make an entire spread sheet on everything down to the exact average of what each player did. or we can understand each other for our opinions and look at what has occured.

here are the facts for it.. 1. dallas was said to have the best defense in the league when wade took over. stats do not prove it nor even back that assumption up save for sacks. 2. dallas only did a little better than '07. 3. dallas offense did not place in the top ten even with all the better talent than what both philly and giants boasted. 4. injuries hampered both philly and dallas. dallas wr's were relatively healthy all season while philly did not get back its original starters till almost half way through the season. injuries kept wesbrook hampered all season since his injury in training camp and had no FB like dallas has much less a run blocking line. 5. you can toss out the felix jones assessment since he played the same amount or greater time than all our backups. 6. witten was tossed the ball almost 3 1/2 times more than celek and celek only started in the second half of the year when lj smith finally went down with injuries for almost good. 7. despite only playing with 2's and 3's for the wr corps, philly broke its franchise passing record for avg, yds and came second for td's (and that actually says something due to philly having some of the better recieving/passing records in the nfl books overall. not best, some of the better). dallas had a legit number one and two number 2's.

overall breakdown for you to understand- dallas on paper and with talent had the better team and one of the best in the league. philly outplayed and had it not been for rookie mistakes (i cannot believe that demps screwed up on that 80yd pass protection on TO in the first meeting and his screw up by muffing that kickoff turning the ball over to dallas), philly would have actually won both games.

now with that said, do you want to continue this discussion with which odds show we can go on with this for another 5 weeks? or shall we agree to disagree and continue on with the laughing at noobs and correcting other peoples mistakes/ educating those who do not understand? i would hope the latter due to just plain tired of schooling about 300+ people on an NFL forum for them not taking into account the whole picture instead of just their teams.

lol

well anyways, hope we can bury that hatchet instead of being at eachothers throats here.

Sorry to interrupt a perfectly good argument with a new post (heh), but I guess it's time to put in .02 cents.

Parity in the NFL makes preseason speculation impossible. Case in point: the Arizona Cardinals were in the Super Bowl. And ALMOST WON. biggrin

But since NFL fans have nothing better to do (well, football-wise) this time of year, why not take a shot? Here are some teams:

Atlanta Falcons: This is the trendy sleeper pick, to the point where it's not really a sleeper pick anymore. The Falcons are one of the teams I follow (behind my Bills, who will not be on this list smile ), and since I live in the Atlanta area, they were on my TV every week. So I have a pretty good idea of what they're all about. I don't see them taking that step this year. The defense needs time. The draft was used to fill in spots, and so another year of seasoning is required. Also, Roddy "Hands Of Stone" White still can't catch... I can't believe he's now considered a star player. He's _amazing_ with the ball... when he manages to somehow fail to drop it. I feel that they'll end up 9-7 or so, possibly grab a wild-card again.

New Jersey Giants: I expect them to stay in the hunt. This is a team with discipline and a good (football) mindset. Plax can be replaced... they did well not to reach for Braylon "Hands Of Jello" Edwards.

Philadelphia Eagles: This team is one move away from taking that last step. Unfortunately, that move involves someone taking offensive play-calling away from Andy "Allergic To Rushing" Reid. Reid is a tremendous talent evaluator, and his much-maligned benching of McNabb last year turned out to be a very good motivational maneuver. But his play-calling is execrable. The Eagles have the talent to win it all, but until that offense becomes versatile, it won't happen.

Minnesota Vikings: Give them a quarterback with a pulse, and they'll win their division with ease. Give them a quarterback with talent, and they'll become a threat to win it all. Sage Rosenfeld is not the answer. The Vikings front office is probably already looking ahead to next year... to see if they can land one of the many prospects in the loaded QB class of '10, or a good free agent, or anything...

Arizona Cardinals: Can anybody give me a good reason why not? The NFC West is not significantly tougher. Warner is still ace, and Fitzgerald is still a monster. Boldin... was unhappy THIS year, so it's not like there's a downturn there. They didn't lose anyone they cannot replace. And folks, that playoff run was not a fluke; that's what happens when this team gets playing the way they were built to. I don't foresee a repeat Super Bowl appearance, but it IS possible.

New England Patriots: I hate them. But you know, losers don't typically engender hate. The Patriots will contend for as long as Belicheck is coaching them. Their biggest obstacle is that success has turned them away from their original mold; they're a superstar-driven team now. Still, those are some pretty good superstars...

Miami Dolphins: I hate them more than the Patriots, but that's my inner Bills fan talking. Also, the Wildcat offense is named for a high school that is a rival to my old high school. Nonetheless, this team bears the Parcells stamp... not a superstar-driven team, but a group of team-driven players. That is a proven recipe for success.

Pittsburgh Steelers: The Steelers will contend... well, probably forever. This is the model for how all sports franchises should be run. A repeat is well within the realm of possibility; they've lost practically nothing, which is highly unusual for a Pittsburgh Steelers offseason. And James Harrison is still mean and surly, which is a good sign that complacency is no issue.

Baltimore Ravens: Speaking of mean and surly, the Ravens will be even more so than usual. The Steelers embarrassed them in every concievable way last year, but this group of people will use that to motivate and drive them. They will once again be in the mix at the end.

Jacksonville Jaguars: Whenever the Jaguars get counted out, they always seem to creep back into the playoff mix. Just saying...

Indianapolis Colts: So long as Peyton Manning is taking the snaps, this team has a chance. He's still the most talented quarterback in the NFL. All the signs point to a decline, though. They belong in the discussion, but I'm thinking this is a down year. Probably for the entire AFC South.

Tennesee Titans: The loss of Albert Haynesworth portends a fall back to the pack for the Titans. This may not be a bad thing. The team they have is plenty capable of pulling off some surprises when nobody sees them coming. I suspect that they will win their division again, but not quite with the dominance of this past season.

San Diego Chargers: This is it. The window shuts after this season. They have to know that. We will see what desperation does to this team, which has been its own worst enemy for years now. The AFC West is theirs to lose after the departure of Jay Cutler... can they become the Arizona of 2010? We shall see.

Picking a Super Bowl is almost like picking Lotto numbers. But more fun, so here goes:
I will pick a Ravens-Giants Super Bowl, which will be muuuuch closer than the last Ravens-Giants Super Bowl. But ultimately, the same end result. Ravens 27, Giants 19

hope steelers or patriots will win

I'll try not to be biased...


Its either the the Patriots or the Steelers.

The Patriots even though i dispise them are a great team.

And the steelers have all they need right now to win it again. But i based on the comback from the last time we won a superbowl, chances arent high. Looking clearly at the team though. They have a shot.

REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Patriots. If Brady is 100%