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 Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:41 pm
dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 What is a pagan Jew? And I'm sorry, but you're link that you gave me didn't really connect for me. Connect the dots for me? ok then so the laws about sex and morality really have very little to do with morality what did we learn about the black plague unclean = unhealthy its an old history lesson that didn't sink in for a while so how does one become unclean well there are lots of ways working is one of the ways so is sex (use your imagination...or take my word for it) so thus laws were created to keep people clean and thus the population was healthier now lets move on to property laws how was property passed from one generation to the next back in the day (really isn't all that long ago 150 years or so tops) from father to son sorry ladies not all that long ago ya'll fell under covertures laws (Spanish had common law...they had to get something right I mean really who puts more cannons on a ship then can ever be fired...) oh and if your under 18 and live in the US you are by a technicality also considered property (crazy isn't it) ok back to the point so how did people make sure their property was passed down to their kid and not some other guys? thus came the limitations on sexuality its nothing more than a social control scam (not that over population didn't have anything to do with it) What is a pagan Jew? a Jew (remember that we are a culture all our own kinda like the French are from France) now all you need to know is what a pagan is I see. I would have to disagree with you, however. Most of thsoe laws were meant to keep people clean, I agree, and lead healthy lives etc etc. Because of modern sanitation (and because of the New covenant brought along by Jesus Christ, by which we, as Christians, are not bound to the Old Laws) the laws of sanitation and unhealthy foods and such that are found in the Bible are not followed by most Christians. (some do and that's fine.) I understand that you are Jewish (or a pagan Jew) and the New Testament probably doesn't hold much weight with you, however, the laws that are mentioned in the New Testament and by Jesus are the laws that we follow because we it is how we express our love to God and to others. ( AKA morality) One of the things mentioned in the New Testament is abstinence/purity. That is why I think God gave that specific law not only for cleanliness (I think avoiding STDS is a good thing...) and for morality. Here are some new Testament verse regarding the subject: [When we come to the New Testament we don't have verses explicitly describing the act of premarital sex and its consequences like we do in Exodus or Deuteronomy. It is clear, however, that virginity is still the standard for unmarried Christians and that sex outside the context of marriage is still considered sin.] 1 Corinthians 6:16-18 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. [Sexual intimacy "unites" you with the other person. When this uniting of flesh happens outside of marriage, it is called "sexual immorality." One fleshness is to be limited to the one you marry. This is similar to what we saw in Exodus 22:16-17.] 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 Now about the questions you asked in your letter. Yes, it is good to live a celibate life. But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband. [Notice that to avoid sexual immorality outside of marriage people should marry.] 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 Now I say to those who aren't married and to widows it's better to stay unmarried, just as I am. But if they can't control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It's better to marry than to burn with lust. [If you are struggling with wanting to have sex, get married. Premarital sex isn't an option for dealing with lust. It's either marriage or you are in sexual sin.] Ephesians 5:31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." [Paul is quoting from Genesis 2:24 and affirming the Old Testament standard of uniting in flesh only with your spouse. One fleshness is to happen when a man leaves his father and mother and is "united to his wife." Compare with 1 Corinthians 6:16-18.] 1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to acquire a wife in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this manner no one should cheat his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit. ["Acquire a wife in a way that is holy and honorable" or you are in sexual immorality. Sexual sin harms others besides those who engage in it. In adultery, the spouse is always wronged. Premarital sex "cheats" the future partner by robbing him or her of the virginity that ought to be brought to marriage.] Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. [Again, it's a pure marriage bed or you are an "adulterer" or "sexually immoral."] 1 Timothy 5:2 Treat older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity. [As a Christian man, if you are not married to her, then she is your sister (who you must treat "with absolute purity").] 1 Corinthians 7:7:28,34,36-38 [Note in these verses how virginity is assumed for unmarried women living in Christian homes. This is the same thing as we saw in the Old Testament. Virginity was the standard for God's people.] 2 Corinthians 11:2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. [Although this passage is talking about Christ and His people, it uses the analogy of a Christian man receiving his bride "as a pure virgin." Virginity was the ideal. Premarital sex was viewed as sexual immorality - just as in the Old Testament.] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The standard in both the Old and New Testament regarding premarital sex is the same. Premarital sex is considered sin and a violation of the uniting of bodies that should happen only in marriage. It is important to say, however, that many Christians have violated this standard. THIS WAS TRUE OF THOSE IN THE EARLY CHURCH TOO. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders... will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Both the Old Testament and the New Testament hold no weight in my mind and they are both...old sanitation really sucked until the 20th century we don't want to start in on the history behind the word "virgin" (trust me) oh and fyi, it is possible to contract an STD without having sex (think about it)
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:46 pm
promised_child lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people. now your just being ridiculous do you really want to go there? are you really that stuck in your ways you can't see Jewish people as anything more than "Gods chosen people" hate to break it to you but there was a time when Jewish culture was polytheistic
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:44 pm
leamhan Agape is Greek, and contrary to popular assumption, it is a human love, and used of every variety of love from love for God, love for children, to sexual love and the lust of a rapist for his victim. It has as many meanings as the English word 'love' has. Kind of...wrong. ἀγάπη (agape) refers specifically to a social, moral type of love, marked by charity and care towards all others. φιλῶ (phileo) is a friendly type of love, with a tender care. The type Peter would feel personally towards Jesus. ἔρως (eros) is the lustful, desiring love, which is the more passionate type of love. It could be used to describe a rapist's lusts. στοργή (storge) is the type of love found in familial relationships.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:19 pm
Am impressed ... both by the content and the sig. You really know what you are talking about, Icarus Dream.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:46 pm
lordstar promised_child lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people. now your just being ridiculous do you really want to go there? are you really that stuck in your ways you can't see Jewish people as anything more than "Gods chosen people" hate to break it to you but there was a time when Jewish culture was polytheistic Wow....you are....oh boy. ok I'm going to let promised Child take this one.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:21 pm
dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people. now your just being ridiculous do you really want to go there? are you really that stuck in your ways you can't see Jewish people as anything more than "Gods chosen people" hate to break it to you but there was a time when Jewish culture was polytheistic Wow....you are....oh boy. ok I'm going to let promised Child take this one. OHHHHH MYYYYYYY....... polythieistic? when- when abraham was still abram? abraham wasnt a jew- he was an ansestor of the jews. the jews are the children of ISREAL(the person) of the 12 tribes. the 12 children of Isreal. even in egypt- isreal held his convictions and his faith in God. or perhaps you were talking about when they went astray and worshiped ba'al, nope not polythiestic then either. i think you have just spoken from YOUR mind as opposed to the actual history of the nation of ISREAL. studdy the torrah and the tannach (sp??) before you make these assumptions about the jewish faith and people.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:19 pm
promised_child dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people. now your just being ridiculous do you really want to go there? are you really that stuck in your ways you can't see Jewish people as anything more than "Gods chosen people" hate to break it to you but there was a time when Jewish culture was polytheistic Wow....you are....oh boy. ok I'm going to let promised Child take this one. OHHHHH MYYYYYYY....... polythieistic? when- when abraham was still abram? abraham wasnt a jew- he was an ansestor of the jews. the jews are the children of ISREAL(the person) of the 12 tribes. the 12 children of Isreal. even in egypt- isreal held his convictions and his faith in God. or perhaps you were talking about when they went astray and worshiped ba'al, nope not polythiestic then either. i think you have just spoken from YOUR mind as opposed to the actual history of the nation of ISREAL. studdy the torrah and the tannach (sp??) before you make these assumptions about the jewish faith and people. I think that answers my question You have been spoon-fed lies Wake up! The Torah is about as trustworthy a history book as the cat in the hat And don't try to tell me who I am I have yet to even mention Abraham or the nation of Israel I know its hard but you need to think back long BEFORE the Torah Think before you speak that way you don't sound quite so closed-minded Be careful dragongirl42391, your words were a bit sharp...and I bite back
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:55 pm
lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people. now your just being ridiculous do you really want to go there? are you really that stuck in your ways you can't see Jewish people as anything more than "Gods chosen people" hate to break it to you but there was a time when Jewish culture was polytheistic Wow....you are....oh boy. ok I'm going to let promised Child take this one. OHHHHH MYYYYYYY....... polythieistic? when- when abraham was still abram? abraham wasnt a jew- he was an ansestor of the jews. the jews are the children of ISREAL(the person) of the 12 tribes. the 12 children of Isreal. even in egypt- isreal held his convictions and his faith in God. or perhaps you were talking about when they went astray and worshiped ba'al, nope not polythiestic then either. i think you have just spoken from YOUR mind as opposed to the actual history of the nation of ISREAL. studdy the torrah and the tannach (sp??) before you make these assumptions about the jewish faith and people. I think that answers my question You have been spoon-fed lies Wake up! The Torah is about as trustworthy a history book as the cat in the hat And don't try to tell me who I am I have yet to even mention Abraham or the nation of Israel I know its hard but you need to think back long BEFORE the Torah Think before you speak that way you don't sound quite so closed-minded Be careful dragongirl42391, your words were a bit sharp...and I bite back AWWwwwwww, c'mon what did I do? mrgreen meh, I'm not worried, go ahead and bite. blaugh Is promised child closed-minded because she disagrees with you? wink I'm just joshing-ya But you know what, I'm not really gonna argue with ya anymore. I might lurk, but.... You say you are a pagan jew, by which I think you mean you are an unreligious person. Me too. I just LOVE God. Because He loved so much that he sent Jesus to save from my failure to meet the commandments, and the old laws. Whether you think the Torah is flawed or unreliable, I know that the Bible is reliable, and Jesus is proof of God's ( a god's) love. (ye-ah! Christian and proud!) You seem to know, or think you know, a lot about your faith. You probably know more than me, granted. But even though you are an unreligious person, I suggest you just spend some time with God. Pray to Him. Talk to Him. ASk Him to help you know what is True, and what is not. Whatever you find, I wish you luck on your spiritual journey, and I hope you find the He loves you. But, by all means, continue with your discussion. have fun!
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:27 pm
Hmm, im not so sure. My family told me if i love, follow, and believe in god i will be saved. So if you dont belive in him, i dont think you will be saved, even if you love someone on Earth.
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:02 pm
lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people. now your just being ridiculous do you really want to go there? are you really that stuck in your ways you can't see Jewish people as anything more than "Gods chosen people" hate to break it to you but there was a time when Jewish culture was polytheistic Wow....you are....oh boy. ok I'm going to let promised Child take this one. OHHHHH MYYYYYYY....... polythieistic? when- when abraham was still abram? abraham wasnt a jew- he was an ansestor of the jews. the jews are the children of ISREAL(the person) of the 12 tribes. the 12 children of Isreal. even in egypt- isreal held his convictions and his faith in God. or perhaps you were talking about when they went astray and worshiped ba'al, nope not polythiestic then either. i think you have just spoken from YOUR mind as opposed to the actual history of the nation of ISREAL. studdy the torrah and the tannach (sp??) before you make these assumptions about the jewish faith and people. I think that answers my question You have been spoon-fed lies Wake up! The Torah is about as trustworthy a history book as the cat in the hat And don't try to tell me who I am I have yet to even mention Abraham or the nation of Israel I know its hard but you need to think back long BEFORE the Torah Think before you speak that way you don't sound quite so closed-minded Be careful dragongirl42391, your words were a bit sharp...and I bite back the fact that i disagree with you does not make me seem closed minded, it means i disagree, maybe you should think before you speak. i am done argueing this with you because you seem so close minded to views other than your own i am not religeous either, by the way. thats not what Christ was about, its not why He died. He died for our sins, because He loved us, there was no other possible thing to make Him die the death of a common criminal.
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:34 pm
promised_child lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people. now your just being ridiculous do you really want to go there? are you really that stuck in your ways you can't see Jewish people as anything more than "Gods chosen people" hate to break it to you but there was a time when Jewish culture was polytheistic Wow....you are....oh boy. ok I'm going to let promised Child take this one. OHHHHH MYYYYYYY....... polythieistic? when- when abraham was still abram? abraham wasnt a jew- he was an ansestor of the jews. the jews are the children of ISREAL(the person) of the 12 tribes. the 12 children of Isreal. even in egypt- isreal held his convictions and his faith in God. or perhaps you were talking about when they went astray and worshiped ba'al, nope not polythiestic then either. i think you have just spoken from YOUR mind as opposed to the actual history of the nation of ISREAL. studdy the torrah and the tannach (sp??) before you make these assumptions about the jewish faith and people. I think that answers my question You have been spoon-fed lies Wake up! The Torah is about as trustworthy a history book as the cat in the hat And don't try to tell me who I am I have yet to even mention Abraham or the nation of Israel I know its hard but you need to think back long BEFORE the Torah Think before you speak that way you don't sound quite so closed-minded Be careful dragongirl42391, your words were a bit sharp...and I bite back the fact that i disagree with you does not make me seem closed minded, it means i disagree, maybe you should think before you speak. i am done argueing this with you because you seem so close minded to views other than your own i am not religeous either, by the way. thats not what Christ was about, its not why He died. He died for our sins, because He loved us, there was no other possible thing to make Him die the death of a common criminal. First, I have my own beliefs...not at any time did I even hint that I wasn't in any way religious. Second, I really don't care if we disagree...that’s not the point What gets me is that you had the nerve to tell me I'm not Jewish It wasn't until you put up your wall o bibles and started to tell me who I am that I thought you were closed minded And I'm closed minded for thinking that Take two chill pills and call me in the morning when your feeling better ok
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:53 pm
lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people. now your just being ridiculous do you really want to go there? are you really that stuck in your ways you can't see Jewish people as anything more than "Gods chosen people" hate to break it to you but there was a time when Jewish culture was polytheistic Wow....you are....oh boy. ok I'm going to let promised Child take this one. OHHHHH MYYYYYYY....... polythieistic? when- when abraham was still abram? abraham wasnt a jew- he was an ansestor of the jews. the jews are the children of ISREAL(the person) of the 12 tribes. the 12 children of Isreal. even in egypt- isreal held his convictions and his faith in God. or perhaps you were talking about when they went astray and worshiped ba'al, nope not polythiestic then either. i think you have just spoken from YOUR mind as opposed to the actual history of the nation of ISREAL. studdy the torrah and the tannach (sp??) before you make these assumptions about the jewish faith and people. I think that answers my question You have been spoon-fed lies Wake up! The Torah is about as trustworthy a history book as the cat in the hat And don't try to tell me who I am I have yet to even mention Abraham or the nation of Israel I know its hard but you need to think back long BEFORE the Torah Think before you speak that way you don't sound quite so closed-minded Be careful dragongirl42391, your words were a bit sharp...and I bite back the fact that i disagree with you does not make me seem closed minded, it means i disagree, maybe you should think before you speak. i am done argueing this with you because you seem so close minded to views other than your own i am not religeous either, by the way. thats not what Christ was about, its not why He died. He died for our sins, because He loved us, there was no other possible thing to make Him die the death of a common criminal. First, I have my own beliefs...not at any time did I even hint that I wasn't in any way religious. Second, I really don't care if we disagree...that’s not the point What gets me is that you had the nerve to tell me I'm not Jewish It wasn't until you put up your wall o bibles and started to tell me who I am that I thought you were closed minded And I'm closed minded for thinking that Take two chill pills and call me in the morning when your feeling better ok i didnt say you werent jewish. i disnt say who YOU were, i dont know who you are, and fankly i dont care. i havent taken anything you have said personally, because i am resting sure in who i am, a person you have no clue about i was going off of information that you gave- you yourself said that you were jewish by blood, pagan by choice- ok fine be whatever you wanna be, i also have been argueing from the bibole this whole time- you just dint realize it until i started quoting it. before you assume a person is closeminded, get to know them truely. i dont really care what you think about me, i simply want to save you the energy it takes to put that much thought into me.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:00 am
promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people. now your just being ridiculous do you really want to go there? are you really that stuck in your ways you can't see Jewish people as anything more than "Gods chosen people" hate to break it to you but there was a time when Jewish culture was polytheistic Wow....you are....oh boy. ok I'm going to let promised Child take this one. OHHHHH MYYYYYYY....... polythieistic? when- when abraham was still abram? abraham wasnt a jew- he was an ansestor of the jews. the jews are the children of ISREAL(the person) of the 12 tribes. the 12 children of Isreal. even in egypt- isreal held his convictions and his faith in God. or perhaps you were talking about when they went astray and worshiped ba'al, nope not polythiestic then either. i think you have just spoken from YOUR mind as opposed to the actual history of the nation of ISREAL. studdy the torrah and the tannach (sp??) before you make these assumptions about the jewish faith and people. I think that answers my question You have been spoon-fed lies Wake up! The Torah is about as trustworthy a history book as the cat in the hat And don't try to tell me who I am I have yet to even mention Abraham or the nation of Israel I know its hard but you need to think back long BEFORE the Torah Think before you speak that way you don't sound quite so closed-minded Be careful dragongirl42391, your words were a bit sharp...and I bite back the fact that i disagree with you does not make me seem closed minded, it means i disagree, maybe you should think before you speak. i am done argueing this with you because you seem so close minded to views other than your own i am not religeous either, by the way. thats not what Christ was about, its not why He died. He died for our sins, because He loved us, there was no other possible thing to make Him die the death of a common criminal. First, I have my own beliefs...not at any time did I even hint that I wasn't in any way religious. Second, I really don't care if we disagree...that’s not the point What gets me is that you had the nerve to tell me I'm not Jewish It wasn't until you put up your wall o bibles and started to tell me who I am that I thought you were closed minded And I'm closed minded for thinking that Take two chill pills and call me in the morning when your feeling better ok i didnt say you werent jewish. i disnt say who YOU were, i dont know who you are, and fankly i dont care. i havent taken anything you have said personally, because i am resting sure in who i am, a person you have no clue about i was going off of information that you gave- you yourself said that you were jewish by blood, pagan by choice- ok fine be whatever you wanna be, i also have been argueing from the bibole this whole time- you just dint realize it until i started quoting it. before you assume a person is closeminded, get to know them truely. i dont really care what you think about me, i simply want to save you the energy it takes to put that much thought into me. Didn't we have a long chat about your childhood? I'm sorry it's taken so long got respond but I need to do some more homework on the subjects before we continue Feels like you did a total 180 on me and then brick walled me what the hell happened maybe you caught me during one of my "I hate the world type moods" idk shall we try again then my name is Chris btw
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:03 pm
lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people. now your just being ridiculous do you really want to go there? are you really that stuck in your ways you can't see Jewish people as anything more than "Gods chosen people" hate to break it to you but there was a time when Jewish culture was polytheistic Wow....you are....oh boy. ok I'm going to let promised Child take this one. OHHHHH MYYYYYYY....... polythieistic? when- when abraham was still abram? abraham wasnt a jew- he was an ansestor of the jews. the jews are the children of ISREAL(the person) of the 12 tribes. the 12 children of Isreal. even in egypt- isreal held his convictions and his faith in God. or perhaps you were talking about when they went astray and worshiped ba'al, nope not polythiestic then either. i think you have just spoken from YOUR mind as opposed to the actual history of the nation of ISREAL. studdy the torrah and the tannach (sp??) before you make these assumptions about the jewish faith and people. I think that answers my question You have been spoon-fed lies Wake up! The Torah is about as trustworthy a history book as the cat in the hat And don't try to tell me who I am I have yet to even mention Abraham or the nation of Israel I know its hard but you need to think back long BEFORE the Torah Think before you speak that way you don't sound quite so closed-minded Be careful dragongirl42391, your words were a bit sharp...and I bite back the fact that i disagree with you does not make me seem closed minded, it means i disagree, maybe you should think before you speak. i am done argueing this with you because you seem so close minded to views other than your own i am not religeous either, by the way. thats not what Christ was about, its not why He died. He died for our sins, because He loved us, there was no other possible thing to make Him die the death of a common criminal. First, I have my own beliefs...not at any time did I even hint that I wasn't in any way religious. Second, I really don't care if we disagree...that’s not the point What gets me is that you had the nerve to tell me I'm not Jewish It wasn't until you put up your wall o bibles and started to tell me who I am that I thought you were closed minded And I'm closed minded for thinking that Take two chill pills and call me in the morning when your feeling better ok i didnt say you werent jewish. i disnt say who YOU were, i dont know who you are, and fankly i dont care. i havent taken anything you have said personally, because i am resting sure in who i am, a person you have no clue about i was going off of information that you gave- you yourself said that you were jewish by blood, pagan by choice- ok fine be whatever you wanna be, i also have been argueing from the bibole this whole time- you just dint realize it until i started quoting it. before you assume a person is closeminded, get to know them truely. i dont really care what you think about me, i simply want to save you the energy it takes to put that much thought into me. Didn't we have a long chat about your childhood? I'm sorry it's taken so long got respond but I need to do some more homework on the subjects before we continue Feels like you did a total 180 on me and then brick walled me what the hell happened maybe you caught me during one of my "I hate the world type moods" idk shall we try again then my name is Chris btw ok chris, dont get offended by what i say. i didnt brick wall you, i simply dont react well to being called things im not. yea we chatted about my child hood, but i wasnt at all finished, and you still dont know me, not really, so i want to save you the energy of making incorrect assumptions about me, see no walls other than the ones that were allready up, cuz i dont know you and i dont release certain things unless i personally know you. my name is amanda
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:54 am
promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child First, I have my own beliefs...not at any time did I even hint that I wasn't in any way religious. Second, I really don't care if we disagree...that’s not the point What gets me is that you had the nerve to tell me I'm not Jewish It wasn't until you put up your wall o bibles and started to tell me who I am that I thought you were closed minded And I'm closed minded for thinking that Take two chill pills and call me in the morning when your feeling better ok i didnt say you werent jewish. i disnt say who YOU were, i dont know who you are, and fankly i dont care. i havent taken anything you have said personally, because i am resting sure in who i am, a person you have no clue about i was going off of information that you gave- you yourself said that you were jewish by blood, pagan by choice- ok fine be whatever you wanna be, i also have been argueing from the bibole this whole time- you just dint realize it until i started quoting it. before you assume a person is closeminded, get to know them truely. i dont really care what you think about me, i simply want to save you the energy it takes to put that much thought into me. Didn't we have a long chat about your childhood? I'm sorry it's taken so long got respond but I need to do some more homework on the subjects before we continue Feels like you did a total 180 on me and then brick walled me what the hell happened maybe you caught me during one of my "I hate the world type moods" idk shall we try again then my name is Chris btw ok chris, dont get offended by what i say. i didnt brick wall you, i simply dont react well to being called things im not. yea we chatted about my child hood, but i wasnt at all finished, and you still dont know me, not really, so i want to save you the energy of making incorrect assumptions about me, see no walls other than the ones that were allready up, cuz i dont know you and i dont release certain things unless i personally know you. my name is amanda Ah ha Decent conversation is indeed possible Amanda, it seems like you and I both share the same frustration Nether one of us reacts well to the things that push our buttons (perhaps not all but at least a few yes?)
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