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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:56 pm
Thank you SO much Divash and Nanao, you two just made me feel 100% better about myself.
I was subjected to my "friend" making lewd remarks about the fact that I politely rejected pork today. He's an awful anti-Semite. I don't understand the hate.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:10 pm
I think you should convert, and believe whatever you believe. My old Sunday school teacher was a conservative Jew who had converted into Judaism. While it is true that there are some people who might feel it is not right, the large majority of people will gladly welcome you to Judaism. Congratulations for rejecting the pork; the world will always be full of those anti-Semites. Don't forget, everyone in this world's ancestors were once Jewish and they had to convert away from it.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:21 pm
Shalom_Zeev I think you should convert, and believe whatever you believe. My old Sunday school teacher was a conservative Jew who had converted into Judaism. While it is true that there are some people who might feel it is not right, the large majority of people will gladly welcome you to Judaism. Congratulations for rejecting the pork; the world will always be full of those anti-Semites. Don't forget, everyone in this world's ancestors were once Jewish and they had to convert away from it. I am going to convert. I made this decision two years ago. I need to contact a rabbi, am terrified for this. I am even unsure if I even have Jewish lineage which is closer than many centuries ago. I am Italian. However, there is no way to find this out, church records burnt, and with that were records of everyone's background. On my mother's side of the family... no one will tell me anything. I am forbidden to tell my French grandmother about this. =]
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:42 pm
Hi! Im also converting, however, I am leaning more towards reform or reconstructionist judaism. I don't know as much about conservative and orthodox judaism.
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:02 pm
Welcome, both of you. I wish you good luck. Conversion is not an easy thing to do, but when you complete your conversion, it will feel worthwhile.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:56 pm
(Throws his Yamakule into the ring)
Hi, I'm Neuf. I'm one of the few jews who regards himself as a soloist.
I have not found a congregation that suits me, so... I don't go to temple.
My synagogue is a small corner of my bedroom with my late grandfather's 6 point menorah from Israel, an old metal challah plate from my late grandmother, a set of shabbas candle sticks from my other late grandmother, A Talis and Tefillin from my parents, my other late grandfather's all hebrew prayer book, a Tanakh from my family for my bar mitzvah and my own modern siddur for the hebrew impared and a havdallah set that I procured. As well as 2 kaddish cups (one glass, one stainless) that my brother and sister got for me, and my ultra small compact shabbat candle holders that I take camping.
That's all.
Things like Seder Plates, Haggadas, Chanukah Menorahs (Chanukias), and other such things belong to my family, but what is on my altar (which technically is a buffet table that my grandfather built) I claim as my birthright and use in medatative solace.
I may be considered the odd duck, but I have a very interesting way of looking at Judaism as a personal religion.
So don't worry about talkin to a rabbi, what temple to belong too, or wondering if your a reformed or an orthodox or a conservodox or a reconservodox or whatever. You have to be comfortable with Judaism as a self identity, or else you might become overwhelmed by the culture shock of it all.
As for the whole gay lesbian thing, don't worry about that. I find most jews, including myself, understand that everyone has their own way of going about enjoying life. That and Judaism has a tenant of "Healing the World" which includes social issues and equality among people (at least in my humble opinion it does) And as history has shown, when the powers that be start focusing hatred upon the Jewish People, homosexuals aren't too far behind on the hit list.
So... any questions?
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:19 pm
The majority of you lot are incredibly sweet!
=]!
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:38 pm
Our religion is extremely small, and, in a way, needs more people and it is a wonderful thing when a person finds it inside them self the will to convert; no matter what type of Jew they wish to become
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:41 pm
Zeev 3nodding
It's a beautiful religion, I cannot wait until I can officially say that I am helping to keep the tradition alive, and that my children (hypothetical) will be blessed with the gift of belonging to Judaism.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:44 pm
I'm with Neuf in that I practice alone. There's a Reform group in the city I live in, but I haven't really clicked with them. I interpret the rules on my own, and practice in what I assume is a unique way. Like Neuf I have all my stuff set in a corner of my dorm room, on my dresser. Despite this, I have an incredibly strong feeling of brotherhood with other Jews. It is, indeed, possible to simply be a Jew without attaching Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, or any other label to yourself.
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:57 am
You're right, Neuf and DD. According to some figures I've seen, but can't cite the source, at least twenty percent of US Jews are unaffiliated with any synagogue or movement (Reform, Orthodox, Reconstructionist, Conservative, Jewish Humanist, Jewish Renewal, Chavurah). They check the Jewish box on their SAT forms because they're required to give a religion, or they check it on census forms, but otherwise their connection is purely ethnic and/or religious -- personal, that is -- rather than "official" in any way.
I affiliate with a movement in the first place (any movement; it happens to be Orthodoxy) largely because I'm not nearly knowledgeable about Torah, Tanakh, and Talmud to be able to interpret them for myself. I'm such a beginner at religious observance; I may always be a beginner, since I was reared in an observant home. Children reared in observant homes absorb so much information simply by having their parents know things and do things in front of them. I didn't have that. I also didn't go to a Jewish school or university. There's a lot of material I don't know, and if I don't know it, I can't really interpret it. But a fully educated rabbi is familiar with the vast body of Jewish literature -- canon, law, and modern responsa -- and can help me by presenting me with the information I need in order to know, in practical terms, how to best live my Jewish life.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:05 am
So... does that make us a congregation?
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:10 pm
LordNeuf So... does that make us a congregation? *snickers* I'm all for it. I wouldn't worry so much about it Res- there's always somebody in the world who will accept you for who you are; I just hope you find the right people. My whole family is Jewish, but I'm really the only one who cares/practices it, so I'm trying to learn everything like a convert.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:01 pm
LordNeuf So... does that make us a congregation? Hey, I like that idea. we couldnt share challah or do shabbat services together, but we could do torah study on the sabbath/saturday morning. razz
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:43 pm
4va LordNeuf So... does that make us a congregation? Hey, I like that idea. we couldnt share challah or do shabbat services together, but we could do torah study on the sabbath/saturday morning. razz It could happen, we keep threatening to meet up one day.
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