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 Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:03 am
When you reach that first level of faith, you will suddenly realise and will completely and shockingly change your view of life. You will most likely think its ignorant. But its all a very unexplainable misunderstanding.
i 100% understand why you would say that and i use to think that too. I hope you get to recieve this knowledge soon.
nobody can force you to believe, only when time comes.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:25 am
divineseraph i2nd Death divineseraph [ k e e l y ] Doesn't Jesus = God?
The trinity is the different forms of God, therefore, God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
Therefore, when Jesus(God) says that you go to heaven through me, that doesn't alienate the other monotheistic religions. Or even of SOMETHING, because that is a form of faith to God, isn't it? Exactly- If God and Jesus are the same, then God is Jesus so worshiping God without Jesus is the same thing. If Jesus and God are separate, since God is the infinite one, you should be able to override Jesus by going with God.
Father = God
Jesus = God
The Holy Spirit = God } (all 3 of them) - Trinity
God (Father) ≠ God (Jesus) ≠ God (the Holy Spirit)
In other words, yes, they are all considered 'God',
but they are not the same.So which one has the authority? If they are not equals, which one must we pander to to get the key to heaven? Again, if they are separate, God the creator is the one on the throne to heaven, making Jesus the prince and the holy spirit some type of squire or duke or something. If you want to get into the castle, sure, you can pander to the prince. But it wouldn't hurt, and would in fact be faster, to know the king.
over different things.
Jesus said that the only way to Heaven is through Him, ("I am the way,
etc..) and most of the things He said can be understood in different ways.
How can you go to God (to know and talk to the 'King') if you don't believe
that He exists and if you can't hear Him (nor see Him)?
That's why a person has to listen to what Jesus said because a human
(a sinner perhaps, wanting to go to Heaven) can not hear God's (King's)
voice.
Why?
Because if a person sins they create darkness inside themselves.
If they do that, they can not hear God talking to them since God is Light.
God ('King') sent Jesus down here to us so we would know more about
God and how to get to Heaven. Jesus told us about God, and *we* can
talk to God through Jesus.
If *you* can hear God's voice clearly, sure, you can go and ask Him directly.
It's not like you're not allowed to go and talk to God, it's just you can't
see nor hear when you're filled with darkness.
But God will be the one to get a person to Heaven, people just need to
go to Jesus to reach the 'King'.
Did that answer your question?
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:26 am
Keely, you're atheist? xd Why do you go to a Catholic school? Did you choose to BECAUSE you think religion is interesting, or did your parents make you go, or what?
NPL127001 - Yeeaaahhh..Well, I guess anything's possible, and I can't see the future, so I can't really say that it WON'T happen, but I don't see it happening. We'll see though, I guess.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:28 am
I believe in the words of Jesus :]
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." heart
I hope that does not make me close-minded. I don't think it does. I respect that there are other religions too.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:27 pm
i2nd Death divineseraph i2nd Death divineseraph [ k e e l y ] Doesn't Jesus = God?
The trinity is the different forms of God, therefore, God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
Therefore, when Jesus(God) says that you go to heaven through me, that doesn't alienate the other monotheistic religions. Or even of SOMETHING, because that is a form of faith to God, isn't it? Exactly- If God and Jesus are the same, then God is Jesus so worshiping God without Jesus is the same thing. If Jesus and God are separate, since God is the infinite one, you should be able to override Jesus by going with God.
Father = God
Jesus = God
The Holy Spirit = God } (all 3 of them) - Trinity
God (Father) ≠ God (Jesus) ≠ God (the Holy Spirit)
In other words, yes, they are all considered 'God',
but they are not the same.So which one has the authority? If they are not equals, which one must we pander to to get the key to heaven? Again, if they are separate, God the creator is the one on the throne to heaven, making Jesus the prince and the holy spirit some type of squire or duke or something. If you want to get into the castle, sure, you can pander to the prince. But it wouldn't hurt, and would in fact be faster, to know the king.
over different things.
Jesus said that the only way to Heaven is through Him, ("I am the way,
etc..) and most of the things He said can be understood in different ways.
How can you go to God (to know and talk to the 'King') if you don't believe
that He exists and if you can't hear Him (nor see Him)?
That's why a person has to listen to what Jesus said because a human
(a sinner perhaps, wanting to go to Heaven) can not hear God's (King's)
voice.
Why?
Because if a person sins they create darkness inside themselves.
If they do that, they can not hear God talking to them since God is Light.
God ('King') sent Jesus down here to us so we would know more about
God and how to get to Heaven. Jesus told us about God, and *we* can
talk to God through Jesus.
If *you* can hear God's voice clearly, sure, you can go and ask Him directly.
It's not like you're not allowed to go and talk to God, it's just you can't
see nor hear when you're filled with darkness.
But God will be the one to get a person to Heaven, people just need to
go to Jesus to reach the 'King'.
Did that answer your question?The mortal cannot know God directly, but through logic man can come to a conception God. God gives us a basic map, we need to figure out how to navigate it.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:28 pm
Zora Darkblade I believe in the words of Jesus :] "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." heart I hope that does not make me close-minded. I don't think it does. I respect that there are other religions too. And do you truly believe that the good people of the other religions, most of whom worship the very same God, are doomed to an eternity of suffering?
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:19 pm
sheheartsthings Alix - I guess that makes sense, but I still don't agree that someone who is a good person but never felt the need to really get into religion wouldn't go to heaven, if there is a heaven. :edit: But still, murdering someone and then accepting the christ of your religion and going to heaven and then someone who was a wonderful person who didn't believe in your religion or never felt the need to choose a religion NOT going to heaven is still ******** up. tiger - So basically what that says it that someone who believes there is a God will go to heaven, even if they never get into a specific religion. So, what if you believe in a higher power that created all this, and you have respect for that higher power? But you don't form any sort of religion about it, it's just what you believe. You feel no need to put a name to that higher power, and you feel no need to define it, you just know that it exists. You have faith in what you believe, and that's good enough for you. Still no way to go to heaven (again, if there is one)? excuse me miss but i do believe that all other religions that dont have jesus as one way go to the same place......H-E-L-L!!!!!jesus said I am the way the truth and the life,no one comes to the FATHER exept through ME!!!that is all,i hope many people from other religions come to know christ as their personal lord and saviour because their doctrine isnt leading them anywhere besides the firey depths of H-E-L-L!!that is all
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:21 pm
divineseraph Zora Darkblade I believe in the words of Jesus :] "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." heart I hope that does not make me close-minded. I don't think it does. I respect that there are other religions too. And do you truly believe that the good people of the other religions, most of whom worship the very same God, are doomed to an eternity of suffering? i believe they are,havent you read the bible lately??yes they will if they dont repent from their sinful ways and turn to jesus and accept him as personal lord and saviour
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:19 pm
I have accepted Jesus and the Christian God as a potential saviours. They are not my only ones, but then again, I'm not a full Christian.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:47 pm
I'm Catholic.
So we have this prayer, and one of it says,
"Lead all souls to heaven, especially those who are in most need of your mercy."
So if you're a good person and believed in God, you go to heaven. If you're a good person and chose not to believe, you go to heaven. If you're a bad person and chose to believe, you will be saved and go to heaven. And lastly, if you're a bad person and never chose to believe at all...
you will go to heaven. Basically the only way you can go to Hell heaven is if you really really want to. I'm willing to bet Satan is lonely to this day.
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Another point of view is that if you never learned how to forgive, you'll be in misery, which is like "Hell."
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:26 am
krystalmetalera divineseraph Zora Darkblade I believe in the words of Jesus :] "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." heart I hope that does not make me close-minded. I don't think it does. I respect that there are other religions too. And do you truly believe that the good people of the other religions, most of whom worship the very same God, are doomed to an eternity of suffering? i believe they are,havent you read the bible lately??yes they will if they dont repent from their sinful ways and turn to jesus and accept him as personal lord and saviour Wow, you're really a terrible person. I do not read the bible, much of it is trash, honestly. To quote Drawn Together, "The bible says a lot of things- And not very clearly." Firstly, much of the bible has been changed over the years to change the common person's perception of Jesus. Secondly, the bible is written by people who are NOT jesus. I figure the religion is about this guy named Jesus, not Mark or John. So what they have to say is obviously going to be biased or inaccurate in some ways. Secondly, if we must go by that quote, I believe it means through his action, not through his body. Do as he does to be one with God. Bowing down before him just misses the point.
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:29 am
krystalmetalera sheheartsthings Alix - I guess that makes sense, but I still don't agree that someone who is a good person but never felt the need to really get into religion wouldn't go to heaven, if there is a heaven. :edit: But still, murdering someone and then accepting the christ of your religion and going to heaven and then someone who was a wonderful person who didn't believe in your religion or never felt the need to choose a religion NOT going to heaven is still ******** up. tiger - So basically what that says it that someone who believes there is a God will go to heaven, even if they never get into a specific religion. So, what if you believe in a higher power that created all this, and you have respect for that higher power? But you don't form any sort of religion about it, it's just what you believe. You feel no need to put a name to that higher power, and you feel no need to define it, you just know that it exists. You have faith in what you believe, and that's good enough for you. Still no way to go to heaven (again, if there is one)? excuse me miss but i do believe that all other religions that dont have jesus as one way go to the same place......H-E-L-L!!!!!jesus said I am the way the truth and the life,no one comes to the FATHER exept through ME!!!that is all,i hope many people from other religions come to know christ as their personal lord and saviour because their doctrine isnt leading them anywhere besides the firey depths of H-E-L-L!!that is all And those who don't using capital letters and coherent typing abilities will end up in the same place: Failing English. No, but seriously, I'm sorry, I just can't believe everything someone wrote in a book. And people who think like you do make me want to believe it even less.
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:41 pm
krystalmetalera sheheartsthings Alix - I guess that makes sense, but I still don't agree that someone who is a good person but never felt the need to really get into religion wouldn't go to heaven, if there is a heaven. :edit: But still, murdering someone and then accepting the christ of your religion and going to heaven and then someone who was a wonderful person who didn't believe in your religion or never felt the need to choose a religion NOT going to heaven is still ******** up. tiger - So basically what that says it that someone who believes there is a God will go to heaven, even if they never get into a specific religion. So, what if you believe in a higher power that created all this, and you have respect for that higher power? But you don't form any sort of religion about it, it's just what you believe. You feel no need to put a name to that higher power, and you feel no need to define it, you just know that it exists. You have faith in what you believe, and that's good enough for you. Still no way to go to heaven (again, if there is one)? excuse me miss but i do believe that all other religions that dont have jesus as one way go to the same place......H-E-L-L!!!!!jesus said I am the way the truth and the life,no one comes to the FATHER exept through ME!!!that is all,i hope many people from other religions come to know christ as their personal lord and saviour because their doctrine isnt leading them anywhere besides the firey depths of H-E-L-L!!that is all Excuse me, but, by any chance are you a member of the Phelps family?
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:09 pm
divineseraph Zora Darkblade I believe in the words of Jesus :] "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." heart I hope that does not make me close-minded. I don't think it does. I respect that there are other religions too. And do you truly believe that the good people of the other religions, most of whom worship the very same God, are doomed to an eternity of suffering? If God wants to save someone we consider "non-Christian", He can and He will. If God wants to condemn a "Christian", He will. He is fair, much more fair than we ever hope to be. His justice is perfect and so is His mercy. Romans 9:15 - "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."It's His call. We have no say in who is saved and who is not. :]
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:47 am
I have my faith, my salvation, and I believe that Jesus is the one way to heaven and so forth. I try to consider other peoples feelings as well, because we all have our different views on faith, regardless of whether i agree with someone or not. It's still considerate to be open to other people's viewpoints.
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