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 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:52 pm
Rasabon `MaliceMizer I think Lolita is for boy/girl relationships. If I saw two Lolita-clad women kiss, I think I'd be a little surprised. I'm clearly not against lesbianism, I just think that Lolita is based off of earlier Europeans and they were either straight or persecuted. Of course, there's nothing wrong with two girls if one of them was dressed in boystyle/aristocrat/ouji. That's ridiculous logic. In the time periods Lolita fashions are inspired by, Lolitas themselves would be persecuted for wearing such short skirts. And there were plenty of homosexuals who lived in secret or who married anyway. Marrying a man doesn't make a lesbian straight. It makes her unhappy. I also take huge issue with saying it's all right for two people to be seen together as a couple as long as one is dressed "femininely" and the other "masculinely." As the fiance of a straight male crossdresser, I'm insulted, and I'm sure others are, too. My fiance and I often go out 'dressed,' and pity anyone who has a problem with it. Love knows no gender boundaries, and fashion shouldn't be divided by sex.
Exactly. As far as I see, if you're surprised by seeing two lolitas kiss like then, then you'd be just as surprised seeing to casual-clothed girls kiss or two gay men holding hands. Even I support LGBTs but I still am a little surprised when I see a gay couple. And even once me and my friend played "lesbian", and all we did was walk throughout the station, hand in hand and even then people were staring at us, surprised. :/
I really don't see how much of a difference that is, and why would Lolita be any different than other LGBT couples being together, and why it should be treated any more different than to just let it be.
This is partly the reason why I encourage people not to "act" a certain way in Lolita, because some take things too seriously in the "roles" rather than the clothes. (Not saying this towards you, Malicemizer, no offense.)
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:53 pm
I also have to say I don’t understand how this could be an issue? what does what you wear have to do with your sex life?
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:02 pm
I was in a relationship with a female who was also a lolita, and i have lolita friends who are lesbians, I dont really think your sexuality has anything to do with lolita to be honest.
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:43 am
I'm so glad to see that you can be yourself, no matter what. heart
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:41 am
Yeesh, guys, take a chill pill. You guys make me sound like the antichrist. I'm saying it based on the view of the LOLITA LIFESTYLE. Since God-forbid there be any anti-gay talk in here you guys jump on it like that. I'm not against it or anything for the second time. I'm a lesbian too. What good is a discussion if it's all one opinion? Was it so wrong to put a different view out there? What a way to get everyone to hate me.
And who was the one person who voted no in the poll? Everyone probably will point to me.
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:09 pm
`MaliceMizer Yeesh, guys, take a chill pill. You guys make me sound like the antichrist. I'm saying it based on the view of the LOLITA LIFESTYLE. Since God-forbid there be any anti-gay talk in here you guys jump on it like that. I'm not against it or anything for the second time. I'm a lesbian too. What good is a discussion if it's all one opinion? Was it so wrong to put a different view out there? What a way to get everyone to hate me.
And who was the one person who voted no in the poll? Everyone probably will point to me. There's not really any true "Lolita Lifestyle". Just a bunch of girls who study etiquette, like finer things in life and act like princesses. And I've never met a Lifestyle Lolita who was against two-girl couples, especially for Lolitas. What's the difference between having a girlfriend and having a really badly dressed Gangster boyfriend? It's the same principle, really. Relationships shouldn't be fashion accessories. It's like saying a Goth can't date a Prep and vice versa.
= Hope that made sense.
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:23 pm
I don't understand how this is all relevant to what I'm thinking, but I give up because I'll be kicked in the shins by more Rocking Horse Shoes if I continue.
I know that last year I dressed punk with the hardcore chains and crosses and red-streaked hair, and I was (and still am) dating a preppy Abercrombie/American Eagle-wearing tomboy GIRL. Sure, we didn't match. At all. But that had nothing to do with it, because we liked/now love each other. In fact frequently we would switch clothing and throw everyone off.
Though there was that incident where these two morbidly obese girls screamed "DYKE" and ran away giggling and trying to act innocent... Hmm.
But I agree, a partner isn't a fashion accessory.
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:27 am
`MaliceMizer Yeesh, guys, take a chill pill. You guys make me sound like the antichrist. I'm saying it based on the view of the LOLITA LIFESTYLE. Since God-forbid there be any anti-gay talk in here you guys jump on it like that. I'm not against it or anything for the second time. I'm a lesbian too. What good is a discussion if it's all one opinion? Was it so wrong to put a different view out there? What a way to get everyone to hate me.
And who was the one person who voted no in the poll? Everyone probably will point to me. But the fact is you said you believe Lolita should be for heterosexual couples only. Many people take issue with that. I personally believe there is no such thing as a "Lolita lifestyle" - there are people who try to live pretty, sweet, elegant lives, and there is nothing that limits that to clothing. If you wear Lolita every day, that does not mean you are going to be polite and kind, and if you are polite and kind every day, it does not mean you must wear Lolita every day. I wrote back to you, and continue to do so, because I find what you said offensive, and quite troubling. Saying "I am a Lesbian" doesn't mean it make your heterocentric view of Lolita fashion any more acceptable to me. It makes it even worse, because you should already know how hard it can be to live in a society that constantly views you as an outsider or something alien just because you don't conform to an average standard. I found the comment offensive, because my fiance and I live a life where people throw beer bottles at us, try to hit us with cars, shout profanities, or try to hurt or rob us just because we both wear dresses. It hurts to see people who should be the most likely to ally with us and to understand out struggle be the ones to agree with the other side and say, "Yes, you are wrong and it's not acceptable for you both to wear dresses." You put your comments in a semi-public forum, and they are being responded to accordingly. I'm not protesting your right to express your opinion. I'm telling you why and how that opinion hurts the people who hear it, and why I think that's wrong and dangerous. There's no need to be so defensive about it. No one here has been rude or treated you like "the AntiChrist." I, for one, don't like having my comments treated like flames for no reason.
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:08 am
It was stupid to have voiced my opinion.
Sorry, Lolita guild, for being a
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:13 am
`MaliceMizer It was stupid to have voiced my opinion.
Sorry, Lolita guild, for being a That's very mature of you to sulk and be bitter and sarcastic instead of actually responding to the thought-out attempts to disagree with your statement and engage you in discussion.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:19 pm
Rasabon `MaliceMizer It was stupid to have voiced my opinion.
Sorry, Lolita guild, for being a That's very mature of you to sulk and be bitter and sarcastic instead of actually responding to the thought-out attempts to disagree with your statement and engage you in discussion. While I do agree with you, Rasabon, please note that you are being sarcastic while telling someone sarcasm is immature. XD No-one is attacking you, MaliceMizer. We're just trying to have a serious discussion. As you said, you can't have a discussion if everyone's opinions are the same, but you also can't have a discussion if you expect to just speak your opinion and have it let alone, because then you're not discussing anything. Realize that we both respect you and disagree with you, and this discussion can actually be interesting again....
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:04 pm
Really, we need to calm down. Everyone's just saying their opinion. We aren't trying to single anyone out, here. confused
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:13 pm
...Ok. So I guess none of you really understood what I was trying to say, and it became misinterpreted much beyond what I was thinking. I'm not going to explain it further because I am not "very mature" as Rasabon pointed out and I am unable to handle when I am the only one who feels a certain way and every one else is against me.
I panic. I take it as an insult.
I retreat into my shell and spew defensive remarks.
Okay? Can we please end this now?
You're all making me feel really bad about myself.
Can you just discuss something else topic-related and not my-comment-related?
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:54 am
`MaliceMizer ...Ok. So I guess none of you really understood what I was trying to say, and it became misinterpreted much beyond what I was thinking. I'm not going to explain it further because I am not "very mature" as Rasabon pointed out and I am unable to handle when I am the only one who feels a certain way and every one else is against me. I panic. I take it as an insult. I retreat into my shell and spew defensive remarks. Okay? Can we please end this now? You're all making me feel really bad about myself. Can you just discuss something else topic-related and not my-comment-related?
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:06 pm
owo
I like you. Want free avatar art as thanks?
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