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What should I do after the end of the season?
  Go back and do Season One of Welsh Who.
  Do a season from English Who.
  Do the current season of Eighth Doctor audios.
  Go outside and get some fresh air.
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Eirwyn

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:03 pm


My friend again, this time on the new series (she didn't like VotD):
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Hope the season over-all is better than the X mas ep. I'd hate a whole season of "The Doctor isn't actually a god--see, watch him screw up!"
Wait a minute . . . We had that season already. Several seasons, in fact. It was called the Peter Davison era (ducks as aging PD fangirls throw things at me).


Wish I could get her assimilated into Gaia. smile
PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:32 pm


Eirwyn

Wish I could get her assimilated into Gaia. smile

Definately. It's always quite frustrating when there's people you really want here, but can't quite coax in. 3nodding

I really can't see the Davison era in those terms though...certainly the Doctor's falibility is emphasised, but by then the Doctor's been 'demythologised' to such a point that it doesn't feel like a 'humbled god' story, because it simply wouldn't have occured to anyone watching that the Doctor was meant to be a mythic figure in the first place. Aside from in a few bits and bobs like the Bailey serials, PeteDoc's a fairly prosaic SF hero. There's none of the weird juxtaposition of the transendental and the immanent that you get with Ten (or Seven for that matter).

The big differance though is that "Watch the Doctor screw up!" in the Davison era doesn't get much more sophisticated than "Here's a downbeat ending! Arrested adolescent fanboys always like those because they think pessimistic=mature!"*

Wheras here a case seems to being built up that moral failings are better than presumed moral certainty and that the capacity for failure is better than the monstrosity of omnipotence. This seems to be a positive, humanistic thesis putting forward the idea that a Doctor who screws up is ethically superior to one who couldn't.


* - See also Torchwood. twisted

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:30 pm


Came here tonight to rock the microphone.



PLANET OF THE OOD

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Let's get the boringly obvious stuff out of the way first.
Humans treat Ood as lesser species (indeed as 'made in our image' - "What is an Ood but a reflection of us?" Treacherous PR Girl asks).
Nasty human thinks he has the right to 'cull' whole batches of Ood.
Nasty human turns into Ood.
Move along, move along...


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"The fear, the wonder, the joy..."
The Doctor suggests that, after all this time, it's the excitement of just not knowing what's going to be outside the TARDIS doors that keeps him going.




User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. "You had a life of work and sleep and rent and tax and takeaway dinners and birthdays and Christmases and two weeks holiday a year and then you end up here."
The Doctor delivers a sermon on how inferior are the lives of almost everyone watching his show compared to the life he's bestowed on Donna. Or at least he would do if it wasn't for some typically great Tennant-acting. Watch when he gets to 'birthdays and Christmases' and he gets this wistful note as if he's realising that the mundane lives he's dismissing nevertheless do have something he doesn't. We'll come to what that might be later.
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The Ood are exemplars of having thier internal states manifested on thier outer bodies. Processed Ood who go a bit loopy have 'Red Eye' and Unprocessed Ood are probably the most literal example ever of the mind being displayed on the body - they hold external brains in thier hands!

Which makes Ood Sigma all the more interesting - the Ood who is the means of thier liberation is the only one whose body doesn't tell you what's going on inside it.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. Why does Klineman Halpen do what he does? Because it's what his father did and it's what his grandfather did. To steal another phrase from Terry Pratchett, this episode is about 'Unoriginal Sin'. Everything terrible that anyone does here they do because they've inherrited the idea. Whether it's the mass cull that previously worked for foot and mouth or the whole economic logic of maintaining a people in 'slavery' that goes unchanged from Donna's day to Halpen's. Or back further to, say...Pompeii. Nobody being evil here is doing anything new - they're all just doing what mummy and daddy did.
Change, it seems, only exists as 'new and improved' advertising gimmicks. D'oh!

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If you doubt it... typical lines of Halpen's dialogue include "My grandfather drew up this plan" and "Nothing ever changes".




User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Then again...while the logic of subjugation may not change over time, its specifics do. Whoever made Donna's sweatshop-originated clothes, I'll bet good money that thier skin wasn't white. Yet Double-O are notably multiracial.
Now look at the 'chain gang' scene where Donna goes all "OMG! IT'S SLAVERY!" Donna already knew the Ood were in slavery so what's the big wow here? The shock lies in that here the Ood's slavery looks like slavery. Our culture's single mental image of slavery is of a line of black men shackled together and that's what's evoked here. Except its a black man holding the whip. The singers change, but the song of captivity remains the same.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show."All the better for seeing you..."
Would you want an Ood giving you seductive sweet talk? Probably not, because you can see them. But to thier users they've become invisible. That's why they're so comfortable having them standing around in the background when they know they could turn into killers at any time (same concept as Robots of Death). Double-O's clientele are blind to the physicality of the Ood so it doesn't sound to them like a come-on from a squid-mouth, because they're not seeing the squid-mouth anymore. It's just a disembodied voice, like that of the sat-navs this scene is parodying.

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A bit of a week off from this sort of thing. Though there's a brief callback...
"I couldn't save them. I had to let the Ood die."
Again, it's a dangerously self-centred perception of reality that understands any tragedy as happening because "I had to let it".



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"Say hello to daddy!" says Halpen as he shows Ood Sigma the big squashy brain thingy.
This is a story about children rescuing thier parent.
It may not be the last we see this year.




User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.The Ood in the transport crates seem to be there to remind us of the images we see in the papers of people smuggling. Specificly the shot looks exactly like the back of the tomato freight container in which 58 economic migrants suffocated to death to 2000. By coincidence, 54 Burmese migrants died in similar circumstances this month.

We're shown these images at the exact moment that the Doctor starts talking about economic unfairness in Donna's century.

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More questioning of why the Doctor needs companions. Donna's suggestion that it's to take cheap shots at seems like a diversion and a refusal to engage with the Doctor's criticism of her non-Fair Trade wardrobe, but in fact it is an answer to the criticism. She's pointing out that as the magic spaceman with the keys to the universe, he too benefits from a disparity in status.


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Trapped in the container with the red eyed Ood, Donna tries to convince them that she's "Not like that lot" - the oppressors bossing them about.
Then we cut away, and when we cut back, she's attempting to give them orders.




User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Treacherous PR Girl joins the journalist from Partners of Crime in the 'not good enough' category. But where Penny's failure was one of competance, Treacherous PR Girl's was one of character and vision. Donna wears what she wears because she hasn't seen a child sweatshop in India, just like the Ood users back on Earth have never seen Ood production. They fail morally because they've never made themselves think about those things...but they're a step above Treacherous PR Girl who has seen and who does know that what she's doing is wrong.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.The Ood, with the circle broken, are a species that share one third of thier mind with each other. Notice the way they continue to address 'DoctorDonnaFriend' - they can't even conceptualise that they're two seperate entities, rather than a group mind of two. The 'song' that they have resumed is thier union as a consumate collective. They're utterly together.




User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.On the other hand, the Doctor is the consumate individual. As the series has pointed out once or twice, he's a bit on the lonely side. What the Ood are offering when they invite him to join their song is an end to loneliness. "There is room in the song for you" means room in the collective.

He doesn't take the offer of a place in the chorus as he's "sort of got a song of my own." He's a soloist. But this solo, apparently, is coming to an end.


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. Never mind the self being reflected in the body and the body in the self...Donna's taken it a step further and inferred a whole society from its members' physicality.
"They're born with thier brains in thier hands...that makes them peaceful"
The Doctor seems very impressed.

If Donna's logic is right, it makes the scene where Ood-Halpen voms up a brain strangely touching, as the change in his body has turned a killer into a pacifist.

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Some people seem to be reading the Doctor's insistence that a servant race could never evolve as a direct endorsement of Richard Dawkins' 'Selfish Gene' theory. I wouldn't go that far myself, but we'll be hearing more about Dawkins later on, don't you worry.



User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show."I can't tell what's right and what's wrong anymore."
"It's better that way. People who know for certain tend to be like Mister Halpen."

Last week the Doctor's scorn was for the prophets who had certain knowledge of events, this week the Doctor's scorn is for people who think they have certain knowledge of morality.



User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show."Our children will sing of the DoctorDonna. And our children's children. And the wind and the ice and the snow will carry your names forever."

For the second week running, our heroes are turned into Household Gods.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:59 am


A comment on the Arthur Dent reference: It is possible to assume that since the Doctor read Harry Potter, he also saw the recent movie (or even read the books) Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and there would be no need to rend your brains looking for a way to reconcile the two storylines. At least, that's the way I've always thought of it. whee

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Maiadorn

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:21 am


EhmiEhmi
and there would be no need to rend your brains looking for a way to reconcile the two storylines.


But that's half the fun! It's like purposefully not pairing your socks so you have to have a good rummage.

It's by no means a perfect analogy, seeing as I tend to wear odd socks even if I'm going to a job interview (it's polite to let them know they'd be hiring a weirdo right off the bat), but Pratchett got there with the one about the screws first.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:02 am


Point taken. 4laugh

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:44 pm


EhmiEhmi
A comment on the Arthur Dent reference: It is possible to assume that since the Doctor read Harry Potter, he also saw the recent movie (or even read the books) Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and there would be no need to rend your brains looking for a way to reconcile the two storylines. At least, that's the way I've always thought of it. whee


But as Occam's Toothbrush states, "The most simple explanation is never the most interesting." wink

(And that doesn't account for why he's reading a book from the Hitchhiker-verse in Destiny of the Daleks).

It's funny you should mention Harry Potter in this context, as oddly it provides evidence for Lullabee's theory. There's a scene in The Gallifrey Chronicles where someone (I can't remember if it's Rachel or Anji) is looking around in the TARDIS library.

She finds a first edition of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone and considers stealing it, knowing that a mint first edition would be worth a pretty penny.

Then she opens it up to find that the Doctor has scribbled little notes in the margins saying things like, "No, No, No...that's not what happened!" and other little complaints about it being an inacurate reflection of what really took place!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:53 pm


EhmiEhmi
A comment on the Arthur Dent reference: It is possible to assume that since the Doctor read Harry Potter, he also saw the recent movie (or even read the books) Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and there would be no need to rend your brains looking for a way to reconcile the two storylines. At least, that's the way I've always thought of it. whee


The thing is that the direct quote is: "Not bad for a man in his jim-jams, very Arthur Dent- now, there was a nice man." Which rather suggests he knows Arthur Dent personally.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:00 am


Ah, I'd forgotten he'd said that. And I like the Occam's Toothbrush quote. This is the kind of thing I wish people would talk about in my new guild...(if I could recruit people)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:15 pm


*finishes watching Ood and runs in here*
rofl rofl rofl @ the Harry Potter book and the recap of Welsh series

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The Pyrovile are reconstituting themselves as a "New race of creatures" because their home was lost. It was "taken."
Just like the Adipose Breeding world.
Hmm...


Shadow Proclamation, anyone? (it was mentioned in both episodes)
I won't be surprised if Judoon show up at a later date.

I'm extremely pleased to see this here, and I'll be sure to stop in when I'm caught up again.
It's exactly the kind of thing I've been doing in my head/journal since Series 2, only nobody I knew who watched it even wanted to go into this much detail. I had a list of how Series 1 and 2 were similar with episode structure and went from there.

I'd love to see this become a short book! heart
Really! I'd buy it in a heartbeat (or two) mrgreen

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Eirwyn

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:49 pm


It would be way more readable than the last couple of "let's analyze every tiny bit of Doctor Who" books I've seen, for sure! biggrin
Not including the (Dis)Continuity Guide. mrgreen
PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:43 pm


Wow! Thanks Ceribri, Eirwyn and EhmiEhmi! heart redface

I might think about trying to find a permanent home for this on a website somewhere when it's done.

Oh, and yeah...The Disco Guide rules. heart Definately an 'Every Fan Should Have One' book.

Have you ever had a look at About Time, Eirwyn? It's probably the most exhaustive of the "let's analyze every tiny bit of Doctor Who" books out there. More about cultural context and social history n' stuff than about the sort of close reading we're doing here, but really, really detailed.

Anyway, I'm having a week off this week so that I can do both bits of the two parter together once I've seen them. There's going to be lots to do - you've got to start to wonder what the season's saying about commodity. Four episodes so far and in three of them then the baddy has been a company selling a product!

It looks like I'm going to have to start up a category for the Power of Names as well - I thought that was just a season three thing, but it still seems to be very big here and in Fires of Pompeii.

What is the connection between names and things? Bernard of Cluny wrote in the twelfth century that "Yesterday's Rose stands only in name; we hold empty names" suggesting that names almost replace the things they refer to. The name of the rose replaces the real thing and stands as a Baudrillardian simulacra - a copy with no original.

Shakespere (pretends) to disagree and says the name has no effect on the thing it describes - that a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. While for Gertrude Stein there's no division between the name and the object - the object is the word and the word is the object - her most famous and important line of poetry reads "Rose is a rose is a rose is a rose."

I mention all this so that people don't think I'm just going all super-shippy when I call this category 'Rose'. wink

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:29 pm


Niiice... rofl
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:36 pm


...though it probably doesn't hurt Rose-centric fans to know that the finest minds in Western civilisation have been debating the importance of her name since the twelfth century!

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Eirwyn

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:53 pm


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There's going to be lots to do - you've got to start to wonder what the season's saying about commodity. Four episodes so far and in three of them then the baddy has been a company selling a product!


Personally, I think that's the entire reason the sonic screwdriver was brought back & is allowed to get so ridiculously out of hand. To SELL TOYS.
JNT was right when he got rid of the thing.
Do you suppose its inclusion was some sort of demand on the BBC's part, them seeing it as the opportunity for marketing bucks that it is?
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