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Galad Aglaron Vice Captain
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 Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:20 am
fishsama999 Just take faith in the fact you have a belief and you believe in it. If they insult it too bad for them. Just shrug it off and go pray for them. Hell I"m catholic and I make fun of my own religion even if I'm not the most pious of practicing catholics. You sound like a Buddhist. I must admit, although I acknowledge that the Catholic Church is a powerful positive influence in this world, I dislike the Church as an organisation.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:36 pm
I'm an agnostic who is coming pretty close to converting to atheism. I believe that Jeanne d'Arc was either delusional or in league with Charles VII, since Charles must have known that the French people were losing faith in the war and needed a source of hope.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:50 pm
Galad Damodred fishsama999 Just take faith in the fact you have a belief and you believe in it. If they insult it too bad for them. Just shrug it off and go pray for them. Hell I"m catholic and I make fun of my own religion even if I'm not the most pious of practicing catholics. You sound like a Buddhist. I must admit, although I acknowledge that the Catholic Church is a powerful positive influence in this world, I dislike the Church as an organisation. XD. Nah. Not much of a Buddhist.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:55 am
Lady_Elainee I'm an agnostic who is coming pretty close to converting to atheism. I believe that Jeanne d'Arc was either delusional or in league with Charles VII, since Charles must have known that the French people were losing faith in the war and needed a source of hope. I hadn't thought of that theory. eek It actually makes perfect sense. It's a much more sensible theory than any other I've heard. It's so simple, but has somehow been missed by many (or was it just ditsy me?). Did you come up with this yourself? If you found this idea in a book or something, I would love to know, so I can read it myself. I'm impressed.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:40 pm
Lady_Elainee I believe that Jeanne d'Arc was either delusional or in league with Charles VII, since Charles must have known that the French people were losing faith in the war and needed a source of hope. I really doubt it. Honestly? The war was at more of a stalemate than the French loosing. Besides, Charles would've found a dashing/beautiful noble to do it, because I doubt a king like him would lower himself to talk to "common folk." Besides, why didn't he pay her ransom? The English gave the French the standard "give us monee lol!" and the French didn't give in. Not very good from a military standpoint...
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:40 pm
Clutzy_Ditz Lady_Elainee I'm an agnostic who is coming pretty close to converting to atheism. I believe that Jeanne d'Arc was either delusional or in league with Charles VII, since Charles must have known that the French people were losing faith in the war and needed a source of hope. I hadn't thought of that theory. eek It actually makes perfect sense. It's a much more sensible theory than any other I've heard. It's so simple, but has somehow been missed by many (or was it just ditsy me?). Did you come up with this yourself? If you found this idea in a book or something, I would love to know, so I can read it myself. I'm impressed. I don't remember reading it from anywhere...
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:12 pm
Nasuko-San Lady_Elainee I believe that Jeanne d'Arc was either delusional or in league with Charles VII, since Charles must have known that the French people were losing faith in the war and needed a source of hope. I really doubt it. Honestly? The war was at more of a stalemate than the French loosing. Besides, Charles would've found a dashing/beautiful noble to do it, because I doubt a king like him would lower himself to talk to "common folk." Besides, why didn't he pay her ransom? The English gave the French the standard "give us monee lol!" and the French didn't give in. Not very good from a military standpoint... Well, because it was a stalemate, many French people were losing their lives for no gain at all. I never said the French were losing the war; I said they were losing faith. Also, the prophecies about the Maid of Lorraine was that she would come from the borders of Lorraine. Moreover, Charles was not crowned king yet when Jeanne d'Arc first appeared before him. She was brought before Charles by a nobleman named Robert de Baudricourt. Truthfully she never fought in battle. She merely rallied the soldiers and carried the flag. Having the English execute the French people's precious Maid of Lorraine is actually a greater military advantage, since the French soldiers would fight harder to avenge her.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:16 pm
I reviewed the earlier posts in this topic and realized the reason you disagree with me, Nasuko-San. I apologize for speaking of religion, if I have offended you. That was not my intent in stating my being and agnostic close to becoming an atheist; I merely included that for the purpose of explaining my view on this controversial subject.
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:03 am
The problem is there is no way to tell, with no conclusive evidence.
I believe in moderation in all things, and events usually follow that principle.
Joan was probably a mix of all of those things, maybe a little crazy, but those were maddening times, possibly a figurehead, probably made into one after she started doing her thing.
The figurehead seems probable, because she wouldn't admit to being wrong, because whatever psychosis or zeal would cause her never to reveal what really happened. Self deluded people are very hard to convince. Furthermore, the secret would have died with her, so how easy was it for the country not to save a peasant, and let her be a martyr, further establishing her as a symbol?
Use of religion in convincing people, tut tut France, shame on you.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:24 am
Well when you really think about it even if Joan wasn't a real person, if she was just a legend, or if she was a real person who was delusional, or if she did really have visions of the lord, she has an amazing influence on many people today. She was a true hero and was most defiantly todays woman. I mean she lead an army. She was burned at the stake. I mean she did all of this because of the lord and to help her country. It shows true courage!
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