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 Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:46 pm
Sakyh Heir Kaiba Sakyh Solus Canis Lupus Drinky McIrish Look, it's not jus this kid, he is simply just a representation of our current society as a whole... They don't seem to know/care/respect the hard work that has allowed them to live the life they live... My cousins kids are prime examples, I decided it would be cool to break out my old Stratigo board game last time I baby sat them, teach them how to play and then let them play on their own, for this was an old favorite of mine. They would have nothing of it, it wasn't electronic. Then they turn around and ask if I have Call of Duty for the Xbox. I have been making an intentional point, both upon my own experiences with these kids, and upon the requests of their mother (my cousin) to try to get them going with things that are not video game related because their ******** father pretty much lets the 360 raise them. I'm making headway, but when you need to pull a kid away from the house in order to even show him how to fly a kite there is something wrong. It's not just kids either, it doesn't seem like even some adults that shop at my store truly appreciate the amount of work that goes into things. It's depressing how often I hear "If it breaks, I'll just buy a new one" from a customer when I offer our service plans... Even on $1500+ computers... What do I think is going on? I think our era lacks any form of romanticism. One of my heroes is Howard Hughes, who was a pioneer in many industries. I look back at his height and I see that aviation and film making had a romantic appeal about it. I don't mean like kissy kissy romance, I mean that a whole new aspect of society has a appeal that intrigues people intellectually... Now I can understand why flying planes has lost its romanticism, anyone can learn to fly these days. However space travel, and many other things like science should still have this appeal, and yet it doesn't. We've simply become too obsessed with instant gratification, and this troubles me deep inside when I think about it... I don't care if kids act like kids, what bothers me most about that article is that everything seemed lost to him... All he could think about when meeting the most powerful man in the world and a dude who was sitting in one of the most amazing building projects ever were video games. That's what deeply bothers me about all this. Sorry for the rant. Now this I 100% agree with. People have been taking many things science has given us. All they care is that they have it and that it works. There could be only one person who understands how the product they love works, and it wouldn't phase them; They wouldn't see it as important that other people understand so this product doesn't just disappear if that one person would have croaked. Another thing that troubles me is people's ignorance to science. Someone actually told me "There is more and more proof for the Bible and less and less proof for science everyday." Not just Evolution, not just the Big Bang, but SCIENCE. The methodology used to understand the reality around us by observing, testing, and explaining empirical evidence! All of this while typing on a result of science! This may be a result of poor science education. People don't understand difference between scientific theories that have evidence to support them by means of observation and testing, and the layman's theory where you just pull an idea out of your a**. The latter would mean any "scientist" could come up with a theory and put it in text books. Theory of Evolution and Big Bang Theory = Bad Science. Germ Theory, Cell Theory, Atomic Theory, Chromosome Theory of Heredity, etc = Good Science. I don't understand how you can be crazy for denying one accepted theory among scientists(for example Atomic Theory), and be open-minded for denying another(Evolution). I don't know why, but my generation doesn't seem to think they can trust in the scientific method and believe in their religion at the same time. Yeah, I agree with all of this. Just another reason I like being Catholic. We're cool with science, just not cloning and embronic stem cell research. On that note: never could figure out how to fly a kite. They always crashed & never last more than a second or two above ground... You mean you are. I'm Catholic too but I'm on the other side I say go for Stem Cell research to cure terrible illness. Besides Cloning is tough. We only cloned one successful animal. Besides I don't see anything wrong with it. No I mean we as in The Catholic Church. Depends in what region though. In Mexico and the Latin community is more open than other Catholics than other regions.
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:57 pm
Heir Kaiba Sakyh Solus Canis Lupus Sakyh Solus Canis Lupus Drinky McIrish Look, it's not jus this kid, he is simply just a representation of our current society as a whole... They don't seem to know/care/respect the hard work that has allowed them to live the life they live... My cousins kids are prime examples, I decided it would be cool to break out my old Stratigo board game last time I baby sat them, teach them how to play and then let them play on their own, for this was an old favorite of mine. They would have nothing of it, it wasn't electronic. Then they turn around and ask if I have Call of Duty for the Xbox. I have been making an intentional point, both upon my own experiences with these kids, and upon the requests of their mother (my cousin) to try to get them going with things that are not video game related because their ******** father pretty much lets the 360 raise them. I'm making headway, but when you need to pull a kid away from the house in order to even show him how to fly a kite there is something wrong. It's not just kids either, it doesn't seem like even some adults that shop at my store truly appreciate the amount of work that goes into things. It's depressing how often I hear "If it breaks, I'll just buy a new one" from a customer when I offer our service plans... Even on $1500+ computers... What do I think is going on? I think our era lacks any form of romanticism. One of my heroes is Howard Hughes, who was a pioneer in many industries. I look back at his height and I see that aviation and film making had a romantic appeal about it. I don't mean like kissy kissy romance, I mean that a whole new aspect of society has a appeal that intrigues people intellectually... Now I can understand why flying planes has lost its romanticism, anyone can learn to fly these days. However space travel, and many other things like science should still have this appeal, and yet it doesn't. We've simply become too obsessed with instant gratification, and this troubles me deep inside when I think about it... I don't care if kids act like kids, what bothers me most about that article is that everything seemed lost to him... All he could think about when meeting the most powerful man in the world and a dude who was sitting in one of the most amazing building projects ever were video games. That's what deeply bothers me about all this. Sorry for the rant. Now this I 100% agree with. People have been taking many things science has given us. All they care is that they have it and that it works. There could be only one person who understands how the product they love works, and it wouldn't phase them; They wouldn't see it as important that other people understand so this product doesn't just disappear if that one person would have croaked. Another thing that troubles me is people's ignorance to science. Someone actually told me "There is more and more proof for the Bible and less and less proof for science everyday." Not just Evolution, not just the Big Bang, but SCIENCE. The methodology used to understand the reality around us by observing, testing, and explaining empirical evidence! All of this while typing on a result of science! This may be a result of poor science education. People don't understand difference between scientific theories that have evidence to support them by means of observation and testing, and the layman's theory where you just pull an idea out of your a**. The latter would mean any "scientist" could come up with a theory and put it in text books. Theory of Evolution and Big Bang Theory = Bad Science. Germ Theory, Cell Theory, Atomic Theory, Chromosome Theory of Heredity, etc = Good Science. I don't understand how you can be crazy for denying one accepted theory among scientists(for example Atomic Theory), and be open-minded for denying another(Evolution). I don't know why, but my generation doesn't seem to think they can trust in the scientific method and believe in their religion at the same time. Yeah, I agree with all of this. Just another reason I like being Catholic. We're cool with science, just not cloning and embronic stem cell research. On that note: never could figure out how to fly a kite. They always crashed & never last more than a second or two above ground... Well cloning doesn't necessarily have to be a whole body. Cloning individual organs is being looked into, and that would eliminate the need to look for someone with the same blood type and tissue for organ transplants as well as drastically reduce the chance of the body rejecting the organ; Nothing like an organ made of cells with your DNA, huh? But yeah, I understand where you're coming from. I mean the Pope has even acknowledged that evolution could be possible. Methodists I notice tend to be open-minded too. A lot of my friends are at least. My Student Catholic Bible even says that evolution helps proves God's existance more than it doesn't. That's odd my Bible School told us that Evolution only proves that humans came from Monkeys therefore we are Monkeys. It was in Spanish and of course I think she knew better... For the sake of doing it, I'll quote: Big Bang: "The order in which God is said to have created the world corresponds perfectly with the order in which science beleives creation occured" (posting this because it gives me warm & fuzzy feelings since I've been saying that for years and just noticed it in the introduction) Evolution: "...the Bible says, "With the Lord one day is like a thousand years" (2 Pt 3: cool , meaning God measures time differently than we do, and "six days" or six thousand years (refering to story of creation in Genesis) could mean any amount of time - even billions of years...we believe that evolution could have occurred in God's creation - God allowing nature to develop according to the natural laws he created. In fact...we say [evoluton] actually supports the existance of God." How old is your Bible? That may have something to do with it. Mine was printed in 1999.
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Drinky McIrish Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:22 pm
I subscribe to the "Evolution is not the answer, but the question" mindset, because evolution is very real, flat out denial of that is asinine. However, who's to say that it wasn't God who set it all in motion?
I seriously think that all holy books need to be taken out of the hands of the bible thumpers and just acknowledged as a good read. I can't tell you how many times people have tried to tell me that homosexuality is bad because it's in the bible, however they ignore the tidbit about stoning women who lose their virginity before marriage... In fact, there's a lot in those bibles about stoning people for some rather trivial things...
I just dislike people hiding behind the bible... Don't like gays? Good for you, but don't sit there and treat the bible like salad bar where you can pick and choose what get worked up about and what to forget about.
It's not just the Catholic bible either, Hebrew Bible and the Qur’ān are the same way... I won't deny that my reading of these works didn't move me, but I don't feel that we should hold every word of it as God's... These were all written by man under the guise of being dictated by God.
Folk under the same God can be very different, look at John Paul II and Benedict the whatsever... Two people, same position, very different politics...
This happens a lot in Utah, and it drives me up a wall...
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:59 pm
I know what you mean. Last semester in Biology (coincidence, lol) we had a little conversation about homosexuality. Not as part of the curriculum, just among the students. Anyway, one girl said she thought it was wrong and a few of us asked why and she of course said because the bible says so. Everybody in that class was a Christian but me and I wasn't even the one to say that not everyone believes in the bible.
While we're on the subject of Biology and Evolution, my teacher said last year some of her students made a fuss around school about her being an atheist because she was teaching evolution (Funny how she dares to teach that in Biology rolleyes ). The ironic thing being that she is a devout Christian and goes to church often! She didn't even find out about the slander until another teacher told her about it.
And my question to them would be what if she was? Funny how the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion.
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:35 pm
Sakyh Heir Kaiba Sakyh Solus Canis Lupus Sakyh Yeah, I agree with all of this. Just another reason I like being Catholic. We're cool with science, just not cloning and embronic stem cell research. On that note: never could figure out how to fly a kite. They always crashed & never last more than a second or two above ground... Well cloning doesn't necessarily have to be a whole body. Cloning individual organs is being looked into, and that would eliminate the need to look for someone with the same blood type and tissue for organ transplants as well as drastically reduce the chance of the body rejecting the organ; Nothing like an organ made of cells with your DNA, huh? But yeah, I understand where you're coming from. I mean the Pope has even acknowledged that evolution could be possible. Methodists I notice tend to be open-minded too. A lot of my friends are at least. My Student Catholic Bible even says that evolution helps proves God's existance more than it doesn't. That's odd my Bible School told us that Evolution only proves that humans came from Monkeys therefore we are Monkeys. It was in Spanish and of course I think she knew better... For the sake of doing it, I'll quote: Big Bang: "The order in which God is said to have created the world corresponds perfectly with the order in which science beleives creation occured" (posting this because it gives me warm & fuzzy feelings since I've been saying that for years and just noticed it in the introduction) Evolution: "...the Bible says, "With the Lord one day is like a thousand years" (2 Pt 3: cool , meaning God measures time differently than we do, and "six days" or six thousand years (refering to story of creation in Genesis) could mean any amount of time - even billions of years...we believe that evolution could have occurred in God's creation - God allowing nature to develop according to the natural laws he created. In fact...we say [evoluton] actually supports the existance of God." How old is your Bible? That may have something to do with it. Mine was printed in 1999. Mine was bought when I was born...
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:10 pm
*shakes head*
I like how you guys can turn a divine discussion into a truly popcorn-worthy extended debate. All I have to say is that I agree mostly with Drinky.
Mmmmmm. Popcorn. It really pops from the heat of a debate!
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:37 am
tangocat777 *shakes head* I like how you guys can turn a divine discussion into a truly popcorn-worthy extended debate. All I have to say is that I agree mostly with Drinky. Mmmmmm. Popcorn. It really pops from the heat of a debate! haha, or the obliviousness you show to your edited post. wink
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:05 pm
Solus Canis Lupus tangocat777 *shakes head* I like how you guys can turn a divine discussion into a truly popcorn-worthy extended debate. All I have to say is that I agree mostly with Drinky. Mmmmmm. Popcorn. It really pops from the heat of a debate! haha, or the obliviousness you show to your edited post. wink Canis, just because you're my friend doesn't mean I won't go back in time to punch you in the nose.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:42 pm
Oy. The internet and religion. Terrible mix. Although I am surprised at the amount of "progressive" viewpoints you guys seem to have. I always knew you were all very thoughtful people. That's not to say I agree with everything, to be sure, I just find the differing viewpoints fascinating.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:35 pm
Now I agree with Arvis most.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:57 pm
tangocat777 Now I agree with Arvis most. This is scary. Apparently I morphed into Tango during my hiatus.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:17 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Now I agree with Arvis most. This is scary. Apparently I morphed into Tango during my hiatus. Perhaps instead you are simply wandering in a different dimension where we were already similar.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:18 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Now I agree with Arvis most. This is scary. Apparently I morphed into Tango during my hiatus. Go to the ER - NOW!!!! Maybe if they catch it early enough you can be saved!
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:01 am
Sakyh Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Now I agree with Arvis most. This is scary. Apparently I morphed into Tango during my hiatus. Go to the ER - NOW!!!! Maybe if they catch it early enough you can be saved! Don't be silly. There is no cure for Tangocat. I am the cure.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:46 am
I don't subscribe to any religion, ESPECIALLY NOT CHRISTIANITY, not even atheism, because atheism in itself has the tendencies of religion, meaning concrete beliefs with zero wiggle room. If I choose to believe anything, I'll decide it for myself, not for what some book tells me.
Religion has never brought much of anything good to society. I'm not saying it's without its merits, but remember the Crusades in the early second millenium? The rivalries between Christians and Muslims STILL stand. Not only that, but the unbelievable amounts of hypocrisy in the churches are...well...unbelievable! The Bible says "thou shalt not kill", and yet how many murders and wars have been ordered by religious figures? Countless.
The Bible says "judge not, lest you be judged" or something like that, and yet the Bible judges constantly. Homosexuals are judged by the Bible. Like Drinky said, women are to be stoned if they lose their virginity before marriage. Is that not passing judgment? Unless you buy into predestination, God decides based on your life experiences whether you go to Heaven or Hell. That's the ULTIMATE judgment?
Don't even let me go into the fact that we'll never know which religion is right until we die and see for ourselves if there's a heaven, reincarnation, an underworld, a Field of Food, or if Ahura Mazda and Ahriman are still fighting. So it's ridiculous to subscibe to and practice piety in one religion, when it may turn out it was the wrong one and well, that was a wasted life.
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