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Diadema

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:24 pm


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I'd really have to do some more research on whether or not periods or ovulation time even effect it. It's not the rythym method where you guess and see if your wrong or not. It's based on body temperature and other things.

Oh, I see. That would be more reliable; the method I was taught was the rhythm method.
Yeah, I agree with you, that one's kinda iffy.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:01 am


Alright...I'm Catholic, lemme say that. Don't think I"m a religious nut, any Christian can tell you how frustrating it is to talk to me about "evolution is not real," "Gay people are all sinners" etc. Same goes for premarital sex. I won't do it, because personally, I attach to people and I just do'nt wannna bond that closely and have a stronger possibility of breaking up. It'd tear me up. No matter how selfish guys call me for not having sex, just don't need it, and I'm not taking that kinda risk, more on my emotional than physical health.

It's like a lot of people have said. It's not about sex, it's about the responsibilities you take on yourself. Getting into a car doesn't work, just like getting in a bed doesn't give you any reason to fear pregnancy. Once you get into a car and speed, drink, let yourself be distracted, etc. then it become compareable to having sex. The car is no longer an everyday tool. It is now a potentially dangerous tool. Cars are always dangerous, yeah, but once you stop being a good driver, you should be prepared to accept a speeding ticket or having your license revoked if you get pulled over. Once you get in bed, or anywhere really, and have sex, there is a possibility that due to your direct actions, you'll get pregnant. When you get a ticket, do you tear it up or do you go pay the fine? Possibly appealing, but hey, don't forget you were speeding or driving dangerously somehow, so what's the chances of that working? If you weren't driving dangerously, you're fine, you won't get in trouble. If you're not having sex, you're fine, you won't get pregnant. Sex is dangerous, I think we all realize that. STDs, pregnancy, etc. Even safe sex is a risk. Abortion is not accepting responsibility. It is accepting that something didn't go as planned, and there's an easy way out at the expense of at least one other human.

Is it responsible to prevent that child from being a burden? Just wondering, how many people in the world have never been burdens? I think about....none. I can guarantee that everyone viewing this now has been a burden, and that every person in here who is or was a burden for someone is treasure for another. It is irresponsible to decide someone's fate without even knowing him or her. It is irresponsible to decide he or she is better off dead without giving that person a chance. It is irresponsible to assume that what is the easiest way for you to keep living like you do is the best thing for the fetus. Abortion is nothing but harmful towards the fetus. To say a fetus is better off never being born is the same as what they said years ago about slavery. They are better off as slaves because free blacks have a hard life, what with lynchings and all. Slaves were given no choice. People who didn't know them were deciding what they were worth and what would make thier lives better. To judge another without knowing him or her is irresponsible. Aborting to keep the child from being a burden is irresponsible.

Maybe it could be argued that it is responsible for people already born, but it is not responsible to abort for the sake of the fetus to keep that child from the harshness of the world. It is making an assumption based off of your own experiences, failing to take into account the personality of the individual or that the situation may change drastically within the first few years of that child's life.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:21 pm


Yes, that may be true lymelady. But, like sex, you can drive safely and still get a ticket. Maybe the cop was having a bad day, maybe the speed sign was stolen and you were going 10 miles over it without realizing it, accidents happen.

But, once you get that ticket, you can go get it fixed. Going down to the drivers place (forgot the name) and paying it is an option you choose to do legally. Abortion is an option you choose to do legaly. Now, you may do it at the distress of other people, but they can't do anything to stop you. A cop cannot tell you to go down to the court house and wait in a much longer line, take forever to prossess, and then pay a processing fee when thed drivers place will just take the cash with a smile.

Options, options.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:41 am


For the people who say "No sex until you are ready for children", does the word "Condom" mean anything to you? Some people are childfree, you know.

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Yi Min

PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:21 pm


I have once been told, in real life, that I shouldn't be having sex with my husband unless we are trying to have a child. I have a ton of problems with the "keep your legs closed" argument.

I will NOT keep my legs closed and keep from having sex with my husband to make someone else happy. I will not have children until I am financially, emotionally and physically able to take care of a child. I will not stop my education or goals for someone elses happiness. What makes them think that if we can barely financially handle ourselves, that we'll be able to handle a child?

I have also found that these very same people will critize and look down on you for not being able to financially support your child. These are the very same people who look down on young mothers who chose to drop out of school to take care of their child.

I am not saying that I would ever get an abortion. But, I am saying that these people have no right to tell others when they should start having children. Just because someone is married, doesn't mean they automatically have everything it takes to raise a child properly. And as long as I can get my birth control, I will have sex with my husband for reasons that are none of your business.

*You/Your/them/they- refering to those who use the "Keep your legs shut" argument. Which, I have only seen being used in real life. It has been used in ED as well, but I don't recall it being used by any of the pro-lifers who can spell and use grammar. xd I didn't mean for that to come out rant-like. It really does hit a nerve.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:00 pm


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The fetus doesn't hurt you, except in that it causes some discomfort for the nine months.


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And that doesn't even begin to cover the damage it causes to your bank account.

Also, keep in mind, if it's an unwanted pregnancy, then the risk of damage to mental health as well as physical health exists. If you support abortion for health purpose, it'd damn well better include mental health.

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Diadema

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:04 pm


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The fetus doesn't hurt you, except in that it causes some discomfort for the nine months.
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And that doesn't even begin to cover the damage it causes to your bank account.

Also, keep in mind, if it's an unwanted pregnancy, then the risk of damage to mental health as well as physical health exists. If you support abortion for health purpose, it'd damn well better include mental health.
Compared to the eight-foot list of abortion complications, I think leg cramps fade in comparison. If you'd like a list, there's a decent one here, though I didn't get a lot of time to sift through several webpages and get the least-biased one. This one has cited statistics, though.

Also: the side effects of pregnancy, while sometimes dangerous, are a result of a natural condition that the body is able to deal with. The side effects of abortion are the results of a foreign drug treatment or invasive surgery.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:49 pm


lymelady


It's like a lot of people have said. It's not about sex, it's about the responsibilities you take on yourself. Getting into a car doesn't work, just like getting in a bed doesn't give you any reason to fear pregnancy. Once you get into a car and speed, drink, let yourself be distracted, etc. then it become compareable to having sex. The car is no longer an everyday tool. It is now a potentially dangerous tool. Cars are always dangerous, yeah, but once you stop being a good driver, you should be prepared to accept a speeding ticket or having your license revoked if you get pulled over.


Cars are potentially dangerous even when you are a good/responsible driver. All three car wrecks I have been in, were due to someone running a red light, a drunk driver, and someone who thought a stop sign was optional.

So, safe sex can be comparable to safe driving. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. Even if you are a responsible driver, you still can get into a problem from someone else failing to be safe as well or even from your brakes failing. Even if you are responsible with sex, you can still get pregnant because of the devices not working properly.

Yi Min


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:12 pm


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:54 am


I realized the car thing about a few months after I posted, but I realized it somewhere else and haven't been here in a year I think sweatdrop

To the cop having a bad day, you appeal in court and you don't have to pay the fine if you weren't doing anything wrong. Especially if it was that time of month for police.

To getting into bed being compared to getting into a car and driving safely, I think it's more compareable that you get into bed and someone rapes you. It's completely the fault of someone else. Getting into a car and doing everything you can to prevent an accident but someone else drives unsafely and gets you in an accident is not due to your actions. The burden is completely on someone else's, whereas, if you have consentual safe sex, you're still not doing all you can to prevent pregnancy. You are willingly risking the life of another individual by risking bringing it into being knowing that you will abort.

I'm not saying don't have recreational sex. I'd be a hypocrite if I did that, I'm not planning on getting married and saying, "Get out the chart, let's map my fertility to get us some babies!" Recreational sex can be a wonderful thing for a relationship, and not necessarily within a marriage, either. I don't really care who has sex, why they have sex, where they have sex, how they have sex. I only care once they bring a human being into the world, stop and say, "Well we aren't ready for this," and kill the human being. It is not responsible in my opinion and can't be.

If you want to be child free, get your tubes tied. I personally think doctors are too strict about hysterectomies. But no matter how safe you try to make your sex, there is ALWAYS the danger of creating a new life, and if your situation is in a way where you feel you need to kill that human even though it's your fault he or she is there in the first place, I don't call abortion a responsible option. You run the risk, you knew the consequences, it's not responsible to kill someone just because you want to have sex.

lymelady


Yi Min

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:54 am


lymelady


To getting into bed being compared to getting into a car and driving safely, I think it's more compareable that you get into bed and someone rapes you. It's completely the fault of someone else. Getting into a car and doing everything you can to prevent an accident but someone else drives unsafely and gets you in an accident is not due to your actions. The burden is completely on someone else's, whereas, if you have consentual safe sex, you're still not doing all you can to prevent pregnancy. You are willingly risking the life of another individual by risking bringing it into being knowing that you will abort.


You could compare having safe sex and then the condom breaking with the breaks going out on your car or being faulty from the factory. Why? Because if you use both correctly, they shouldn't fail. However, if they are flawed from manufacter, it still isn't your fault that those breaks went out or that condom failed.
PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:06 pm


Yi Min
lymelady


To getting into bed being compared to getting into a car and driving safely, I think it's more compareable that you get into bed and someone rapes you. It's completely the fault of someone else. Getting into a car and doing everything you can to prevent an accident but someone else drives unsafely and gets you in an accident is not due to your actions. The burden is completely on someone else's, whereas, if you have consentual safe sex, you're still not doing all you can to prevent pregnancy. You are willingly risking the life of another individual by risking bringing it into being knowing that you will abort.


You could compare having safe sex and then the condom breaking with the breaks going out on your car or being faulty from the factory. Why? Because if you use both correctly, they shouldn't fail. However, if they are flawed from manufacter, it still isn't your fault that those breaks went out or that condom failed.
Very good point. I'll have to think about that.

lymelady


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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 9:47 am


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 5:17 pm


Most of us don't care if you have sex or not or don't want kids and don't care if you have sex for pleasure or what not, it's the abortion we disagree with.

You think all of us just what sex for kids? Exspecially when married? Then a lot of us won't have sex often then....We like sex for pleasure too and not all of us want kids either, the real difference is we disagree with abortion in we do get pregnant.

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:05 pm


Diadema
It is possible to have sex withing the fulfilling adult relationship and not have children for sure. Yep, it's called abstinence.

I'm partially kidding. Abstinence, yes, but no at the same time. You may have heard of NFP, Natural Family Planning. This is a natural birth control that measures when the woman is fertile, and the couple simply abstains from sex during that time. Very low failure rate.


Very low failure rate. Same with EVERY OTHER birth control utility out there.

So since you are so sure this is the way to go, what happens when someone gets pregnent while doing NFP? It still would be the same situation. There is no cure to pregnancy. Stuff happens. Even to the most responsible people.

When birth control fails, I see no difference in the woman who used birth control and DIDNT get pregnant vs. the woman who used birth control and DID get pregnant, and sadly gets an abortion. Honestly. The pregnancy was a fluke. It wouldnt have mattered to anyone if she hadn't gotten pregnant in the first place. That egg can go down the drain whenever it pleases, but if it's fertilized? OH NO! We must KEEP it! because killing that blob of cells is MURDER.

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