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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:46 pm


I chose Abigail as one, because she dressed liked a slut and had it coming to her. She should have realized that Gregory wouldn't have cared otherwise (Unless he really liked that sort of stuff and was egotistical) Plus it was mean of her to have sex with someone else when she and Gregory were going out.

Sinbad was next, because he shouldn't of taken advantage of her regardless of what she wore, because he's a ship captain and he shouldn't of tried to break Gregory and Abigiail's bond.

I was just pissed with Slug, because it was mean to beat up Gregory, even though he did deserve it, Abigail was also at fault for wearing skimpy clothing and betraying her loved one.

Gregory acted really bad by dumping Abigail like that, because all she wanted was to look nice for him.

Then Ivan didn't get involved, which I'm glad that even though he should of help so that this whole crisis was averted (like finding some other way of getting across or something) you can't really blame someone of just staying nuetral. Since even though he didn't help he didn't harm, but just cause he's her friend it doesn't force him to anything even though he should, it was his opinion to stay out of it so I respect that.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:55 pm


Nasir... it was rape... she had no choice in the matter... :/


Also, you can't say that Ivan didn't hurt... he did hurt.
And that's not an opinion, Nair, it's plain out betrayal and abandonment.
If she was really his friend, he wouldn't care what happened to him, and try to help her.



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:03 pm


Oh, I see why I was confusing now--I didn't change my answer. It's for the better, because I STILL don't know who I want to pick as one. >.>;

I guess Gregory and Sinbad were tied for one (since I confused Kurai, sorry XD) because Abigail was only in the wrong for 1) dressing like a skank and 2) getting revenge. If you had the choice of getting thrown to hungry alligators or having sex with some creep, which would you choose, especially if you're doing all of this to see someone you love? She didn't have sex with Sinbad because she wanted to, she had no choice.

I picked Abigail as number three for the aforementioned reasons. Ivan next because he should've at least tried to help. He and Slug have opposite problems--Slug shouldn't have gotten involved because he had nothing to do with it, but Ivan really really should have done something, at least. xP And Slug was last.

What do you mean by "relating to" a character? Like their stories? I feel like I'd relate with Slug a bit. I feel like I sometimes worry about my friends a lot, and I do think that at least one of them takes advantage of that sometimes... ._. Also Abigail. I dress conservatively and would NEVER wear anything skimpy in public, but I do know how it feels to do your best to make somebody happy and then get kicked in the face for it.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:10 pm


Nomad Rath
Nasir... it was rape... she had no choice in the matter... :/

Heehee. Actually, what's funny about that is that it was technically consensual. Because she made no move to resist, in a court of law, Sinbad would go free. He's a creep, but she consented. Sorry to play the devil's advocate. :3

Nonono! I'm encouraging interpersonal communication, at this point. :3 Will talking to others make your lists change? We'll see! biggrin

Huey: Think about how you read the story at first. Read it one more time. Do you feel as if you saw something from one character's point of view more than others? Is it because you're closest in persona to that character, or just the opposite? A fascinating thing, psychology. :3

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:12 pm


Bah... screw the court of law.... :/
It may not be politically correct, but she was raped... he should go down for it.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:13 pm


Then I still relate to Abigail and Slug. ^^

Well, it was legally not rape, but in my mind, she was forced into it, which is taking advantage of her anyways, which...is not good. D:<

kidcomrade


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:14 pm


Oh, I'm not defending him. I know it's rape. But legally, it's not. I just found that fact odd. Sad, really.

We know she was forced into it and didn't have a choice, but unfortunately, the defense would definitely have a good case.

Sinbad is still very icky. :/ Creep.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:47 pm


I can only related to Slug, sadly. My friends remarked that I'm quick to the fists, rather then talking it out, when it comes to my friends. I had some bad experiences with friends as a kid, so I'm pretty loyal to my current friends now [they are so wonderful, I always feel safe and secure around them].

As for the way Abigail was dressed, yes, it is indecent, but we all have a right to dress the way we want. I don't exactly hate those clothing, but I don't say yes to it either. I just think that anyone should be able to express themselves in anyway they want.

It is wrong for her to get revenge and enjoy it, but it seems like human nature to me. The laughing is overdone to me, but the feelings of hurt after being rejected when she went though so much for him can really effect someone, especially when they're in shock after a rape. People tend to do things without thinking when they're emotionally unstable, so I can't wholeheartedly blame her. Yes, I am biased, but I just... am a feminist. >___>;;

Sinbad. I can never ever related or sympathize with rapists. Sure, I may say it in jest, but I really cannot stomach the thought of it in real life. I fear them myself and I can never feel secure and safe around men because of my paranoia of being raped. It just... really really sickens me and I would truly take my life before getting raped if given a choice.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:15 pm


Recamen

1. Sinbad--Just because she WAS asking for it doesn't make rape any less of a crime.
2. Gregory--Way to stand up for your "lover", you a**. =/ Granted, the situation between Abigail and Sinbad does sound suspicious looking from his point of view, but... if she'd really been having a love affair with him, I doubt she'd be so quick to tell.
3. Abigail--Tough call between her and Slug, but I'll say her because a) Love doesn't require sexy outfits and b) She's only going to inspire more hatred by laughing at the beating.
4. Slug--The only thing I think he's guilty for is being too passionate and a bit stupid. Gregory was an a**, sure, but I don't think he deserved to be punished quite like that.
5. Ivan--I really don't see him doing anything wrong here. But, maybe that's because I feel that's what I'd have done in his situation.

And that's how I see it.

These were mine. I personally sympathize with Ivan--why? Simply put, the love affair between Abigail and Gregory was in no way any of his business, and frankly, would've been a pain in the a** to assist in.
Then again, his situation reminded me strongly of my ex-girlfriend. This time last year, she was:
A) Staying asleep come hell or high water 'til noon due to having to take certain meds,
B) Not doing much homework or doing well in any class,
C) Playing WoW to escape from that and NOT GETTING BETTER NO MATTER WHAT THAT OR I DID TO HELP HER,
D) All-around f***ked up.

Did I try to help her? Yes, I did. Hell, I even saw a guidance counselor because I was actually concerned she may become depressed enough to hurt herself! She was around me literally 24/7, and did she get better? Was I any better off for it? The answer to both questions is a resounding "NO". She left, and even I realized the relationship was in no way, shape, or form going to work.
The point of this story is that I realized that sometimes, helping out a friend doesn't solve a problem; sometimes, you only drag yourself down with the friend. In this case, I feel that Ivan may actually have done the right thing. Besides, in not doing so, he (however inadvertently) exposed Gregory's own shallow nature. If anything, Gregory ought to have been the one to do something about the situation, but did he? No. Hence, he's a*****e #2 (right behind Sinbad for the reasons I stated above).
Just because a friend doesn't help you with one thing doesn't mean they're betraying you, you know. [/rant]
On a lighter note, Deghinsea earns cool points for equating Slug to Ike and being QFT about it. 3nodding
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:14 pm


1.Slug
2.Sinbad
3.Abigail
4.Gregory
5.Ivan
explanation:
1.For kick Gregory's a** without knowing the full story of what happen.
2.For raping even if she was asking for it.
3.She shouldn't have dress like that even if she was doing it for the man she loves. At least have the idea of putting it underneath regular clothes.
4.Listen to what she had to say rather then cloud your judgement with morals.
5.He didn't do anthing wrong in my opinion, because love is a private affair, if Abigail wanted his help she would have asked and probibly got it. Other than that, I would have done the same.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:27 pm


Nomad Rath
Also, you can't say that Ivan didn't hurt... he did hurt.
And that's not an opinion, Nair, it's plain out betrayal and abandonment.
If she was really his friend, he wouldn't care what happened to him, and try to help her.



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I agree that we should discuss, but it IS an opinion. At the end of the day, Abigail can't blame her friends for what happens to her I think. And betrayal and abandonment seem to describe Abigail and Gregory just as easily. Ivan might not be a very good friend, but that doesn't seem nearly as bad as what everyone else in the story did.
Not taking action is certainly not doing good, but doing bad is still worse.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:02 pm


I'm just sick of all five of them. Personally, this situation is a no-win heap of garbage, and I have difficulty relating to any of them.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:11 pm


Mewtation
Gregory - Even after Abigail went through all of that for him, he still shunned her. Karma's a b***h.
Sinbad - Driven by his own lusts. Exercise some control, man!
Ivan - While doing nothing is better than doing something stupid, apathy can sometimes be more dangerous than action. Especially if he's such a 'good friend'.
Slug - Took matters into his own hands and exacted justice. Violence isn't the answer, but his heart was in the right place.
Abigail - Driven by love, she did some stupid things. But honestly, haven't we all been there?


And I don't think my views have changed. Is that bad?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:27 pm


Cortesa
1) Abigail - Although hurt by Gregory's words, she still laughed and was overjoyed as her lover was brutally beaten up by Slug.

2) Sinbad - The only reason he doesn't get the top slot is because of Abigail's laughter in the end. He was pretty much the center of all the issues by being unable to control his lust and making Abigail decide between alligators and himself.

3) Gregory - If he really loved her, then he would have cared for her, not "cast her aside with disdain". Abigail risked herself to see him, and he just flat out rejects her.

4) Slug - He was driven strongly by his emotions... a little too strongly. Still, he was there for Abigail, so I give him credit for that.

5) Ivan - He wasn't really involved at all because he chose not to be... He really didn't do anything wrong.

This was mine.
My opinions stay the same, too.
Ivan still stays last because yes, he didn't do anything, but what could he have done?

Cortesa


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:11 pm


Uh huh... time for my explinations, which are mostly based on ideal moral/honor ((My own, of course)) and less on conjecture.

1) Sinbad. He raped Abigail, much less coercing her into it, the fault is obvious. His reasoning is irrelevant, assuming his decision to rape her was voluntary on his part. I don't buy the fact that he couldn't help himself, regardless of how attractively she was dressed, his actions were voluntary on his part. Even if this doesn't come as a suprise based on the manner of man Sinbad is, his actions were immoral and dishonorable.

2) Slug. Unneccesary violence as a means to solve Abigail's problem is wrong in my book. While I can sympathize with his reasons, it does not justify revenge. And honestly, I would have rathered Slug go kick Sinbad's butt, although it STILL wouldn't be right.

3) Gregory; I'm going to assume that Gregory is also in love with Abigail, although the prompt doesn't specifically say it, but rather hints at it by calling the two lovers. I mean, why doesn't he ever go see his girlfriend? I'm sure Sinbad is not going to rape him... While Gregory is not obligated to remain loving Abigail after she was raped, I do feel that he is being unforgiving and unsympathetic. If I didn't know any better, I'd say he was only intrested in one thing concerning her.

4) Ivan. He technically didn't do anything, but that is the reason why he is in spot #4. Allowing Abigail to travel with Sinbad alone was irresponsible. If I knew a little more about Ivan, like WHY he didn't want to get involved, I could come to a sounder conclusion about him.

5) Abigail. Abigail... Abigail... Abigail... I'll grant that she wasn't very smart getting on that ship, but she didn't have it coming. There was no guarentee that, even with a dirty looking captain named "Sinbad", she was going to get raped. The events that took place on that boat were purely circumstancial. However, I do not agree how she could laugh at her boyfriend when he got beat up. I'm guessing they really didn't love each other after all.
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