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 Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:52 pm
also, the "Under God" statement in the Pledge of Alligience was inserted AFTER the Pledge was written and started to be circulated. it was inserted not because of any Abrahamistic thought, but to make us different that Russian Communism which promotes a LACK of religion.
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:07 pm
I don't say the pledge anymore... When we have to, I say:
I pleadge allegiance,
To The Beatles
Of Liverpool England
And to Brain Epstien
Four Beatles
Under Paul
And inseperable {{ Except for yoko}}
To Hippies And Love For All
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:11 pm
The way I see it, we all have a right to do whatever we damn well please, so long as what we do does not impede the rights of others. Americans have a right to have any affairs of state be free of any kind of religious preference/discrimination. The phrase "under God" in the Pledge is a preference for the Judeo-Christian religions, and thus impedes on the people's right to have any state affair (the Pledge is a state affair, obviously) from religious overtone (under God is a religious overtone).
People saying that they're offended usually don't mean it. it's likely simply a tactic to bring attention to a topic that very much needs to be addressed.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:00 am
Ummmm. Question. This is a religious TOLERANCE guild. So why are we suggesting ways to completely and totally remove religion from society? Isn't the whole point of the guild to be accepting all religions as valid, regardless of whether or not we agree with them? By that point, wouldn't KEEPING those stated holidays and names and time organizations be accepting all religions?
We have these systems in place because of the influence of certain religions on history. So what if they aren't widely accepted/practiced anymore? So what if church and state aren't completely inseparable? So long as our right to freedom of religion isn't infringed upon (not freedom FROM religion... everyone has a religion even if it's atheist--not believing any gods/goddesses exist--or agnostic--not knowing enough to determine if there are gods/goddesses in existence), who should care?
I understand that posting the Ten Commandments in a government building is implying support of one religion over another. I'm Christian and I think that it's offensive. I don't want my government telling me which religion to choose. It's my choice, not theirs. Now, had they posted a "snippet" of beliefs from all major world religions and announced that they were intent on extending the collection to include many of the religions practiced in America, I wouldn't be offended. But that's just not sensible. All or nothing.
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