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 Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:38 am
Viking...I've lost all respect for you...and Daxel crying <---treehugger Oh, apparently these charts also include GBA/DS sales from what I hear from other people...so yeah GC+GBA+DS>PS2. Totally fair. Just what I heard though. EDIT: Here's a quote from a person explaining why this person didn't use there sources well: Played_Out This article is riddled with inaccuracies: The guy claims that sony got such high PS2 sales numbers by giving the system away for free (!), despite the actual number of consoles given away being statistically insignificant. He claims that "in 1983 everybody ran out of money when the public stopped buying games and the entire industry crashed" which is also inaccurate. The public didn't stop buying games, and the entire industry didn't crash. It only affected America, and it was entirely due to over-investment (flooding the market), not declining sales. Sega was never the market leader. Even when the Dreamcast released without any 6th gen competition, it was being outsold significantly by the PS1. He ignores the fact that Nintendo's profits primarily come from handhelds, while Sony's come from home consoles (both of which are included, among other things, in the profit/loss statements, despite the fact he is only talking about home console sales). Clearly, a comparison between the three companies at this level is NOT appropriate. (@ VAIO: you obviously ignore the title claim that "PlayStation 2 May Have Won Last Generation’s Sales Battle, but it Lost the Console War") He ignores the fact that both Sony and Microsoft acquired billions in assets through the purchase of development studios, while Nintendo sold their most important and expensive developer to MS. The sale of Rare alone accounts for -$377m to MS and +$377m to Nintendo.
Needless to say, MS didn't generate losses of $4b+ by loss-leading alone. Companies like Rare and Lionhead do not come cheap. Likewise, the 20 (approx) studios picked up by Sony undoubtedly cost more than $146.47m, meaning that PS2 profits have not been wiped out by the PS3 (obviously).If he is claiming that Nintendo are good at making money, then he is right on the... er... money, but his suggestion that the GC made more profit than the PS2 is not only wrong, but ridiculous. It is mathematically implausible. Such a simplistic comparison of profit/loss statements is essentially worthless. It even defends Sony and Microsoft about their losses. It isn't solely the PS3 or 360 that is making Sony and Microsoft lose profit.
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:43 am
Canis Lupus the LoneWolf Viking...I've lost all respect for you...and Daxel crying <---treehugger Oh, apparently these charts also include GBA/DS sales from what I hear from other people...so yeah GC+GBA+DS>PS2. Totally fair. Just what I heard though. EDIT: Here's a quote from a person explaining why this person didn't use there sources well: Played_Out This article is riddled with inaccuracies: The guy claims that sony got such high PS2 sales numbers by giving the system away for free (!), despite the actual number of consoles given away being statistically insignificant. He claims that "in 1983 everybody ran out of money when the public stopped buying games and the entire industry crashed" which is also inaccurate. The public didn't stop buying games, and the entire industry didn't crash. It only affected America, and it was entirely due to over-investment (flooding the market), not declining sales. Sega was never the market leader. Even when the Dreamcast released without any 6th gen competition, it was being outsold significantly by the PS1. He ignores the fact that Nintendo's profits primarily come from handhelds, while Sony's come from home consoles (both of which are included, among other things, in the profit/loss statements, despite the fact he is only talking about home console sales). Clearly, a comparison between the three companies at this level is NOT appropriate. (@ VAIO: you obviously ignore the title claim that "PlayStation 2 May Have Won Last Generation’s Sales Battle, but it Lost the Console War") He ignores the fact that both Sony and Microsoft acquired billions in assets through the purchase of development studios, while Nintendo sold their most important and expensive developer to MS. The sale of Rare alone accounts for -$377m to MS and +$377m to Nintendo.
Needless to say, MS didn't generate losses of $4b+ by loss-leading alone. Companies like Rare and Lionhead do not come cheap. Likewise, the 20 (approx) studios picked up by Sony undoubtedly cost more than $146.47m, meaning that PS2 profits have not been wiped out by the PS3 (obviously).If he is claiming that Nintendo are good at making money, then he is right on the... er... money, but his suggestion that the GC made more profit than the PS2 is not only wrong, but ridiculous. It is mathematically implausible. Such a simplistic comparison of profit/loss statements is essentially worthless. It even defends Sony and Microsoft about their losses. It isn't solely the PS3 or 360 that is making Sony and Microsoft lose profit. I disagree with the quote. While selling Rare DOES make Nintendo a lot of money, consider that putting MS deep in the hole...well just that. While Sony and MS are spending a fortune on developers, Nintendo is preparing for a NEXT generation, while continued losses could drive either of the other companies out of the console race. In which case--note some irony here--companies like Rare could be sold off for much cheaper just to avoid further losses. I just think it's interesting. I AM a Nintendo fanboy, but the 360 is my console for this generation based on my curret age and taste.
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Drinky McIrish Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:45 pm
Canis Lupus the LoneWolf Viking...I've lost all respect for you... 
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:46 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar Am I the only one who still insists that the 360 has a 100% failure rate? Not even I think that. Now, I think it will easily achieve that before every system of this generation and the last, except maybe the Dreamcasts. Dreamcasts aren't exactly built to last either. Mine lasted long enough for me to beat SA2........... Now, controller socket problems. @Canis: That solves M$'s first year and Nintendo's biased first generation. Take that out, and everyone else is still in the hole.
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:52 pm
Drinky McIrish Canis Lupus the LoneWolf Viking...I've lost all respect for you... I love that pic. Mainly cause I can almost hear you say through gritted teeth: "Take the [censored] picture already [censored]!"
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:56 pm
Sakyh Drinky McIrish Canis Lupus the LoneWolf Viking...I've lost all respect for you... I love that pic. Mainly cause I can almost hear you say through gritted teeth: "Take the [censored] picture already [censored]!" Fun fact, that log was rotted as hell, came to about 40LBS...
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Drinky McIrish Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:57 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar Am I the only one who still insists that the 360 has a 100% failure rate? Not exactly an accurate statistic here but 7 of my bf's friends have 360s. 5 of them died by RRoD. so that's 71% there...
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:44 pm
Sakyh Arvis_Jaggamar Am I the only one who still insists that the 360 has a 100% failure rate? Not exactly an accurate statistic here but 7 of my bf's friends have 360s. 5 of them died by RRoD. so that's 71% there... If you factor in Superjesus's gang's bunch of magic 360s, that's about 50%. Though, I'm farely certain that magic 360s are only handed out to the biggest fanboys.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:28 pm
tangocat777 Sakyh Arvis_Jaggamar Am I the only one who still insists that the 360 has a 100% failure rate? Not exactly an accurate statistic here but 7 of my bf's friends have 360s. 5 of them died by RRoD. so that's 71% there... If you factor in Superjesus's gang's bunch of magic 360s, that's about 50%. Though, I'm farely certain that magic 360s are only handed out to the biggest fanboys. You know, I go away for a couple of days and I forget how hilarious you guys are. We have a cool guild.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:30 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Sakyh Arvis_Jaggamar Am I the only one who still insists that the 360 has a 100% failure rate? Not exactly an accurate statistic here but 7 of my bf's friends have 360s. 5 of them died by RRoD. so that's 71% there... If you factor in Superjesus's gang's bunch of magic 360s, that's about 50%. Though, I'm farely certain that magic 360s are only handed out to the biggest fanboys. You know, I go away for a couple of days and I forget how hilarious you guys are. We have a cool guild. I forgot about everyone in the guild completely in my 1-2 month semi-hiatus. Good to be back.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:31 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Sakyh Arvis_Jaggamar Am I the only one who still insists that the 360 has a 100% failure rate? Not exactly an accurate statistic here but 7 of my bf's friends have 360s. 5 of them died by RRoD. so that's 71% there... If you factor in Superjesus's gang's bunch of magic 360s, that's about 50%. Though, I'm farely certain that magic 360s are only handed out to the biggest fanboys. You know, I go away for a couple of days and I forget how hilarious you guys are. We have a cool guild. It's mostly me, though, right?
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:40 pm
tangocat777 Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Sakyh Arvis_Jaggamar Am I the only one who still insists that the 360 has a 100% failure rate? Not exactly an accurate statistic here but 7 of my bf's friends have 360s. 5 of them died by RRoD. so that's 71% there... If you factor in Superjesus's gang's bunch of magic 360s, that's about 50%. Though, I'm farely certain that magic 360s are only handed out to the biggest fanboys. You know, I go away for a couple of days and I forget how hilarious you guys are. We have a cool guild. It's mostly me, though, right? ...............................sure. ninja
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:44 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Sakyh Arvis_Jaggamar Am I the only one who still insists that the 360 has a 100% failure rate? Not exactly an accurate statistic here but 7 of my bf's friends have 360s. 5 of them died by RRoD. so that's 71% there... If you factor in Superjesus's gang's bunch of magic 360s, that's about 50%. Though, I'm farely certain that magic 360s are only handed out to the biggest fanboys. You know, I go away for a couple of days and I forget how hilarious you guys are. We have a cool guild. It's mostly me, though, right? ...............................sure. ninja Arvis, are you a Jehovah's Witness by any chance? I dunno, I've been dying to ask that question for so long, because whenever I see any post made by you, I just think "Jehovah's Witness". I think I should just get it over with already. Dx
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:46 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Sakyh Arvis_Jaggamar Am I the only one who still insists that the 360 has a 100% failure rate? Not exactly an accurate statistic here but 7 of my bf's friends have 360s. 5 of them died by RRoD. so that's 71% there... If you factor in Superjesus's gang's bunch of magic 360s, that's about 50%. Though, I'm farely certain that magic 360s are only handed out to the biggest fanboys. You know, I go away for a couple of days and I forget how hilarious you guys are. We have a cool guild. It's mostly me, though, right? ...............................sure. ninja Would you feel better if I started talking about FE girls?
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:46 pm
Zombicide Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 Arvis_Jaggamar tangocat777 If you factor in Superjesus's gang's bunch of magic 360s, that's about 50%. Though, I'm farely certain that magic 360s are only handed out to the biggest fanboys. You know, I go away for a couple of days and I forget how hilarious you guys are. We have a cool guild. It's mostly me, though, right? ...............................sure. ninja Arvis, are you a Jehovah's Witness by any chance? I dunno, I've been dying to ask that question for so long, because whenever I see any post made by you, I just think "Jehovah's Witness". I think I should just get it over with already. Dx *blinks* That's rather vague. Any particular reason you think that?
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