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 Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:52 pm
dvn -camilla price- I believe that gays/bi's should just stay where they've been the last few hundred years --in the dark and away from me. At least away from me while they're at it. I personally find homosexuality disgusting and rather disturbing. Yes, it may be fun and what-not, but keep me out of it.
I have many friends who are gay/bi, but if they act on that towards other people around me, I find myself faintly disgusted and walking away. I have nothing against them as a people, just please dont be like that around me, and I won't be straight around you if you have issues with it.
This is why I dont talk about who I like, because gay/bi people tell me about there homosexual love-life and I dont like it.
I dont look down upon, nor fear, nor hate these people for what they are, I am glad that they can express themselves. I just don't want that influence in my life.
Thank You.
~Devichaz So true. And may I add, hormones seriously contribute to many teenagers saying they are bisexual or gay. It's a phase where they are more curious (and albeit more influenced) about sex. And when that happens, they get a little more curious about their own selves, but are embarrassed to say so.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:29 pm
I'm far too lazy to read all of the previous posts at the moment, besides which I'm sure many of them would piss me off and then I'd have to do a REAL rant.
Basically, my stance on homosexuality and bisexuality is my stance on most everything else: live and let live. Someone else being homosexual or bisexual does absolutely no harm to me, and really hardly effects me whatsoever, if at all. Besides which, while I am an agnostic atheist and therefore follow no religion, I follow a philosophy of morality centered around the idea of living in happiness and allowing and helping others to do the same.
Ok, I thought I might not rant, but it turns out I have something to rant about a little. I see that someone in a previous post said "I believe that gays/bi's should just stay where they've been the last few hundred years --in the dark and away from me." Guess what? Homosexuality hasn't always been regarded the way it is now AT ALL! In ancient Rome and Greek -- most likely the foundations for the society you live in -- homosexuality and bisexuality were widespread, out in the open, and even celebrated. In other countries -- Japan, for example -- not only were celebratory of homosexuality and bisexuality (ever heard of the samurai "man-love?") but they were more sexually open, period. Unlike Western civilizations with Judaic religions, Oriental religions and cultures celebrated sex and sexuality as a beautiful part of life.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:48 pm
KaguraOfTheWind Scientifically, homosexuality serves no purpose. Sex is solely for the propagation of species. Gay sex cannot preform this task. But then scientifically love serves no purpose either. Actually, science shows that sex is pretty important for not just humans but many species of animals, and not just solely for procreation. Many animals -- including chimps, our nearest relatives -- have been known to engage in sexual activities when they are in states of excitement and as a stress reliever. As far as humans, sex has been shown have many physical and emotional/mental benefits. Also, homosexuality is not uncommon in the animal kingdom. Animals from many species from apes to birds have been observed in homosexual activies, and not just having sex: I specifically recall reading an article a couple of years ago in which scientists observed multiple pairs of male birds stealing eggs from heterosexual pairs and hatching and raising the chicks. Lastly, I don't think science shows love to have no purpose. Scientifically, the emotional and physical effects of love in it's various states and stages are varied and greatly influencial on us.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:22 pm
KaguraOfTheWind People have raped claiming they loved the person and also have murdered for the same reason. People who rape and murder are psychologically disturbed to some degree and/or have brain malfunctions. Homosexual/bisexual people are not necessarily mentally disturbed; most are as mentally balanced as the most mentally balanced heterosexuals.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:42 pm
Nemesis Erinys Ok, I thought I might not rant, but it turns out I have something to rant about a little. I see that someone in a previous post said "I believe that gays/bi's should just stay where they've been the last few hundred years --in the dark and away from me." Guess what? Homosexuality hasn't always been regarded the way it is now AT ALL! In ancient Rome and Greek -- most likely the foundations for the society you live in -- homosexuality and bisexuality were widespread, out in the open, and even celebrated. In other countries -- Japan, for example -- not only were celebratory of homosexuality and bisexuality (ever heard of the samurai "man-love?") but they were more sexually open, period. Unlike Western civilizations with Judaic religions, Oriental religions and cultures celebrated sex and sexuality as a beautiful part of life. Greece/Rome: When was the last time that it was celebrated?
Japan: At what point in history was the last samurai-'man-love'?
Religious part: That also is a huge player in this. I have been raised as a strict Christian in the Western Hemisphere. I have been raised to shrink away from most things 'suggestive' but to show people the right way, if they are willing to see it. When the religious side of things enters a topic like thus, we are entering a dark and murky section of a strange --and often scary-- land where people are easily offended and hurt.
Every Body!:
For the rest of this topic, can we do our best not to bring religion into this? Too many people may be offended.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:03 pm
dvn -camilla price- Nemesis Erinys Ok, I thought I might not rant, but it turns out I have something to rant about a little. I see that someone in a previous post said "I believe that gays/bi's should just stay where they've been the last few hundred years --in the dark and away from me." Guess what? Homosexuality hasn't always been regarded the way it is now AT ALL! In ancient Rome and Greek -- most likely the foundations for the society you live in -- homosexuality and bisexuality were widespread, out in the open, and even celebrated. In other countries -- Japan, for example -- not only were celebratory of homosexuality and bisexuality (ever heard of the samurai "man-love?") but they were more sexually open, period. Unlike Western civilizations with Judaic religions, Oriental religions and cultures celebrated sex and sexuality as a beautiful part of life. Greece/Rome: When was the last time that it was celebrated?
Japan: At what point in history was the last samurai-'man-love'?
Religious part: That also is a huge player in this. I have been raised as a strict Christian in the Western Hemisphere. I have been raised to shrink away from most things 'suggestive' but to show people the right way, if they are willing to see it. When the religious side of things enters a topic like thus, we are entering a dark and murky section of a strange --and often scary-- land where people are easily offended and hurt.
Every Body!:
For the rest of this topic, can we do our best not to bring religion into this? Too many people may be offended. First of all, this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent discussion, so I think any effort to squash the topic of religion or remove it from discussion is, fankly, bullshit. It's extremely relevant to the topic and therefore not only can be discussed but should be. Anyway, directly relating to that, in both of those areas of the world, homosexuality was only demonized after judeo-christian religions were introduced to the culture.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:17 pm
Nemesis Erinys dvn -camilla price- Nemesis Erinys Ok, I thought I might not rant, but it turns out I have something to rant about a little. I see that someone in a previous post said "I believe that gays/bi's should just stay where they've been the last few hundred years --in the dark and away from me." Guess what? Homosexuality hasn't always been regarded the way it is now AT ALL! In ancient Rome and Greek -- most likely the foundations for the society you live in -- homosexuality and bisexuality were widespread, out in the open, and even celebrated. In other countries -- Japan, for example -- not only were celebratory of homosexuality and bisexuality (ever heard of the samurai "man-love?") but they were more sexually open, period. Unlike Western civilizations with Judaic religions, Oriental religions and cultures celebrated sex and sexuality as a beautiful part of life. Greece/Rome: When was the last time that it was celebrated?
Japan: At what point in history was the last samurai-'man-love'?
Religious part: That also is a huge player in this. I have been raised as a strict Christian in the Western Hemisphere. I have been raised to shrink away from most things 'suggestive' but to show people the right way, if they are willing to see it. When the religious side of things enters a topic like thus, we are entering a dark and murky section of a strange --and often scary-- land where people are easily offended and hurt.
Every Body!:
For the rest of this topic, can we do our best not to bring religion into this? Too many people may be offended. First of all, this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent discussion, so I think any effort to squash the topic of religion or remove it from discussion is, fankly, bullshit. It's extremely relevant to the topic and therefore not only can be discussed but should be. Anyway, directly relating to that, in both of those areas of the world, homosexuality was only demonized after judeo-christian religions were introduced to the culture. Fine, but you are only asking for a can of worms most people cannot fight for.
But if you knew the story that both the Jewish And Christian people believe as the beggining, [The story of Adam and Eve] then wouldnt those religions have been around scince the beggining of time? So there would have not been a before to our people [I am Christian and often refer to it as such.] So to say 'homosexuality was only demonized after judeo-chrisian...' is implying there was a before. This is in direct contrast to our beliefs, so would be directly disgaurded by any true Jewish/Christian person. I cannot put this to the Muslim/Islamic religion for I personally do not know their ideas.
Or are you referring to Moses's Ten Commandments? Neither of those say anything about homosexuality, it is in an often forgotten book of the Bible that refuses homosexuality.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:24 pm
dvn -camilla price- Nemesis Erinys dvn -camilla price- Nemesis Erinys Ok, I thought I might not rant, but it turns out I have something to rant about a little. I see that someone in a previous post said "I believe that gays/bi's should just stay where they've been the last few hundred years --in the dark and away from me." Guess what? Homosexuality hasn't always been regarded the way it is now AT ALL! In ancient Rome and Greek -- most likely the foundations for the society you live in -- homosexuality and bisexuality were widespread, out in the open, and even celebrated. In other countries -- Japan, for example -- not only were celebratory of homosexuality and bisexuality (ever heard of the samurai "man-love?") but they were more sexually open, period. Unlike Western civilizations with Judaic religions, Oriental religions and cultures celebrated sex and sexuality as a beautiful part of life. Greece/Rome: When was the last time that it was celebrated?
Japan: At what point in history was the last samurai-'man-love'?
Religious part: That also is a huge player in this. I have been raised as a strict Christian in the Western Hemisphere. I have been raised to shrink away from most things 'suggestive' but to show people the right way, if they are willing to see it. When the religious side of things enters a topic like thus, we are entering a dark and murky section of a strange --and often scary-- land where people are easily offended and hurt.
Every Body!:
For the rest of this topic, can we do our best not to bring religion into this? Too many people may be offended. First of all, this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent discussion, so I think any effort to squash the topic of religion or remove it from discussion is, fankly, bullshit. It's extremely relevant to the topic and therefore not only can be discussed but should be. Anyway, directly relating to that, in both of those areas of the world, homosexuality was only demonized after judeo-christian religions were introduced to the culture. Fine, but you are only asking for a can of worms most people cannot fight for.
But if you knew the story that both the Jewish And Christian people believe as the beggining, [The story of Adam and Eve] then wouldnt those religions have been around scince the beggining of time? So there would have not been a before to our people [I am Christian and often refer to it as such.] So to say 'homosexuality was only demonized after judeo-chrisian...' is implying there was a before. This is in direct contrast to our beliefs, so would be directly disgaurded by any true Jewish/Christian person. I cannot put this to the Muslim/Islamic religion for I personally do not know their ideas.
Or are you referring to Moses's Ten Commandments? Neither of those say anything about homosexuality, it is in an often forgotten book of the Bible that refuses homosexuality. Historical evidence shows that there was a "before," since judeo-christian religions didn't exist in those regions of the world (example: all of America) until they were introduced there by travelers and by priests who came to teach the "barbarians" how to live like christians.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:35 pm
Nemesis Erinys dvn -camilla price- Nemesis Erinys dvn -camilla price- Nemesis Erinys Ok, I thought I might not rant, but it turns out I have something to rant about a little. I see that someone in a previous post said "I believe that gays/bi's should just stay where they've been the last few hundred years --in the dark and away from me." Guess what? Homosexuality hasn't always been regarded the way it is now AT ALL! In ancient Rome and Greek -- most likely the foundations for the society you live in -- homosexuality and bisexuality were widespread, out in the open, and even celebrated. In other countries -- Japan, for example -- not only were celebratory of homosexuality and bisexuality (ever heard of the samurai "man-love?") but they were more sexually open, period. Unlike Western civilizations with Judaic religions, Oriental religions and cultures celebrated sex and sexuality as a beautiful part of life. Greece/Rome: When was the last time that it was celebrated?
Japan: At what point in history was the last samurai-'man-love'?
Religious part: That also is a huge player in this. I have been raised as a strict Christian in the Western Hemisphere. I have been raised to shrink away from most things 'suggestive' but to show people the right way, if they are willing to see it. When the religious side of things enters a topic like thus, we are entering a dark and murky section of a strange --and often scary-- land where people are easily offended and hurt.
Every Body!:
For the rest of this topic, can we do our best not to bring religion into this? Too many people may be offended. First of all, this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent discussion, so I think any effort to squash the topic of religion or remove it from discussion is, fankly, bullshit. It's extremely relevant to the topic and therefore not only can be discussed but should be. Anyway, directly relating to that, in both of those areas of the world, homosexuality was only demonized after judeo-christian religions were introduced to the culture. Fine, but you are only asking for a can of worms most people cannot fight for.
But if you knew the story that both the Jewish And Christian people believe as the beggining, [The story of Adam and Eve] then wouldnt those religions have been around scince the beggining of time? So there would have not been a before to our people [I am Christian and often refer to it as such.] So to say 'homosexuality was only demonized after judeo-chrisian...' is implying there was a before. This is in direct contrast to our beliefs, so would be directly disgaurded by any true Jewish/Christian person. I cannot put this to the Muslim/Islamic religion for I personally do not know their ideas.
Or are you referring to Moses's Ten Commandments? Neither of those say anything about homosexuality, it is in an often forgotten book of the Bible that refuses homosexuality. Historical evidence shows that there was a "before," since judeo-christian religions didn't exist in those regions of the world (example: all of America) until they were introduced there by travelers and by priests who came to teach the "barbarians" how to live like christians. Scientific study shows nothing when it comes to religion. Just because you cannot prove there is a God, doesnt mean there isn't one. This is how I translated the Adam and Eve story personally:
When the Earth was created, by God Almighty, so were Adam and soon Eve. They decided [after a small persuasion] that it may be a good idea to eat the forbidden fruit and see what happens. So they did and so God punished them.
They lived and had children yadda yadda. The Earth had shaped into continents and by then, all of Adams and Eves' children had spread througout the world, living on all continents.
Like with the fruit, with minimal persuasion by the Devil, people started to believe strange religions such as what the Native American's religion, the Islamic, and others.
It is like this with all things, things change and adapt to be fit their surroundings. Just because some religions differ from one another, doesnt mean they all started at diffrent areas, from diffrent religions. Just because someone looks diffrent, doesnt mean the race they are from is not human and came from the same place and time.
I have to go for today. I will be on tomarrow if you wish to continue this conversation/debate.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:04 pm
Actually, there is a name for that philoshophy (i.e if I don't understand God, or something of the like, it must not be true or possible.), it is called humanism. Humanism is bull. Period. Very few people really understand homosexuality, human existence, and why people are people, but these things don't cease to happen just because they can't be understood.
I agree that people are a bit uneasy about those who are different from them, but she does bring up a point. Live and let live, you are people like everyone else. However, I just wish everyone would let their personal lives be personal.
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 10:06 am
I have a theory relating homosexuality and evolution...
It has been proven that species grow, adapt, and evolve naturally to survive. There is also risk of overpopulation, which drains resources and reduces means of survival.
It is my theory that the human race is overpopulated and that an increase in homosexuality is a natural counter to this, to slow reproduction. It's not like we're going to go around and thin the herd,after all. I hear scientists are doing experiments, looking to see if there's some gene that determines sexual preference. Assuming it does exist, my theory may have some backing.
Anyway, I don't have much proof to back this up. But it IS just a theory. I'll be taking notes if anyone has something to contribute, criticize, or blatantly flame.
Oh, I'm Atheist, straight, and I support gay rights.
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:01 pm
And it's odd how they use the term 'gay' as an insult.
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:35 pm
niqi_mo ok , i dont get why people are always against gays. So your religion tells you its wrong, so what?? Im a christian and im proud to be bi-sexual, Damn it!! To all those who are against gays ; well ... i dont get it, why are you against gays?? Im not against straight people and i know completley gay people who arent against straight people, theyre fair to you . Why cant you be fair to them ?? ninja I'm a Christian. Being gay isn't my cup of tea, but I'm not a b***h to people who are. God said, "Love thy neighbor", not "Judge thy neighbor", right? HOWEVER: I refuse to conform to 'political correctness'. I DO throw the word 'gay' around to mean silly/dumb. And I'll be damned if I'm going to stop and be 'politically correct' if I dare offend 1.16% of the population.
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:34 pm
Captain Loki Ragnarok And it's odd how they use the term 'gay' as an insult. It is a pet peeve of many, including myself, I'm a lesbian. Some people cannot fathom the opposite sexual preference I believe that that leads people to blatantly bash it and use it as a derogatory term as is the case with "retarded" as a slang. However it is also considered negative that specifically men act in effeminate ways and saying something is "gay" has been meant to mean that as well, it's annoying and uneducated by a long shot but people have to have a tolerance for intolerance to be tolerated in the end.
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:13 pm
Okay here goes...I'm prepared to get misunderstood and blasted for this but so be it:
I am against homosexuality.
NO i do not hate homosexuals, i'm just fine with the people, it's their same sex love I dislike.
No I don't go around flying anti-gay banners and such, but I'm tired of being told I'm closed minded. I'm not. And I'm just as much entitled to my opinion as supposedly 'open minded' people are.
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