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Really. I like when I say I'm against elective abortion, there's always that one choicer who has to pick the most extreme case unrelated to my position.

For example, "What about rape?" - Ok, go for it. Still saving 1.2 million lives then.
"Health risks of the mother!" Ok, still saving 1.1 million lives. But the thing is, they say it like a rape abortion justifies a non-rape abortion, or that if I agree to rape then I'm agreeing to non-rape.

I just tell them that they can keep rape and health of the mother, but we get rid of elective.

Speaking of the random, far out excuses, I heard one actually use Mary as an excuse for elective abortion. It went something like this.

"Pregnancy cannot occur without having sex. Having sex is a form of implied consent, and thus having sex is consenting to the possibility of pregnancy."

The choicer actually said "People an get pregnant without having sex! One lady did it and people haven't shut up about it for 2000 years!"

neutral srsly? Why would you go out of your way to make such a terrible argument? Fine, any pregnancy that happens without sex, you can go ahead and abort. Statistically speaking, that'd be like, one every 2000 years, at most.

Well, any abortion that you choose is going to be elective, including the save your life or your health, if you mean that you choose it. But usually it refers to using abortion as a back up birth control (or God forbid, for something like 46% of women, a first form of birth control), but terming it an elective abortion is a bit nicer since it puts a nicer connotation to it than "Backup birth control," (because who goes into an abortion clinic thinking, "Gee, time for my birth control?"). Emotionally, I feel just as bad for a woman whose partner dies while she's pregnant and she feels she can't raise the child alone as I do for someone who is raped and ends up pregnant. I think that different people are going to experience different situations with different levels of severity, and for some people, being pregnant when they just don't want to be pregnant is just as bad as it is for other people who are pregnant because they were raped.

But when it comes to law, like I said earlier, responsibility factors in. It can be argued that a woman who consented to sex made the choice when she chose to have sex, but you can't say the same for a rape victim. It's not about punishment, but a simple fact that one person bears more responsibility in the situation.

This is true, all abortion is technically elective. Let me use a different term. "Abortions in which case the mother consented to sex and thus pregnancy and is in no immediate risk of physical injury". Mentally replace that anywhere I use the term "elective". "Elective" is so much faster than typing out that chunk of text. As Lyme said, it's an issue of responsibility and consent.

I think that the rape clause would still allow for what I would term "elective abortion" but only in special cases, as opposed to for any women who wanted one (before certain stages of pregnancy in many States). I think of it as more along the lines that "elective abortion" is used to mean "abortion that is chosen just because pregnancy is not wanted" as opposed an abortion recommended by a doctor for health reasons.

Right!

It really bothers me when Pro-Choicers say that rape is a reason to keep all abortion legal. I mean, pregnancy caused by rape is pretty rare. And, conception through rape only makes a difference if abortion is illegal to begin with. Because if all abortion is already legal, then a woman who became pregnant through rape can already get an abortion. So rape only matters in this debate if it is an exception to illegal abortion.

I sort of question if people who believe that abortion is only moral if the woman was raped can really be "Pro-Choice" since they only believe a tiny percentage of abortions are ethical.

This is exactly how I feel about the subject. Yeah, rape is terrible, but the fetus being the result of consensual sex is -not- the primary reason abortion should, in my mind, be illegal; If the fetus is not a human being, equal to born human beings, there's no problem with abortion in any circumstance. If the fetus is, then a rape/incest exception makes no sense; You're punishing the fetus for the sins of the father.

Although I do see the point of saying that bodily integrity holds in this instance, (Because in consensual sex they are accepting the possibility of a baby, voiding their right to bodily integrity, but in rape they aren't) I still feel it's not a strong enough reason to make the exception. And, as Sachiko said, getting an abortion doesn't make the rape any less painful; Only counseling and time can do that.

And this from an atheist.

But really, I mean... An angel comes down and is like "Hey, God wants you to have this kid. It's gonna save humanity from evil, the whole nine yards."

"My body my choice!"

*Cosmic ORLY*

*laughs*