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 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:38 pm
mazuac Also, at Neuf, that's pretty cool! ^^ But, what's a Jesuit Priest? Jesuits are part of the counter-reformation. Founded in 1530 by Ignatius of Loyola. Loosely means "The Society of Jesus." Since the reformers kept criticizing the papists for being corrupt, who lived lavish lives while their congregations were impoverished. Not to mention the fact that many people illiterate and uneducated except for the interpretations of what the nobles or the priests would tell them. Ignatius and his followers took to the ideas of being priests and scholars and to maintain vow of poverty while educating themselves in the fields of... science, math, natural philosophy (physics), literature, general and specific forms of education, and carrying on their knowledge to others who wished to learn from it. This is one thing that lead to the baroque movement in renaissance artwork. Having people create art to beautify their community with depictions of martyrs and saints and angels and all sorts of spiritual heavenly things, without having it be condemned as idolatry. However they still have unwaivering devotion to The Pope. Ignatius had written as part of his tenets... "If I see something that is white, and The Pope says it is in fact black, then it is in fact black." Basically Jesuits were completely supporting everything that Puritans were against. Just as an example, Puritans were against any kind of art that would bring attention to their faith. Also public celebrations and any state mandated religious observances. This is best shown during 1653 when Oliver Cromwell, a puritan, took over England, dissolved the monarchy and outlawed Christmas celebrations greater than the simple mass as per scribed in Puritan customs. This of course led to rioting, which is why Cromwell's Commonwealth didn't last very long after his death in 1658. So in short, a Jesuit would approve of those spinning crosses you have in your letter head, but a Puritan would not.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:52 pm
LordNeuf also if you want to know more about the reformation, lemme know. I could go on and on about puritanism. Also... I was involved in a living history museum, I played a Rabbi from the Netherlands named Spinosa who was hired by John Endicott to teach him Hebrew as Endicott, a Puritan Separatist and Governor of the Salem Colony wanted Hebrew to be the common tounge of the people in the Americas. True Story. However Spinosa eventually went back to the Netherlands, it was to much to be the only Jew in a puritan colony. But still I took up his role. Didn't he become a pantheist and hated by most Jews of that time? And if so, why on earth would they want him teaching Hebrew?
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:55 pm
mazuac Divash I apologize for continually stripping off your formatting (green italicized text), but it's hard for me to read, so I just take it out when I want to see what you've written and respond to it. It's fine ^^ I know this is a Jewish Guild, but this is how I usually post, and I am not having the "Jesus Saves" thing as a form of conversion. I am seriously interested in Judaism, not to convert or anything, but to learn about it. I don't think anyone thought of it as a conversion-coercion attempt. I just can't read the colored text very easily unless it's the dark red, dark blue, or indigo. (I also can't read anything smaller than the normal print size.) EDITED TO ADD: Now that I think of it, though, anything spinning, rotating, flashing, or moving in any way is a powerful distraction and detraction from the text it's meant to highlight. It's hard to read the words that are meaningful when the eye keeps darting up to look at the moving thing.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:36 pm
darkphoenix1247 Didn't he become a pantheist and hated by most Jews of that time? And if so, why on earth would they want him teaching Hebrew? Different Spinosa, the Spinosa I played returned back to Amsterdam, but converted to Calvinism because he fit better with the Puritans in Salem than the Jews in Amsterdam. The Spinosa you're talking about never left the shores of Europe. Yes he was a pantheist and believed that HASHEM created the world in seven days as written in the Torah, and then... sat back and watched. He also believed that everything and everyone was chosen by HASHEM and that the Orthodoxy should cast away Talmudic law and try to compromise with Christian culture. For this, he was excommunicated from the Orthodoxy, (and this is in fact the only occurrence of it that I know of) and his name literally crossed out from books that kept records or recorded his social standing, education and anything else that had his name on it. As opposed to Christian excommunication, he wasn't put on public display as a warning to others if they decided to go against his community. He became Persona non Gratis, he didn't exist anymore in their community. Ironically, Baal Shem Tov, who founded the Chassidic movement, also had pantheist ideals when it came to his relation with HASHEM. But two things, The Spinosa I portrayed was from Amsterdam, and the Spinosa you're talking about was from Portugal, who relocated to Rotterdam after his excommunication.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:01 am
Weird- Spinosa is a much more common name than I thought! Thanks for the info! ^^
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:57 pm
Divash mazuac Divash I apologize for continually stripping off your formatting (green italicized text), but it's hard for me to read, so I just take it out when I want to see what you've written and respond to it. It's fine ^^ I know this is a Jewish Guild, but this is how I usually post, and I am not having the "Jesus Saves" thing as a form of conversion. I am seriously interested in Judaism, not to convert or anything, but to learn about it. I don't think anyone thought of it as a conversion-coercion attempt. I just can't read the colored text very easily unless it's the dark red, dark blue, or indigo. (I also can't read anything smaller than the normal print size.) EDITED TO ADD: Now that I think of it, though, anything spinning, rotating, flashing, or moving in any way is a powerful distraction and detraction from the text it's meant to highlight. It's hard to read the words that are meaningful when the eye keeps darting up to look at the moving thing.  Jesus... I am very bad at internet sarcasm, so was the ADD thing a joke or...?
Also, is this better, Divash? I took off the Italics so.. yea~ ...My Lord, Savior, and Friend
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:06 pm
mazuac I am very bad at internet sarcasm, so was the ADD thing a joke or...? I'm fairly certain that it was used in context as "addition." Meaning she forgot to say it and edited to add it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:36 pm
LordNeuf mazuac I am very bad at internet sarcasm, so was the ADD thing a joke or...? I'm fairly certain that it was used in context as "addition." Meaning she forgot to say it and edited to add it.  He has Redeemed Me!Though I Wow, I feel stupid XD Anyways, I made a new one, one that doesn't spin. So yeah~ am undeserving, He gave his life for mine.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:46 am
mazuac Divash EDITED TO ADD: Now that I think of it, though, anything spinning, rotating, flashing, or moving in any way is a powerful distraction and detraction from the text it's meant to highlight. It's hard to read the words that are meaningful when the eye keeps darting up to look at the moving thing. I am very bad at internet sarcasm, so was the ADD thing a joke or...? Also, is this better, Divash? I took off the Italics so.. yea~ The italics aren't really the problem. The problem is the green color. But that's my issue, not everyone else's, so if no one else seems to have issue with it, don't worry too much about it. And no, the ADD thing wasn't a joke. It is absolutely serious. Flashing, moving, spinning stuff is a serious distraction from what you're saying. I'm interested in what you have to say, so the movement is irritating. In fact, if I can see it while trying to read someone else's post as well, it's just as irritatingly distracting. Big huge crosses, fine. Big (or even little) moving crosses... blech.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:04 pm
Divash mazuac Divash EDITED TO ADD: Now that I think of it, though, anything spinning, rotating, flashing, or moving in any way is a powerful distraction and detraction from the text it's meant to highlight. It's hard to read the words that are meaningful when the eye keeps darting up to look at the moving thing. I am very bad at internet sarcasm, so was the ADD thing a joke or...? Also, is this better, Divash? I took off the Italics so.. yea~ The italics aren't really the problem. The problem is the green color. But that's my issue, not everyone else's, so if no one else seems to have issue with it, don't worry too much about it. And no, the ADD thing wasn't a joke. It is absolutely serious. Flashing, moving, spinning stuff is a serious distraction from what you're saying. I'm interested in what you have to say, so the movement is irritating. In fact, if I can see it while trying to read someone else's post as well, it's just as irritatingly distracting. Big huge crosses, fine. Big (or even little) moving crosses... blech.  He has Redeemed Me!Though I Oh, haha ^^; Eh, I felt the crosses were to big, so I downsized them. But Green is my favorite color, so XD Anyways, thanks to everyone who helped me with this question! This guild has awesome members ^^ Thanks for all the help Divash, LordNeuuf and everyone else~ am undeserving, He gave his life for mine.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:13 pm
mazuac Anyways, thanks to everyone who helped me with this question! This guild has awesome members ^^ Thanks for all the help Divash, LordNeuuf and everyone else~ Leaving so soon? But we've just scratched the surface. We have so much to learn from one another. We haven't even hit Tikkum Olam yet!
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:02 am
LordNeuf mazuac Anyways, thanks to everyone who helped me with this question! This guild has awesome members ^^ Thanks for all the help Divash, LordNeuuf and everyone else~ Leaving so soon? But we've just scratched the surface. We have so much to learn from one another. We haven't even hit Tikkum Olam yet! He has Redeemed Me!Though I Oooohh, what's that? It sounds... fanceh O: am undeserving, He gave his life for mine.
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:46 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:41 pm
Tikkun Olam: "Repairing the World."
The midrash ("teaching story") goes like this. In the very beginning, the holiness of Hashem was spread throughout the universe. But even the universe, in all its expanses, was simply too great to contain it! So the universe shattered into infinite "pieces," each containing its own spark of holiness. Some of the pieces were matter, some were feelings, some were possibilities, some were intentions. Hashem formed the pieces into the universe as we now experience it. The adam ("human being," a word applicable to both genders) was created for a specific purpose: for taking those sparks and releasing them back into the universe. This is done by doing a holy thing or a permitted thing (neither holy nor evil) with an object; by taking a necessary or encouraged action; by expressing an appropriate feeling; by obeying a mitzvah (Biblical commandment, a sacred obligation).
As a very great rabbi was explaining this concept once, one of his brighter students asked, "Rabbi, is this true? Everything in the universe contains a spark of holiness?"
"Everything," confirmed the rabbi.
"But really, everything? Even sin?" asked the student, wanting to understand more fully.
The rabbi smiled. "Yes, even sin. For if a sinful action is performed, then the person who does it has an opportunity that would otherwise be denied to him. He has the chance to recognize his own mistake, and to correct it through sincere repentance. Repentance is only possible for one who has sinned. To repent is to struggle with an evil temptation that has won before, and to overcome it."
"And what is repentance?" asked the student.
The rabbi answered, "True, sincere repentance is to be faced with a situation that is similar to the situation that led to wrongdoing in the past, but to instead turn to the right action instead. We repent in our hearts at first, but this is incomplete. Complete repentance also requires action."
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:41 am
Divash Tikkun Olam: "Repairing the World." The midrash ("teaching story") goes like this. In the very beginning, the holiness of Hashem was spread throughout the universe. But even the universe, in all its expanses, was simply too great to contain it! So the universe shattered into infinite "pieces," each containing its own spark of holiness. Some of the pieces were matter, some were feelings, some were possibilities, some were intentions. Hashem formed the pieces into the universe as we now experience it. The adam ("human being," a word applicable to both genders) was created for a specific purpose: for taking those sparks and releasing them back into the universe. This is done by doing a holy thing or a permitted thing (neither holy nor evil) with an object; by taking a necessary or encouraged action; by expressing an appropriate feeling; by obeying a mitzvah (Biblical commandment, a sacred obligation). As a very great rabbi was explaining this concept once, one of his brighter students asked, "Rabbi, is this true? Everything in the universe contains a spark of holiness?" "Everything," confirmed the rabbi. "But really, everything? Even sin?" asked the student, wanting to understand more fully. The rabbi smiled. "Yes, even sin. For if a sinful action is performed, then the person who does it has an opportunity that would otherwise be denied to him. He has the chance to recognize his own mistake, and to correct it through sincere repentance. Repentance is only possible for one who has sinned. To repent is to struggle with an evil temptation that has won before, and to overcome it." "And what is repentance?" asked the student. The rabbi answered, "True, sincere repentance is to be faced with a situation that is similar to the situation that led to wrongdoing in the past, but to instead turn to the right action instead. We repent in our hearts at first, but this is incomplete. Complete repentance also requires action." He has Redeemed Me!Though I Wow, that's interesting! I'll be sure to read LordNeuf's post on this as well~
Also, a question popped into my mind. Well, in Christianity, we pray to God a lot. Asking him for guidance, help, etc. Do the Jewish peoples do this as well? Do they/you pray to God for help, etc.? Just a random question that popped into my mind~ am undeserving, He gave his life for mine.
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