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citronette
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:37 am


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Oh lawl I kind of answered that last question in the other thread. I've cut/sanded down a neck once. Messy mission.


I don't find photography any easier than drawing. There's a shitload of elements that really go into making a 'great' picture instead of just a 'nice' one. I'm not a personally 'great' photographer, but thankfully I don't suck, taking blurry a** or grainy pictures of my dolls from up and under their noses.

I've had photoshoots last hours, with over 200 shots and only maybe be satisfied with 10. Ah and don't forget the time it takes to edit, rotate, shrink down and modify shots.

There's a difference between artistic photography and just 'snapping a picture'. I've done both and really, they're pretty different. I have friends that can vouch for me on that.
Ugh, I need to do that too. I can't decide if I should try to widen the neckhole or just sand down the neck. Probably the neck.

Anyway, at least you're not printing photos. I'm in a B&W film class and oh sweet Jesus is printing a b***h. I run through a minimum three sheets of ******** expensive photo paper trying to get things right. gonk
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:28 am


Herr Astro: Depends on what kind of head and what kind of neck? Lawl. Sometimes you might have to do both.

Oh s**t probably. I'd love to get into printing my pictures but haha. :];

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:21 pm


Photo printing... .___. like in a red-illuminated darkroom and everything?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:59 pm


Oh that'd be interesting, I always wondered how that would work-- but I think I'll just let the computer do it for me if that were the case.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:02 pm


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I agree. I do think (from my experience at meetups. Not to be bashing on anyone but this is just what I have experienced over about 5 years) that a lot of the people create personalities and project them upon their dolls because they are lonely and/or have poor social skills.


I'm niether lonely nor do I have poor social skills and my doll has a personality and a "backstory". I'm actually a very social person because I own and train GSDs and show my dogs, plus I'm also a co-leader for my 4H dog group, I also have many friends and like to go shopping, etc, so I don't see why you think people have to be "lonely" or "poor social skills" to own a doll with a personality. It's what the owner wants. Dolls are a hobby, a very expensive hobby, so if the person wants to give their doll a personality and a backstory, fine, let em, and respect their choice.


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And oh man oh man, agreeing so hard with XShe_JokerX on the gay thing.


If people want a gay doll, that's their choice. I don't see why it's considered overrated when "straight" couples could be considered overrated... stare

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To me, the doll hobby means nothing. Most of the doll fans I meet terrify me as people, and I try to stay away from them.


Then why are you in it?? confused
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:21 pm


I believe that the people are in the doll hobby for the dolls, not the owners, and that's the only reason you should be in it anyway. And I'm saying gay as in male/male, not girl/girl, because there's not enough of that.

We're not specifically accusing you... You sound a little offended.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:24 pm


`MaliceMizer
Photo printing... .___. like in a red-illuminated darkroom and everything?
Actually it's more of a brown, but yeah. :'D

YaoiKween: Uh, yeah. I'm in the doll hobby because I like the dolls, not the other people that own the dolls.

And oh s**t lesbian dolls would be awesome.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:22 pm


YEAH, RIGHT? Or some futa/transsexual.

I really want an intersexed doll. I wonder, if I got the bodies of a male and female, could I string the pieces together? That'd be so cool...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:19 pm


Someone's done a transgendered doll. Zamiel...I think the name was. There's one on DoA that identifies as male and another that identifies as female. :3
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:00 pm


XShe_JokerX
Someone's done a transgendered doll. Zamiel...I think the name was. There's one on DoA that identifies as male and another that identifies as female. :3


Here's Zamiel, harr.

http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109338

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:23 am


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We talk to babies who have no clue what we're saying yet, because we like to chatter, as do we with pets.

Babies learn from what we are saying. There are also ways to communicate with small children by hand gestures. It's proven. They also understand altruism.

When you say "Sit" to a dog, it understands through training. So eventually they learn commands.


----On topic----

I think it's silly to give the dolls an in-depth background unless you're a writer using your dolls as characters (which, for the most part, owners do with photostories) Which is why some of them have sexual preference.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:26 am


`MaliceMizer
YEAH, RIGHT? Or some futa/transsexual.

I really want an intersexed doll. I wonder, if I got the bodies of a male and female, could I string the pieces together? That'd be so cool...
Actually, I came REALLY close to doing that. It's conceivable if you get body parts that are similar in skintone and size, and have the same type of torso joint system. You'd have to do some sanding and whatnot, but it's doable. It'd probably be easier to get a female body and sand down the tits or get a female doll and sculpt a p***s on it.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:04 am


Ah. For some reason it's not as good as I envisioned. How would you sculpt a piece of your doll though? What would you make it out of?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:30 pm


Interesting discussion. I think that for the most part, at least from what I've seen, it isn't so much people making up stories about inanimate hunks of resin, it is mostly people giving already existing characters from their stories or RPs a physical embodiment in resin. The giving them backstories bit is no different to any other person writing a story, novel, or RP character-a character with no history or personality is not very interesting. Giving them a name, history and a personality makes them more interesting and perhaps more real. I have to make it clear, though, that many of us don't actually think that our dolls really like/dislike things/have thoughts/feelings of their own. If I say "Damien would never wear that shirt-he hates pink!", all I'm really saying is " I don't like the way pink looks on him and it doesn't suit the character I've assigned him." I don't genuinely think that he has feelings about said shirt one way or the other.
I think it also comes from the fact that these dolls look human. To me, it doesn't seem much of a stretch for people to give them names. After all, many people name other inanimate objects-stuffed animals, houses, cars, etc. Those look a lot less like people and we treat them the same way, so it is only logical that with dolls, we take it a step farther and give them a personality and backstory. For some people, that backstory is something tht they can relate to, as it is based on occurrences in their own life. For others, that story is something completely unlike everything they've ever experienced. Some are probably a mix of the two. In any case, those are all ways for the owners to explore different ideas and themes with their dolls. For some it's a serious excercise in writing and creating a whole new world with characters they're genuinely atached to and care about. For others, it's just a bit of fun and a way to make their dolls something more than a pretty object on a shelf.
As for dolls being gay for other dolls and straight for their owners-I have to say WTF? Like...they're their owner's boy/girlfriend or something? Cos that's...kinda weird if they're serious. One of my guys has a boyfriend. He (as in the character, not the hunk or resin sitting on my bedroom shelf, although they're sort of the same thing) isn't gay (if asked, he'd probably define himself as omnisexual), he's just currently in a relationship with a guy. He's not straight for me, he's not straight for anyone, he just is. He's what he is and nothing more. As for the actual, physical doll...I'm not attracted to it/him in that sense. He's pretty, sure, but he. is. a. doll. I don't go around saying he's my boyfriend or anything like that. I don't do that with any of my guys. They are representations of characters, and pretty things to dress up and take pictures of, but in the end, they are not real. I and other owners may take them out for photoshoots and meets, talk about what they do/don't like, want or feel, but we know the dolls don't actually do those things. It all comes from us.
I think that for some people it may be a way to make a dolls something they wish they were and experience something different to what their own lives are like, but for some people it is the exact opposite-their dolls are/can be reflections of themselves. Then there are those of us who just enjoy creating characters who don't have any real connection to our lives, they're just interesting personalities we create.

Oh, and I almost forgot, about talking to them: I talk to my cat. I talk to my computer. I talk to the scanner at work when it isn't functioning properly. I also talk to my dolls. In every case, I am not expecting a response...except maybe from the cat. XD I don't hold conversations, exactly, it's more like "You stupid scanner/cat/computer/annoying little git(this in the case of a doll), why won't you work/shut up/stop freezing/stand up so I can take this picture?" I'm just talking and getting my frustration out, I'm not truly expecting any of them to give me a reason for not cooperating. If people are actually holding conversations in the way that children sometimes do, as in: person talks to doll, listens for a minute as if doll is responding, talks to doll again, listens for response...lather, rinse,repeat...then there mayyyy be something slightly off. Or not. Who am I to say it's wrong or weird? I can say that the people I know don't do that as far as I know, though.

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citronette
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:32 pm


`MaliceMizer
Ah. For some reason it's not as good as I envisioned. How would you sculpt a piece of your doll though? What would you make it out of?
Epoxy resin. :'D
I'm sure you could convince someone to do it for comission. I have a feeling that Armeleia would do it.

If any doll companies would actually go for it, I would totally run around with the idea and be like "GUIZE, GUIZE, WE WANT HERMAPHRODITIC DOLLIES."
Except I think there are probably like 3 people out there that want them.
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