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 Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:11 pm
That was flipping awesome! I was stunned. sad Donna is going to die. I'm sad.. I liked Donna.
BTW That wasn't Torchwood with Rose. It was UNIT.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:55 pm
Turn Left = 'Doctor Who does that Sliding Doors movie with Gwenyth Paltrow'. Or I'm guessing that's the initial inspiration, not having actually seen anything more than the trailer for that movie. mrgreen
Anyway, another solid story, even if the whole 'giant beetle latches on to your back and creates an alternate universe around you to feed off the change in events' seems a bit of a stretch. Actually, more like a very, very big stretch. But it was neat, in a "What if...?" kind of way.
Apparently, Sarah Jane was in the hospital during 'Smith and Jones'. Must have been on a different floor from the Doctor and Martha, since we didn't see her in the original episode.
Bad Wolf. Hmm. If they're bringing that idea back, I hope they're going to utilize it better than they did in series 1.
The sucky part of this episode was Rose. She just didn't really talk like the Rose we saw in series 1 and 2. I wonder if Billie Piper forgot what she used to sound like. It was just weird.
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Hairy Priest Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:58 pm
When she first showed up in the episode, she sounded like the old Rose, but yeah, after that, she was just sort of odd.
Anyway, very cool episode, and OMG THE PREVIEW!!!! *flails*
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:01 pm
Once again a very good episode on this nice little run of ...well very good episodes so far 3nodding
In relation to the poll, I'd have to say i don't think it was as good as Utopia( i dont know why, i just loved utopia), but still pretty high up there. Perhaps because my sister called me after she watched it and gave me very very high expectations (she loved it). I found it then most frustrating that I couldnt then just watch it on iplayer, as I'm over in the states at the moment working for a month. I miss mai BBC Iplayer crying
Anyhow, back on topic yey Chantho! Evil!Chantho! Yey Rose! Yey bad wolf! Yey Donna! Yey trailer! Yey new doctor who promotional picture made of Awsome! ( Anyone know the one I mean? Its definately squee-worthy. And is most likely going to remain as my desktop wallpaper for a very long time)
However I was annoyed with the occasional plot holes( one example:I thought earth was supposed to be entirely destroyed when the titanic was meant to crash?)
Other then that and afew other things, it was good =]
Sorry I had nothing truly constructive to say this week sweatdrop
EDIT: Actually I watched it over again, and Utopia isn't better then it, they're both very different episodes.
Anyone else get a 'Children of Men' vibe when Donna was relocated? Damn that movie was sad...
O yeah and the preview for the next episode was very exciting, but after seeing Ianto and Gwen, it made me want Owen and Tosh back....alot. crying
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:53 pm
I thought Billie Piper did a fabulous job evolving the character from what we last saw in Doomsday. This Rose here has been forced to live in a new world, work for Torchwood, and now, is appearing to be jumping back and forth between worlds/timestreams in an effort to save literally EVERYTHING. I think experiences like that would harden a person just a bit. She's not acting like the same Rose from the previous seasons because she's NOT the same Rose.
Just my two cents, I know there's a lot of Billie-hate going on right now, but I thought she was fanTAStic. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:12 pm
It was personally one of my favorites. I liked how they showed the world without the doctor. At first i was going to say where is the master, but then i realized that if the doctor and martha never went to the future,he never got a chance to come back. I cant wait for the next episode, wish i had a TARDIS lol.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:03 pm
[squeeing intro]
Rose. Rose. Rose. Rose. Rose! ROSE!!!
*singing and dancing* I know her name! I know her name I know her name! It's Rose. R-O-S-E Rose! Rose Tyler! My Fav-orite companion! Goooooo Rose!
[/squeeing intro]
[actual comments of the episode]
1) I don't like a lot of drama in my life. I'm a very relaxed, easy-going, positive person, and I can't take it. These last ...*counts*...4 episodes in a row have been nail-biting, hand-grabbing, heart-stopping, gut-wrenching episodes! Turn Left had me crying nearly the whole way through: from the Doctor dying, to the appearance of Rose, to watching all those horrible things happen to Donna and her grandfather, the "labor camps", Gwen and Ianto and Jack, and finally Donna's self-sacrifice! I am emotionally exhausted after watching this season of Doctor Who. If the show continues in its intensely, then I am very happy that there's not going to be an actual season next year because I'm going to need a couple months to recover from each episode's damage to my psyche!
That being said, I thought it was a wonderful, amazing episode. RTD is the man, and the Doctor Who crew are TV gods and goddesses (and that includes writers and tech crew)!
I love Donna with a burning, fiery, ginger passion, and I am very pleased at the fact that she is "the most important person in the world." Rose shipper that I am, I'm fully aware of how much better for the Doctor she is than Miss Tyler, and I'm elated.
I agree that the whole giant beetle thing was a stretch, but I did love the whole bit where everyone thought they could almost see it, and it alerted Donna that something was very wrong, even though she didn't know what it was or what people almost saw.
I disagree that Donna's acting was bad, kinights. I think the way she said "Yeeaahh" was supposed to sound fake. Because it wasn't really her saying that. That's not who she was/is. It was supposed to be "off."
I think the whole point of focusing on the Adipose in America was to answer the whole discussion about how America was supposed to give 80 bajillion dollars to Britain, and then they got Adi-pned, and couldn't help them anymore, so it just made the situation worse.
Donna's mother is the absolute worst! She can just go ahead and stay in that parallel universe for good as far as I care! Hello? Donna is the most important person in the world! Can't you tell that?! b***h.
The Labor Camp thing had me bawling because I know in my heart that despite what some may claim, humanity is still not above that sort of thing, and it could very easily happen again. 5:1 says it's America that starts it.
Billie Piper is amazing. I love, love, love her as Rose, and I think she did a terrific job in this episode. Rose has traveled with 2 versions of the Doctor, fallen in love with and then ripped away from him and forced to live on a parallel universe where she inevitably starts working for either Torchwood or UNIT, where (as has been previously stated by TheLastTrueRomantic) she now has "to save literally EVERYTHING. I think experiences like that would harden a person just a bit. She's not acting like the same Rose from the previous seasons because she's NOT the same Rose." I think everyone on the set understood that, and Billie did an amazing job at portraying that experience. As for the accent, it was either one of two things: 1)Billie has been playing all these posh characters and forgotten how to talk like a chav, or 2) in the parallel universe, Rose had to lose the chav bit and speak properly in order for anyone at Torchwood/UNIT to take her seriously.
Also, did anyone else think Rose looked younger than she's supposed to be? Maybe it's just me, but I thought she did. More mature, yes, but still younger-looking. Random.
(LOL @ The Ood's picture comparison!)
Question: Is Rose's declaration that Donna will die fulfilled by her jumping in front of that truck, or is she still gonna kick it in a future episode? That part is unclear to me.
RogueModron: I think Sarah Jane was in the hospital because she knew the Doctor wouldn't be there because he was dead. Also, I agree about hoping they do a better job with the whole Bad Wolf thing.
I had this weird deja-vu when the episode started in this giant bazzar, and I think maybe there have been too many fan fictions with that exact scenario! xd
Finally, my absolute favorite part of the whole episode was the adorably affectionate way that the Doctor tells Donna that she's brilliant! Sooooooo cuuuuuuuttttteee!!!!!!! heart heart heart heart heart heart David Tennant is barely even in this episode, and yet he still leaves us with a magical memorable moment! There's a good boy.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:10 am
That was really ... depressing. At first The Doctor dies (Oh noes!), then we hear that Martha, Sarah Jane and the kids off the Sarah Jane Adventures are dead. And even Torchwood, but for me the most depressing thing was "Labor Camps", I don't why it just made me wan't to cry so much. Athough I did enjoy the Bohemian Rhapsody moment (I'm just that cheesy) it reminds me of the sort of thing I'd do, Randomly singing queen and beatles songs is just what I do "all you need is love!" Although I think "Help!" would better suit that situation..... (ok I will stop rambling now) I have found myself ashamed of my hate for Donna in The Runaway Bride, because after seeing this series I have to say shes one of my favourite companions. I Loved her in Silence in the Library, When Riversong was talking to Donna and she just says "What are you talking about?! Are you just talking rubbish?! Do you know him, or don't you?!" Brilliant! Anyway back to Turn Left, Rose wasnt as bad as I expected, I was so glad she didnt turn out like Martha did. But at the end of the episode when Donna started talking to the Doctor about what happened, I died of fangirl attacks, The look on the Doctors face when Donna said she was blonde! and then he started begging for her name *explodes* the Market looked so cool all bad wolfly, and even the TARDIS, that was surprising, But was it the TARDIS that did all that? EhmiEhmi I had this weird deja-vu when the episode started in this giant bazzar, and I think maybe there have been too many fan fictions with that exact scenario! xd Yeah, I know the feeling 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:46 am
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That was really really really good. xD Not much left to comment on, though, after reading through this entire thread. I loved it so much.
... I'm still convinced that the writers read fanfic. xd
EhmiEhmi Question: Is Rose's declaration that Donna will die fulfilled by her jumping in front of that truck, or is she still gonna kick it in a future episode? That part is unclear to me.
I don't think so. It has been foreshadowed that Donna will die, by River Song. To me, I saw the ultimatum more as: Donna saves the universe and dies, Donna lives in the messed up world but stays alive. Rose obviously knew that dying in the alternate world wouldn't kill her at the bazaar, since she waited until after Rose was hit by the truck to tell her 'Bad Wolf'. So I think she's still gonna die. :sobs:
Can Donna please be a Key Of Time? Just for the sake of oldWho? And if they kill her off... Well, S5 better be 'All that stuff that happened between episodes in S4'. stare
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:01 am
I loved this episode for all the reasons everyone's already covered. And I really did cry at the labour camp bit, it was very well done. At the moment I could well believe that our country would do something that cruel and stupid... mad
Two extra things occurred to me in the episode... one is that RTD must have serious mother issues, because all the companions mothers are horrible (though Donna's is the most believably horrible).
The other thing (that really made me smile) was the way UNIT and Rose had made a time-machine out of mirrors, just like the Victorians/Daleks did back in the day... Ah, any reference to the Troughton era and I'm there.
The beetle was a bit... underwhelming. I don't know... I kinda liked that is wasn't some glowy cgi slime monster but still...
Oh and though I love Donna, she did swing back to over-acting a bit in this episode. I guess it's cos the Doctor wasn't there to be louder and more insane than her.
Is it just me or have the new series' views on time swung back and forth a bit? Back when Rose saves her father that one action dooms a whole city (or is it the whole planet?). But then at the end of this episode the Doctor says that the beetle things can get away with changing little bits of people's lives because the universe just bends around them to compensate. That said, Donna's turning of her car turned out to be on the same scale as Rose saving her dad i.e. BIG. I wonder what events the beetle usually changes? Hmmm... *ponders*
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:43 am
Roobarb Oh and though I love Donna, she did swing back to over-acting a bit in this episode. I guess it's cos the Doctor wasn't there to be louder and more insane than her. I have a theory on that, actually. I think she stayed the shrill harpy-woman she was in Runaway Bride because she never meets the Doctor in this universe. As her grandfather says, "You can't change the world by shouting at it, sweetie!" She never learned another way because there was no Doctor to sober her up and dose her with some heavy reality. Here, her mother tells her she's useless, and she's thrown into circumstances beyond her control. She uses the only weapon she has: Her shouting until people's ears bleed. lol
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:37 pm
RogueModron Turn Left = 'Doctor Who does that Sliding Doors movie with Gwenyth Paltrow'. Or I'm guessing that's the initial inspiration, not having actually seen anything more than the trailer for that movie. mrgreen Anyway, another solid story, even if the whole 'giant beetle latches on to your back and creates an alternate universe around you to feed off the change in events' seems a bit of a stretch. Actually, more like a very, very big stretch. But it was neat, in a "What if...?" kind of way. Apparently, Sarah Jane was in the hospital during 'Smith and Jones'. Must have been on a different floor from the Doctor and Martha, since we didn't see her in the original episode. Bad Wolf. Hmm. If they're bringing that idea back, I hope they're going to utilize it better than they did in series 1. The sucky part of this episode was Rose. She just didn't really talk like the Rose we saw in series 1 and 2. I wonder if Billie Piper forgot what she used to sound like. It was just weird. everyone is bashing Rose about not being the same as season 1 and 2..well shes NOT the same!! shes had to live a muich harder life in the parallel world!! also Billie Piper ran out to buy the boxsets 3 wks before shooting jst to rewatch her performances so she did get it right!
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Hairy Priest Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:15 am
EhmiEhmi As for the accent, it was either one of two things: 1)Billie has been playing all these posh characters and forgotten how to talk like a chav, or 2) in the parallel universe, Rose had to lose the chav bit and speak properly in order for anyone at Torchwood/UNIT to take her seriously. Also, did anyone else think Rose looked younger than she's supposed to be? Maybe it's just me, but I thought she did. More mature, yes, but still younger-looking. Random. Regarding her accent... I'm just not sure what it is. I don't know what a 'chav' is supposed to sound like, but it just felt like Rose sounded a bit off. Whether that's supposed to reflect Rose maturing or what, I don't know, but it definitely threw me. At least part of it was that Billie Piper's performance seemed more subdued than she did in series 1-2. So, yeah, I guess that could be some sort of world weariness on Rose's part. Or not. Well, we'll see what happens in the next couple of episodes. I don't think Rose looked younger, but she did look different. I think Piper must have lost some weight, because her face looked a bit more bony to me. EhmiEhmi I think Sarah Jane was in the hospital because she knew the Doctor wouldn't be there because he was dead. Also, I agree about hoping they do a better job with the whole Bad Wolf thing. Not sure how she would have found out about the Doctor dying. Well, she did hang around with the Doctor during his UNIT days, so maybe they told her the news as a courtesy. Laylora_Paradise everyone is bashing Rose about not being the same as season 1 and 2..well shes NOT the same!! shes had to live a muich harder life in the parallel world!! also Billie Piper ran out to buy the boxsets 3 wks before shooting jst to rewatch her performances so she did get it right! I'm not sure I get your point. Piper went out and got the boxed sets to remember what she sounded like, only she intentionally didn't play Rose the way she sounded like before because she had a hard life in alternate universe? So then she doesn't sound like she used to sound... which is basically what I said, isn't it? I'm not presuming to know why Rose sounds different, only that to me she sounded different, and I found it weird. I don't quite see how that constitutes 'bashing'. I dunno. Billie Piper did a great job in 'New Earth' when she had to play regular Rose and Cassandra Rose... she gave each a distinct voice and mannerisms. I found her performance in 'Turn Left' to be rather uninspiring. On the other hand, even though I'm not much of a Donna fan, I felt Catherine Tate did a great job.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:00 am
i think rose was meant to be a substitute or something
she never changes her clothes
she won't tell Donna her name
she has a time machine
she knows what is, what was, what will happen to Donna
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:40 am
Does anyone have the link to Davids video dairy for turn left eps.
i cant find it on youtube or anywhere and i know links are agaist the rules so can someone pm it to me?
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