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 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:57 pm
Mmkay! So we have members! YESS!! <3 Okay T-chan, you can be mascot. X3;
Tehee~!
And uhm... okay to the blood thing... sweatdrop can we paint yaoi on our club house as well?
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:55 am
Anything you want Miss President! =D
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:07 pm
YAY! *head expands*
Mwuahaha, I am so special!!! =B YAOI for the ISSUES club! X3
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:40 pm
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:48 am
8D YESSS!! Best issues club FREAKING EVA!!
>:3 Yush, indeedity! Blood and yaoi and yaoi with blood and yaoi with YUUGIOU!! 8D YAAAAAYYYY!!!
Kekekekeke... If I can convince myself to finish it, I'll have to draw our club house now. 8D 'Cause it's spazztastic, and 'cause I can actually, from time to time, not hate what I draw now. Which opens up so much more room for practice! Like club house drawing, yaaaayyy! 8D
*grabs air pump, stuffs the cord into Akila's ear and starts pumping* >D Bigger, bigger, bigger!! xDDD;;; >>;; Errr, sorry... :3 emotion_sweatdrop Our President must have an Atemu-sized ego. 8D 'Cause our president doesn't like Kaiba.
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:28 pm
Akila_Ishtar @Kitsune: Hehehe, that sounds a tad kinky, dear. >=P And sure, you can be treasurer. =3 Morgey, you in?
Yes?
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:18 pm
Twelve Yb TnuoC 8D YESSS!! Best issues club FREAKING EVA!! >:3 Yush, indeedity! Blood and yaoi and yaoi with blood and yaoi with YUUGIOU!! 8D YAAAAAYYYY!!! Kekekekeke... If I can convince myself to finish it, I'll have to draw our club house now. 8D 'Cause it's spazztastic, and 'cause I can actually, from time to time, not hate what I draw now. Which opens up so much more room for practice! Like club house drawing, yaaaayyy! 8D *grabs air pump, stuffs the cord into Akila's ear and starts pumping* >D Bigger, bigger, bigger!! xDDD;;; >>;; Errr, sorry... :3 emotion_sweatdrop Our President must have an Atemu-sized ego. 8D 'Cause our president doesn't like Kaiba. I dun like Atemu either. >>;; Erm.. the pharaoh I mean... *as I spit* I geuss I take on my favorite characters enemies at times.. not purposefully, just... because those guys bug me. I dunno. Granted, Pharaoh doesn't bother me as much as Kaiba. ^^; @ Morgey: Yay!!! Now the Issues Club is like... so much moar kewl!!!! =B
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:59 pm
8D Oh, you're just no fun. Atemu (leh Pharaoh no Baka =B As 'Kura has me thinking of him) can be so much fun to play sometimes, and he's absolutely the most interesting to mess with, especially in the social reputation department. xD;;; Loved it when he just kept dressing the way Yuugi'd been dressing him, for the consistency and the lack of will to learn modern style (ahh, this was in an rp with Sqee), and he actually had a minimum wage job. 8D;; So he'd go into his job as a waiter each day and his boss would ask him to stop coming in dressed like he has a bondage fetish and he just said "I'll try," 'cause he wasn't sure what the guy meant, and Yuugi wouldn't tell him (and he wouldn't look it up online, one because the net ish creepy, and two because in most of my role plays with Sqee, Atemu makes all electronics, especially complex ones, explode). And he'd change into his uniform and do his job and change back and come in dressed pretty much the same way the next day.
x3 Keh.. that was a fun one.. Sqee was playing a girl who did riddles, and had ended up forced into making a deal with a demon, she had to pick a soul, and beat them in a game of a series of riddles, and if she won, then the soul she beat would take her place in eternal damnation. :3 Most of her victories in the beginning were cultural fallacies (such as something simple, like American, "What starts with 'F' and ends in 'uck'? 'Firetruck'!" kinda things. Or, how do you fit four elephants into a car? Two in the front and two in the back. x3;; Weirdness like that, and Atem' couldn't quite understand it, nor did he know it was a game, nor did he know there was anything at stake. :3 Err, but I'm prolly boring everyone now.. x3;; Sorry.
8D And I could've made a reference something to the sort of an ego like Malik or Yami no Malik at some point, even Bakura, though I'm sure you dun' like him as much, or Otogi, or some such... Er, but.. xD;; I'm almost certain that would be a very dangerous ego to have, at any point. Hmmm.. There are several fallacies in Jou's ego, but his pride combined with makes a fairly good balance.. Humm...
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:24 am
Ugh, Atemu fails.
At first I felt odd hating the main character of a show that I loved, but I soon learned I wasn't alone, so it's all good. =D
I'd like to rant some more, but I gotta to go Tescos before it closes and not after.
Akila: Was that sarcasm? Do you not actually me to be in it? crying
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:51 pm
xD;; To be honest, I have trouble disliking characters. Now, I have no trouble just not liking them, but actually disliking 'em takes some more work. :3 But, I have the habit of only noticing things I like, or else them being the only things that stick with me. x3;; Keh... However, I dun' think I'll go into any of that here. :3 I'd hate to upset someone, going off on why I do like people someone doesn't like, or, whatever it is I'd do.
D: What are you talking about, Morgey! Of course it's moar kewl with j00! Aki-Chan would never be sarcastic lyk that, d00d!
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:55 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:41 am
Haha, are like, the majority of us anti the Pharaoh? That's sorta funny! X3
But yea, it's not so hard for me to dislike characters, probably because it's not so hard for me to dislike people. I know that's so mean, but it's the truth....
He's so like... cocky or something... overconfidence bugs me after awhile... I dunno what it is...
@Morgey: WAH! Of course that wasn't sarcasm! I'm not always sarcastic... D:,
@Kitsune: This is... weird because you never get my sarcasm, and then when I'm not being sarcastic somebody else thinks I am. I believe I totally FAIL.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:12 am
With me, it isn't even so much that he's so cocky, though he definitely bloody is. It's that everyone else seems to agree that he's always right, which I assume is just because he's the main character, and the fact that the story even swaps itself around at times to make that the case. It is quite sickening. And if he were real, he'd get beaten up a lot more often.
I mean, Yuugi is right a lot too, but more often than not, I can actually agree with him because his thought processes go beyond "You disagree with me, so you must be wrong".
One thing I love about YuuGiOh is that you can see where the primary antagonists are coming from. Even the bad have good in them. But the reverse doesn''t seem true for the Pharaoh. I mean, he does start off being more "Rawr, challenge me and you die", which could have made for a fascinating main character had it been taken advantage of to its full potential, but I don't think it was. He becomes too "sympathetic" too early on. I understand that he and Yuugi were meant to be learning from each other, but it just seems like he found it too easy.
I can't dislike Takahashi, so I have to dislike Mr Pharaoh instead. =]
Haha, that rant had to come sooner or later.
Eh, I've always rooted for villains though so maybe he just never had a chance with me. When I was a little girl, I always preferred the Wicked Witch to Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz. Now "Wicked" has come out, and I don't like it. I just can't abide characters that do bad deeds, and have silly excuses made for them, or get it glossed over, or who are in the right because the writer said so. It smacks of insulting the intelligence of the audience. Characters that do worse deeds, and freely admit to them are awesome in my book. xP
Akila: No, it happens to me too. You don't fail. I just wanted to be sure. emo
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:37 pm
@Akila: Sarcasm is difficult over the internet. XD Half the time I say something online people always ask me if I'm being sarcastic or not. <3
@Morgey: Yes, you took the words right out of my mouth! That rant about Atem probably really is the best explanation for his lack of popularity among the more... erm... intelligent YUU*GI*OU fans. XD;; I mean... most of his fans seem to be either little kids who always go with the hero or fangirls who thinks he's hot... *sigh*
But... but you don't like Wicked? D: That's one of my all-time favorite books. I mean, I guess I can see where you're coming from, that you don't like bad deeds to be glossed over, but then again, isn't it human nature to react to your life? Meaning, generally people who do bad things had bad childhoods, while people who do good things usually had pretty decent childhoods. I mean, of course it wouldn't be the case for every villain, but I think it makes sense that a lot of them gave up on the good in life because of the crap that's happened to them. Especially when their back stories are well-thought out. I mean, part of what makes villains villains is that they are unaccepting of how things are, and so feel that they need to make changes/take revenge/whatever, regardless of their motivation, morals, or sanity. Of course there are villains who love being evil just because, but I think there are also villains who are more human than that. It's like... comparing Malik to Yami no Malik... Malik wasn't truly evil on the inside; he was just taking out his past on others and trying to get revenge for his dead father. Yami no Malik on the other hand was born of evil and darkness, and that's all he cares about. He has no motivation except for pleasure, yet I think both characters are equally interesting as villains.[/rant]
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:44 pm
Oh, I meant Wicked the musical. Sorry. Didn't even think to make a distinction. My bad. sweatdrop
I haven't read the book. I'm reserving judgment on it until I do read it. From what I've heard, it does do a FAR better job, keeping more with the original story. I love love love the idea behind it, so I really ought to get my hands on it. o.o
My reason for not liking the musical is that it isn't true enough to the original thing for my liking. In the Wizard of Oz, the inhabitants of Oz are clearly terrified of her, and yet in the musical, the fact that they'd react like that just doesn't ring true.
This person puts it far better than I ever could.
I'm actually just repeating myself really but eh. I don't like cheating the audience out of realism to make the main character seem better. I don't like protagonists who aren't portrayed as being capable of any wrongdoing. I don't want to sympathise with them just because I should.
I'm no more a fan of villains who love being evil because they do than good characters who are good because they are. I agree with you totally. A character's background can, and probably should, be a huge deciding factor in which path they eventually take. And it's fascinating to watch someone who really isn't a bad person end up becoming one. Far more than it is to watch people whose motivations are "just because".
I think that there are many writers who could benefit from being told that it isn't necessarily being right that creates audience sympathy. Man vs Self helps.
I think the fact that the main antagonists in YuuGiOh and a bunch of the other characters too are so well-rounded makes Atemu's character more irritating actually. I like being able to see someone make mistakes, do the wrong thing, gratify themselves above others and know in their heart of hearts that they're doing the right thing, even if nobody else knows it. It's human nature and I can empathise with it. So why wasn't he made easier to empathise with too? *Foams at the mouth*
Malik does some pretty nasty things, but he's made to face up to it. In the anime, during Yami Malik vs Yami Yuugi, when Malik had those flashbacks of the things he'd done wrong, it almost had me in tears. I could sympathise because he was realising that he was at fault, too late, not because he was omgsoperfect and it's omgsounfair.
A character can do wrong and still be liked. Yami Malik is interesting too. He's physically incapable of sympathising with anyone except himself. The world is his playground and screwing peoples' lives up is the toy. The fact that he is essentially an angry little boy who can never grow up makes him a good character. He likes hurting people and that's why he does it. Does his incapability to empathise with others make him a victim? Hell no. He's absolutely horrible. And yet he's still liked by many fans.
Basically, I like a character who does do wrong but has reasons. I like a storyteller who admits that their character isn't the shizz, and doesn't try to cover that up.
My earlier rant is a condensed version of one I wrote ages ago. I saved it for copypasting, but I think it's kinder to ... not do that. =P
Thanks though. <3
And woah. Sorry. I tend to ramble. >_>
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