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Would you go camping?
BOO YAH! Lemme grab my pack!
50%
 50%  [ 6 ]
I've never gone camping, but I think I'd enjoy it.
16%
 16%  [ 2 ]
I've never gone camping, and I'm not really interested.
0%
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I've no interest in meeting you people, especially in a secluded area in another state.
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 33%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 12


LordNeuf
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:21 am


So... anyone have any camping related questions or any objection to Niagara Falls?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:42 pm


And now... The Tongue in Cheek Sarcastic Production Of...

KEEPING KOSHER WHILST CAMPING

or

Geeze did you pack enough stuff??

The whole thing about camping and keeping kosher is one of the main reasons Jews like to stay in hotels. Remembering Kosher means Clean, so lets go over how to keep a clean eating environment while reduced to primitive forms of sanitation and food storage.

RULE ONE : Plan your menu carefully.

If you want to keep strict kosher rules while in the forest, and do not want to mix milk or meat on the same plate. The simple solution is don't bring milk... or don't bring meat. If you're car camping, keep a cooler full of steaks, burgers, chickens, and bring your meat dishes along. For longer treks deeper into the woods, bring kosher freeze dried meals and here's another hint... some brands smoked salmon that comes in those laminated packages does NOT require refrigeration. Also canned goods and powdered soup do not require refrigeration, however cans are heavy.

RULE TWO : What to do on Shabbat

Well as you all know, you cannot light a fire, or turn on a stove or set up your nifty "jet-boil" system to make a few eggs on Shabbat. However this does not mean you cannot have a nice fire with lots of logs and burning coals that's already going. That brings us to our best friend.

The Dutch Oven
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The one pictured above is SPECIFICALLY designed for open fire cooking. Good wire bale for hanging over flames... AND... legs and a concave lid. The legs and the lid are designed so you can spread out coals... put the pot on the coals without smothering them, put your food in the pot, put the lid on, and add coals on top of the lid. BOOM a 350 degree oven that will stay hot so long as you keep up with fresh coals. You're not dousing or kindling a flame, you're simply moving hot coals, which is not prohibited.

What's that you say? A griddle you need for latkes? No problem... take the lid off the pot, put the pot upside down near the fire, put coals between the legs... put the lid upside down over the legs... and the bottom of the lid becomes the top of the griddle.

If you happen to be in an area that doesn't allow open fires, then you're left with the wonderful world of dried fruit and dried meat. Pemmican... OM NOM NOM.

RULE THREE : PLATES AND STUFF

Well many people wonder what is a good thing to bring camping? Lexan plastic cups and plates? Those metal ones with the speckled enamel paint? What about silverware? Stainless Steel? Aluminum? Titanium?

Honest answer... I will swear by REI's camping selection. I love REI products and they can have as much money as they want for them. They sell everything you could possibly need, and remember... what ever they sell at REI, you can find knockoffs for cheap at Wal-Mart. Sure, You can buy a very nice mess kit at REI for 20 bucks made out of lightweight indestructible plastic, OR... you could go to Wal Mart and spend 5 bucks on an aluminum one that looks like it would destroy itself after the 5th use... but how ofter are you going to use it? The only question you have in regards to camping gear are how much money you want to spend, and how often are you going to use it.

Jews have existed with the strict rules of shabbat since antiquity, they knew how to cook food, they knew what would keep without refrigeration, they knew how to make cholent without ovens. A little practice, a little know how, and a little faith in yourself, and you can survive in the wilderness without the comforts of technology.

With our collective knowledge, we can most surely figure this out ourselves.

LordNeuf
Crew


darkphoenix1247
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:48 pm


So.... I'm confused- would we meet at Niagara Falls to go camping, or meet at NY somewhere and then go?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:04 pm


darkphoenix1247
So.... I'm confused- would we meet at Niagara Falls to go camping, or meet at NY somewhere and then go?


I think it would be easier for all parties involved to all just meet at Niagara Falls.

LordNeuf
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:45 pm


LordNeuf
So in regards to the fence.

Would a rope and a dozen wooden stakes do the trick?


The laws of eiruvin are seriously complicated, and I haven't made any study of them whatsoever. I couldn't say.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:51 pm


Cast iron is great for cooking, but not so great for schlepping. If we're hiking up to a campsite, believe me, you don't want to bring this cast iron Dutch oven, no matter how good it is (and yes, I have one of that sort, so I'm aware of how good it is, and how heavy it is).

I've just learned that a good friend of mine owns a villa in Santorini, and she's asked me to come visit her. I think that's where I'll be spending my travel budget this year, rather than camping. I'll still be pleased to offer suggestions, but count me out for the actual visit, sadly.

Oh, and yes, good idea: all minors required to be in the company of a parent or legal guardian. It's by far the safest way to conduct any group meeting. G*D forbid anything should go wrong while you're out there, but if anyone does get injured or lost, you need someone around who can make legal or medical decisions on your behalf.

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darkphoenix1247
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:04 pm


Divash


Oh, and yes, good idea: all minors required to be in the company of a parent or legal guardian. It's by far the safest way to conduct any group meeting. G*D forbid anything should go wrong while you're out there, but if anyone does get injured or lost, you need someone around who can make legal or medical decisions on your behalf.


That and when meeting online people in person, somebody should always know where you are at all times, who you're with, and preferably just be there with you.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:21 pm


Considering I live in NF, if anyone wants to leave numbers with me mother or anything (if parentals wanna get a hold..), or needs a place to crash before or after camping, before travelling home.. anyone is welcomed to stay at my place.

In Medias Res II


darkphoenix1247
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:16 am


In Medias Res II
Considering I live in NF, if anyone wants to leave numbers with me mother or anything (if parentals wanna get a hold..), or needs a place to crash before or after camping, before travelling home.. anyone is welcomed to stay at my place.

Thanks for the offer, but make sure that nobody is a crazy stalker person first, though! blaugh

Random, but when was everybody thinking of meeting? My dad has to choose his vacation schedule for next year by the end of September, and I can't come before school is over. (My summer is like May 27th or so to the beginning of August or later depending on where I go to college)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:22 pm


Ok... first tentative dates:

First Weekend in June.

Show up Friday Morning, do sabbath and havdallah, Sunday we go hiking or swimming or fishing or whatever, maybe take in a few sites on monday before we all go home.

How's that work? Questions? Comments? Complaints?

LordNeuf
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:49 am


I almost certainly won't be able to come, unfortunately, but I do have a suggestion: show up at least Thursday, if not before, so that you can be SURE that your camp is fully set up, and have at least one day of practice at lighting a fire and keeping it lit all day and all night. I'd actually suggest a full week if at all possible, camping from Sunday to Sunday, but only if you can schlep all the food you'll need and keep it fresh until the following Shabbat.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:56 pm


LordNeuf
Ok... first tentative dates:

First Weekend in June.

Show up Friday Morning, do sabbath and havdallah, Sunday we go hiking or swimming or fishing or whatever, maybe take in a few sites on monday before we all go home.

How's that work? Questions? Comments? Complaints?

There is no way that if I can make it from MO to there in the morning... June itself sounds good, though.

darkphoenix1247
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LordNeuf
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:16 pm


Alright, in the interest of all... Thursday will be the start date, gives us a bit more time to prepare for sabbath and what not. I dunno if we can do a full Sunday to Sunday without running into food and fuel issues.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:31 pm


I have nooo idea.

We could always swim in my pool and roast marshmallow and stuff at my place ninja . You cannot ever, will not ever, get me in a North American lake/ocean/ any body of water XD

A whole week of camping may make me go crazy.

In Medias Res II


darkphoenix1247
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:54 pm


In Medias Res II
I have nooo idea.

A whole week of camping may make me go crazy.


xd Me, too.

I know this is really far in advance, but would anybody be able to give a definite yay or nay in about 2 weeks? My dad has to choose his work schedule then (he's a doctor) and doesn't get many days off for vacation...
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