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 Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:45 pm
boconnotto My opinion on the matter is just what it was when I first heard about the releases:
They should translate, not Americanize. They're trying to appeal to the cosplay and anime fans, and while doing so alienating and pissing off the lolita community. They're just, over all, pissing off the biggest business potential they have without even trying. That fashion show that they held at NYAF was pretty awful, too.
Out of the photos I've seen of it, there was only one "designer" I liked--and what the hell is with all the Blasphemina's Closet promotion from these companies? Her clothes look like they were ripped out of ugly 60s tableclothes or couch covers.
i totaly agree!
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:54 pm
i am a member of tokyopop so i took the liberty of complaining on the 'call out for lolitas' page of their site:
this is so bad, your treating it like cosplay! like lolita isnt treated like cosplay already, this is just going to worsen the situation. tokyopop is just catering for a anime/manga audience! you dont give a dam about the EGL community! FANART!?!?! this isnt some cartoon! its a fashion and lifestyle and deserves to be treated as such!
the next comment was:
that really needed to be said. Its really True that this is a fashion and lifestyle and should be treated like one and with respect. Not looked at like cosplay or dress up.
i feel so much better now ive said that ^.^
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:37 pm
Lolita is a book.
A good book too, that I've heard...
In the book a girl named Lolita dress in an odd but victorian style.
Lolita, I believe, was based off of that girl.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:40 pm
divine_retrobution i am a member of tokyopop so i took the liberty of complaining on the 'call out for lolitas' page of their site: this is so bad, your treating it like cosplay! like lolita isnt treated like cosplay already, this is just going to worsen the situation. tokyopop is just catering for a anime/manga audience! you dont give a dam about the EGL community! FANART!?!?! this isnt some cartoon! its a fashion and lifestyle and deserves to be treated as such! the next comment was: that really needed to be said. Its really True that this is a fashion and lifestyle and should be treated like one and with respect. Not looked at like cosplay or dress up. i feel so much better now ive said that ^.^ Agree.
It's no where near Cosplaying, because Cosplay is short for costume play.
Which normally means you're playing as a character and you're dressing up as them. Like a werid roleplay, But lolita is not costume play, it's a way of life and a fashion.
Their is no character from anything I can think of that's it's played off of, none from any anime which cosplay is normally used for.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:42 pm
Lumina-Rose Lolita is a book.
A good book too, that I've heard...
In the book a girl named Lolita dress in an odd but victorian style.
Lolita, I believe, was based off of that girl.
Lolita was a tomboy living in the 40's in the book. Not in a fancy dress.
And at your latest post, Lolita is just a fashion first and foremost.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:42 pm
Lumina-Rose Lolita is a book.
A good book too, that I've heard...
In the book a girl named Lolita dress in an odd but victorian style.
Lolita, I believe, was based off of that girl. >....> You know nothing of Lolita do you? Even the most basic beginner's to the style who have researched or read the Lolita Handbook will tell you that Lolita the fashion has nothing to do with the book because the usual connotation made with the book is promiscuity and sexuality which is NOT what Lolita the fashion is.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:50 pm
boconnotto
Out of the photos I've seen of it, there was only one "designer" I liked--and what the hell is with all the Blasphemina's Closet promotion from these companies? Her clothes look like they were ripped out of ugly 60s tableclothes or couch covers.
judging based on her website, I think her clothes are a little more "out there" and not quite like most other lolita clothes.... idk if that's a good thing or a bad thing? Samantha Rei (owner/designer of Blasphemina's Closet) actually lives in my state (MN), and will be at the upcoming convention so I'm prbly gonna meet her XD she's got an art table and everything, but idk if she's selling art or her clothes maybe it looks better in person than pictures. I've never seen any of the ads/promotions, but the website pictures aren't really the greatest
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:11 am
Lumina-Rose Lolita is a book.
A good book too, that I've heard...
In the book a girl named Lolita dress in an odd but victorian style.
Lolita, I believe, was based off of that girl. um research is your friend
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:53 pm
TalaRayne boconnotto
Out of the photos I've seen of it, there was only one "designer" I liked--and what the hell is with all the Blasphemina's Closet promotion from these companies? Her clothes look like they were ripped out of ugly 60s tableclothes or couch covers.
judging based on her website, I think her clothes are a little more "out there" and not quite like most other lolita clothes.... idk if that's a good thing or a bad thing? Samantha Rei (owner/designer of Blasphemina's Closet) actually lives in my state (MN), and will be at the upcoming convention so I'm prbly gonna meet her XD she's got an art table and everything, but idk if she's selling art or her clothes maybe it looks better in person than pictures. I've never seen any of the ads/promotions, but the website pictures aren't really the greatest
No. xD The pictures of her stuff from NYAF's Tokyopop fashion show were bad.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:15 pm
-Lolita_Kana- Lumina-Rose Lolita is a book.
A good book too, that I've heard...
In the book a girl named Lolita dress in an odd but victorian style.
Lolita, I believe, was based off of that girl. >....> You know nothing of Lolita do you? Even the most basic beginner's to the style who have researched or read the Lolita Handbook will tell you that Lolita the fashion has nothing to do with the book because the usual connotation made with the book is promiscuity and sexuality which is NOT what Lolita the fashion is.
TalaRayne: I dunno. The photos aren't really of lolita outfits. Some of the skirts she's made, I like. They're cute--but that doesn't make them lolita at all.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:45 pm
boconnotto -Lolita_Kana- Lumina-Rose Lolita is a book.
A good book too, that I've heard...
In the book a girl named Lolita dress in an odd but victorian style.
Lolita, I believe, was based off of that girl. >....> You know nothing of Lolita do you? Even the most basic beginner's to the style who have researched or read the Lolita Handbook will tell you that Lolita the fashion has nothing to do with the book because the usual connotation made with the book is promiscuity and sexuality which is NOT what Lolita the fashion is.
TalaRayne: I dunno. The photos aren't really of lolita outfits. Some of the skirts she's made, I like. They're cute--but that doesn't make them lolita at all.
Oh trust me they will because from now on my response will be "You don't now anything about Lolita so go here and make this your best friend before posting again"
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:54 am
Amanikitty TalaRayne boconnotto
Out of the photos I've seen of it, there was only one "designer" I liked--and what the hell is with all the Blasphemina's Closet promotion from these companies? Her clothes look like they were ripped out of ugly 60s tableclothes or couch covers.
judging based on her website, I think her clothes are a little more "out there" and not quite like most other lolita clothes.... idk if that's a good thing or a bad thing? Samantha Rei (owner/designer of Blasphemina's Closet) actually lives in my state (MN), and will be at the upcoming convention so I'm prbly gonna meet her XD she's got an art table and everything, but idk if she's selling art or her clothes maybe it looks better in person than pictures. I've never seen any of the ads/promotions, but the website pictures aren't really the greatest
No. xD The pictures of her stuff from NYAF's Tokyopop fashion show were bad.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.- aw... maybe I should try to start a clothing line :3 hho1/2k I can't sew too well, but wanna major in clothing design biggrin @ boconotto: yea, that's what I meant by 'out there'. they're cool, but not particularily lolita. and I read your FAQ! I like it smile
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:43 am
Lumina-Rose Lolita is a book.
A good book too, that I've heard...
In the book a girl named Lolita dress in an odd but victorian style.
Lolita, I believe, was based off of that girl. No doubt its a book if its that popular even among those who dont know what lolita is (trust me ive asked XP) Although, its not exactly the most innocent idea. Its quite controversial because they use the term lolita as a provocative child :/ so its up to you :/ or maybe im thinking of another book XP
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:53 am
blackrose11 Lumina-Rose Lolita is a book.
A good book too, that I've heard...
In the book a girl named Lolita dress in an odd but victorian style.
Lolita, I believe, was based off of that girl. No doubt its a book if its that popular even among those who dont know what lolita is (trust me ive asked XP) Although, its not exactly the most innocent idea. Its quite controversial because they use the term lolita as a provocative child :/ so its up to you :/ or maybe im thinking of another book XP its beacuase of that sick pervs book that my mum wont let me be a lolita beacause she says people will think im a child prostitute beacuase according to that book that is what a lolita is!
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:16 am
"But in my arms, she was always Lolita."
Lolita is a brilliantly written novel, author Vladimir Nobokov, in the 1950s.
The narrator of the story is one Humbert Humbert, prone to an obsession with nymphets, or sexually desirable young girls. Unsurprisingly, he becomes sexually obsessed with a 12 year old girl by the name of Dolores Haze-- Lolita.
He rents a room from her mother for the purpose of getting closer to the child and eventually marries the mother for the same purpose. The term and name Lolita comes from the name of Dolores, who is referred to in various places through the book as "Dolly, Lolita, Lola, Lo, L" and so on.
He keeps a diary detailing his lust for the girl, which the mother eventually finds. When she intends to flee with her daughter, she's hit by a car and killed. Humbert picks Lolita up from a camp and tells her her mother's ill in the hospital and takes her to a hotel where he intends to sedate and molest her. She in turn seduces him, revealing that he's not her first (she seduced another at the camp) and he eventually reveals that her mother's dead. They end up travelling the country, motel to motel, but eventually settle down and he poses as her father, bribing her all along the way for sexual favors. Numerous things happen, she's abducted by another ***** (and pornographer), and eventually escapes, marries a man, and gets pregnant, which is her state of life when Humbert meets her again.
Humbert murders the man who did abduct her and is arrested. In jail, he writes the book "Lolita" or "The Confessions of a Widowed White Male" and eventually dies while awaiting trial. Lolita dies as well, in childbirth.
The story, you find, is less about Dolores Haze and her past than it is about "Lolita," as was created by Humbert as he is unable and unwilling to listen to the actual girl and accept her on her own terms. Therefore you catch only glimpses of Dolores.
I adore Nobokov as a writer (on that note, I'm halfway through another book of his right now)-- as he is one who writes in such a fashion that as you think you've found a way to understand and step back to try and see that larger picture from a distance, you find the book's standing there from a distance studying you. And laughing.
That being said of his writing style-- The book, contrary to popular belief, is not an endorsement of *****> (an idea I find more prominent among those who have not actually read the novel). Rather, it provides in depth detail as to the tragic consequences of such actions. Nobokov himself refers to Humbert as "a hateful person" and a "vain and cruel wretch."
That Lolita had the strength to eventually escape-- to find and marry a man who loved her and to have his child... it is what gave Nobokov reason to call her one of his favorite characters, and the hero of the novel. She created her own pocket of freedom, and he considered the book to be a special favorite of his, the most difficult of books he's written, and one that left him with a "pleasant afterglow."
It is considered to be by many, myself included, one of the finest novels of the 20th century, and in 1998 was named the 4th greatest English language novel of the 20th century by the Modern Library.
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