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Twindream
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:19 pm


Heh, personally I think DoC purposely wanted to make her likable. xd Without DoC, everyone would still hate Lucrecia. Though, she did seem pitiful when the party visited her in the cavern. I don't like Lucrecia. xd And it's annoying how she'd keep saying "I'm so sorry!" Pitiful for sure, and everyone makes mistakes, but hers just take the cake if you don't mind me saying. Not only did she hurt Vincent, but she hurt herself AND marked the future of Sephiroth's insanity. Huh....she might just be one of the factors to blame for the near destruction of the Planet.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:41 pm


I'm horrible at shooters. I've got the game, but I'm so afraid that I'll be horrible at it that I've yet to play it. xd

Hey, it takes two to tango. Hojo couldn't have produced Sephiroth without her. xd

Sara Hysaro

Precious Seeker


RanmaxHikaru

Distinct Member

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:29 pm


~Flower girl Aeris~
RanmaxHikaru
I really just hate Lucrecia. Her and Aeris are like the same kind of stupid. I could go onto it but I'd rather not.


*Ehem* Well i supose that is YOUR opinon, but I would advise you to be a bit more tactful when discussing this. Honestly I dont see WHAT made Aerith stupid. Not every Tifa fan hates Aerith and you could offend some people. Like me. So if you dont mind apologising? Kay thanks.

But I must agree with you. I also hate Cloud X Aerith with a passion.


LunarSchemer
Heh. I actually already knew that RxH hated Lucrecia because I read she posted in the FFVII Guild. xD I don't mind that, I mean it's your opinion.
But yes, FlowerGirl is right, if you DO make such a statement, please elaborate. (At least if you add in "She's the same kind of stupid")

I think Lucrecia and Aeris are two very different people, so I don't really see what you mean. ^^; I suppose they were equally naive at some points.

But it's true, let's not try and bash characters. If you dislike them, go ahead and state so. Just give a reason. Don't leave at it "Because they're stupid".

:]


But I’ve already given plenty of factual and credible reason for hating both Lucrecia and Aeris in the FF7 forums… Well, I won’t elaborate for Aeris since Bereave Of Steve Burnside wrote everything I would ever have to say about her and more. As for Lucrecia-She’s and idiot for choosing an ugly, old, conniving, sick, mad scientist, that could give a crap about her over a young, handsome, loving, guy like Vincent. Not to mention that she was stupid for letting Hojo experiment on HER child! What kind of parenting is that!? If someone did that in this day and age, people would think she’s a monster and would have locked up until the next century. And to top everything off, she played with Vincent’s emotions and made his life a living hell.

So yeah, I hate Lucrecia and I have every right too.

Twindream
Heh, personally I think DoC purposely wanted to make her likable. xd Without DoC, everyone would still hate Lucrecia.



They tryed but failed. By going in depth about her life it just made me hate her even more

Twindream
Not only did she hurt Vincent, but she hurt herself AND marked the future of Sephiroth's insanity. Huh....she might just be one of the factors to blame for the near destruction of the Planet.


Oooooo good one! I never thought of it like that but I agree with you.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:45 pm


Twindream
Heh, personally I think DoC purposely wanted to make her likable. xd Without DoC, everyone would still hate Lucrecia. Though, she did seem pitiful when the party visited her in the cavern. I don't like Lucrecia. xd And it's annoying how she'd keep saying "I'm so sorry!" Pitiful for sure, and everyone makes mistakes, but hers just take the cake if you don't mind me saying. Not only did she hurt Vincent, but she hurt herself AND marked the future of Sephiroth's insanity. Huh....she might just be one of the factors to blame for the near destruction of the Planet.


I completely agree XD While I don't despise her, like I do Aeris, I don't think that she ever deserved Vincent. He loved unconditionally, she didn't seem to care, and look where it got him... She did say all those sorries, but that can only go so far. The deed is still done, and she has to live with it... part of me doesn't think that she has the right to ask for forgivness. She could at least accept that she did it, useless sorries aren't helping, it's too late....

Anyways... Go Reno and Rod XD

Bereave Of Steve Burnside


tetrasmaster
Captain

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:15 pm


Bereave Of Steve Burnside
Twindream
Heh, personally I think DoC purposely wanted to make her likable. xd Without DoC, everyone would still hate Lucrecia. Though, she did seem pitiful when the party visited her in the cavern. I don't like Lucrecia. xd And it's annoying how she'd keep saying "I'm so sorry!" Pitiful for sure, and everyone makes mistakes, but hers just take the cake if you don't mind me saying. Not only did she hurt Vincent, but she hurt herself AND marked the future of Sephiroth's insanity. Huh....she might just be one of the factors to blame for the near destruction of the Planet.


I completely agree XD While I don't despise her, like I do Aeris, I don't think that she ever deserved Vincent. He loved unconditionally, she didn't seem to care, and look where it got him... She did say all those sorries, but that can only go so far. The deed is still done, and she has to live with it... part of me doesn't think that she has the right to ask for forgivness. She could at least accept that she did it, useless sorries aren't helping, it's too late....

Anyways... Go Reno and Rod XD


*rolls on the floor... laughing.*
Lucrecia doesn't deserve Vincent, eh? -dies-
Well, with how I feel about Vincent, I think he deserves NOTHING. ;D
-cough-
I do like LucreciaXVincent. Because I think Lucrecia made her mistakes when she was going through a really tough time. Combined with how naive she was, it's really not her fault. She was surrounding by people feeding her lies. And Vincent--- well, is it safe for me to say he didn't do much, or is that pushing it? x'D Lucrecia has every right to ask for forgiveness-- ANYBODY has that right. She has accepted what she's done, and the apologies actually HELP Vincent, believe it or not. It's obvious she cares for him, perhaps not LOVE, but one that is developing.
I feel bad for the poor damn girl. If you were in that situation and you had her naiveity and innocence, you'd be convinced/tricked into making some of the same mistakes she did.
Lucrecia is beautiful, tragic and got enough punishment--- forever guilty and alone.

Cut the poor girl some feckin slack. DX
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:26 pm


LunarSchemer
Bereave Of Steve Burnside
Twindream
Heh, personally I think DoC purposely wanted to make her likable. xd Without DoC, everyone would still hate Lucrecia. Though, she did seem pitiful when the party visited her in the cavern. I don't like Lucrecia. xd And it's annoying how she'd keep saying "I'm so sorry!" Pitiful for sure, and everyone makes mistakes, but hers just take the cake if you don't mind me saying. Not only did she hurt Vincent, but she hurt herself AND marked the future of Sephiroth's insanity. Huh....she might just be one of the factors to blame for the near destruction of the Planet.


I completely agree XD While I don't despise her, like I do Aeris, I don't think that she ever deserved Vincent. He loved unconditionally, she didn't seem to care, and look where it got him... She did say all those sorries, but that can only go so far. The deed is still done, and she has to live with it... part of me doesn't think that she has the right to ask for forgivness. She could at least accept that she did it, useless sorries aren't helping, it's too late....

Anyways... Go Reno and Rod XD


*rolls on the floor... laughing.*
Lucrecia doesn't deserve Vincent, eh? -dies-
Well, with how I feel about Vincent, I think he deserves NOTHING. ;D
-cough-
I do like LucreciaXVincent. Because I think Lucrecia made her mistakes when she was going through a really tough time. Combined with how naive she was, it's really not her fault. She was surrounding by people feeding her lies. And Vincent--- well, is it safe for me to say he didn't do much, or is that pushing it? x'D Lucrecia has every right to ask for forgiveness-- ANYBODY has that right. She has accepted what she's done, and the apologies actually HELP Vincent, believe it or not. It's obvious she cares for him, perhaps not LOVE, but one that is developing.
I feel bad for the poor damn girl. If you were in that situation and you had her naiveity and innocence, you'd be convinced/tricked into making some of the same mistakes she did.
Lucrecia is beautiful, tragic and got enough punishment--- forever guilty and alone.

Cut the poor girl some feckin slack. DX



In all fairness you did say that your hatred may come from the fact that he gets a little to much air time... as his own game.... XD I don't think that naiveity is an excuse, all that does is leave you alone. If I was in that situation, I could ask for forgiveness, hell I could even be granted it, but it wouldn't matter, I wouldn't accept it. In the type of world she was living in, innocence is far from what I can let her half, it makes no sense to me, there is that line between overly trusting people and just being stupid- not naive... I could never bring myself to think it as tragic, again, I felt almost nothing for her... no pity, no love, she barely exists in my mind... so I suppose that yeah, for me she is forever guilty and alone, who knows, maybe I prefer leaving it at that. But biases come into effect, with you Vincent, and with me... if I ever put a whole lot of thought on her, Lucrecia. If anything, because of how I have not bothered about her terribly, my opinion can be negated XD But it doesn't bother me much >.o I am confusing myself XD

Bereave Of Steve Burnside


Truthiness3x4
Vice Captain
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:54 am


I don't think Lucrecia just sat idly by as Hojo tested on Sephiroth; they did kind of take him away from her before she could even hold him. Not only that but she already felt guilty for what happened to Vincent's father so that's why she got into the relationship with Hojo in the first place...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:00 pm


I don't doubt it. Lucrecia didn't strike me as a mean or cruel individual. Misguided? Yes. But not mean or cruel.

Sara Hysaro

Precious Seeker


tetrasmaster
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:30 pm


Bereave Of Steve Burnside
LunarSchemer
Bereave Of Steve Burnside
Twindream
Heh, personally I think DoC purposely wanted to make her likable. xd Without DoC, everyone would still hate Lucrecia. Though, she did seem pitiful when the party visited her in the cavern. I don't like Lucrecia. xd And it's annoying how she'd keep saying "I'm so sorry!" Pitiful for sure, and everyone makes mistakes, but hers just take the cake if you don't mind me saying. Not only did she hurt Vincent, but she hurt herself AND marked the future of Sephiroth's insanity. Huh....she might just be one of the factors to blame for the near destruction of the Planet.


I completely agree XD While I don't despise her, like I do Aeris, I don't think that she ever deserved Vincent. He loved unconditionally, she didn't seem to care, and look where it got him... She did say all those sorries, but that can only go so far. The deed is still done, and she has to live with it... part of me doesn't think that she has the right to ask for forgivness. She could at least accept that she did it, useless sorries aren't helping, it's too late....

Anyways... Go Reno and Rod XD


*rolls on the floor... laughing.*
Lucrecia doesn't deserve Vincent, eh? -dies-
Well, with how I feel about Vincent, I think he deserves NOTHING. ;D
-cough-
I do like LucreciaXVincent. Because I think Lucrecia made her mistakes when she was going through a really tough time. Combined with how naive she was, it's really not her fault. She was surrounding by people feeding her lies. And Vincent--- well, is it safe for me to say he didn't do much, or is that pushing it? x'D Lucrecia has every right to ask for forgiveness-- ANYBODY has that right. She has accepted what she's done, and the apologies actually HELP Vincent, believe it or not. It's obvious she cares for him, perhaps not LOVE, but one that is developing.
I feel bad for the poor damn girl. If you were in that situation and you had her naiveity and innocence, you'd be convinced/tricked into making some of the same mistakes she did.
Lucrecia is beautiful, tragic and got enough punishment--- forever guilty and alone.

Cut the poor girl some feckin slack. DX



In all fairness you did say that your hatred may come from the fact that he gets a little to much air time... as his own game.... XD I don't think that naiveity is an excuse, all that does is leave you alone. If I was in that situation, I could ask for forgiveness, hell I could even be granted it, but it wouldn't matter, I wouldn't accept it. In the type of world she was living in, innocence is far from what I can let her half, it makes no sense to me, there is that line between overly trusting people and just being stupid- not naive... I could never bring myself to think it as tragic, again, I felt almost nothing for her... no pity, no love, she barely exists in my mind... so I suppose that yeah, for me she is forever guilty and alone, who knows, maybe I prefer leaving it at that. But biases come into effect, with you Vincent, and with me... if I ever put a whole lot of thought on her, Lucrecia. If anything, because of how I have not bothered about her terribly, my opinion can be negated XD But it doesn't bother me much >.o I am confusing myself XD


I admit, I am biased against Vincent. I think he has no personality, and didn't deserve his own game. (Which I was only interested in because Lucrecia would be in it) He hasn't really done anything BAD at all, heh heh. I just think he's a boring character that gets a game dedicated to him because he looks like a Devil May Cry rip-off character. Seriously, think of a Vincent quote. The one I saw most in the game was "...". XD

Lucrecia wasn't stupid. She was treated poorly, she was stressed, overwhelmed--- how can you say what you would do?! You weren't surrounded by people as sick and twisted as Hojo and you don't have her YES innocent, mindset. She had a weak heart, and hell Hojo knew it. He treated her like total shiot, and like KDD said--- Hojo took Lucrecia's child away before she could even hold him, change her mind perhaps. If you don't think that's tragic, somethings seriously wrong... XDD
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:58 pm


I remember Vincent yelling at Hojo for what he did to Lucrecia. That's about it when it comes to lines though. And I did keep Vincent in my party for the whole game for one slot.

Sara Hysaro

Precious Seeker


Twindream
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:16 pm


Yeah...and the guy shot him....POOR VINCENT! crying *Vincent fangirl* And Vincent tried to stop Lucrecia too...sort of....he backed down quite early after her outburst telling him to mind his own business. crying Ugh...I hated her for that. Vincent has gone through a lot of pain already.

@Lunar: I love all of Vincent's quotes! They're really poetic if you actually pay attention to them. It's like...years of wisdom embedded into a few words. biggrin I hardly see anyone not like Vincent really. Though, they did ruin his personality in DoC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:12 am


What about Lucrecia saying that she wanted to prevent Vincent's flesh from decaying. .. saving his life basically, and that's why he has the chaos genes? Her saying it's all her fault... her apologizing? It's not right to hate some-one for that. ><; I think, anyway. It's selfless on Vincents part to NOT hate her especially.
I think one of the saddest scenes, is when Vincent is walking from the cave with Lucrecia in it, and a tear falls down her cheek. DXX -sniffle-
Tragic loves stories are so heart-wrenching... why do I like them? XD

Hmm... The only Vincent quote I like is: "I don't care about what you're doing, or the way you're going about doing it."
Something like that...

It was hard for me to keep Vincent in my party. I didn't like him, lol. HeBOTHERED me. >_>;
I guess maybe if you keep him in your party the whole time, he uh... gets a bit more "screen time" and then maybe I guess, he might seem like he would deserve a whole game based after him. *coughNOTcough*

I actually like Vincent when he's his normal, human self. Really shy and timid--- kinda like Cloud was when he was young. xD It was actually sad for me though, when Vincent got shot. That was pretty terrible. ;_;

And when you said you were mad at Lucrecia for yelling at him--- it's not just ALL about Vincent's feelings you know. D: Lucrecia has feelings too. She wanted to hide the things about his father from him. And, I do truly believe she wanted to prevent more sorrow from accompanying him--- but she kept failing. I think that's kinda sad. And you know, she wasn't yelling at him like she wanted to. You could hear her voice breaking, as if she were about to cry. :/

"I finally realized my true feelings... even though you may never understand them. Not that I mind though... However--"

"This isn't the way it was supposed to be. I've made too many mistakes... And I hurt you so much. Ugh.. why did I do what I did?! I'm so sorry... "

"Although the moments we shared are short, they are meant to be cherished."

"But I am so happy that... you survived."

Lucrecia: "It's all my fault... I never meant for your father to die... but I... I'm so sorry!"
And then, Vincent says: "But I never blamed her. All I wanted... was to see her smiling face... But after that day, the light left her heart."

I find it ODD that when Hojo says, "So you've come to your sense and chosen me?"
Lucrecia says "Yes, doctor."
And she sounds nearly insane, her smile is even crazy. O_O; It looks like this definitely isn't what she wants. Especially after Vincent says the light left her heart.

"No... this is no experiment!"
Lucrecia says this and starts crying on the floor of her lab, after Hojo claims that she is experimenting on Vincent to prove her thesis, rather than preserve his body.

KTHNX, whoever says Lucrecia doesn't care about Vincent. -roll-
And that "Sorry" isn't good enough.
And that Lucrecia INTENTIONALLY tried to hurt everyone.

And if you think Lucrecia doesn't care about her children, her shaking Hojo screaming and crying "Give him back! Give my son back!!!"
Doesn't mean anything? :/

Know I find really strange? Lucrecia says:
"How're you supposed to be my bodyguard, if you're out sleeping out here?"
Anyone sense a common theme?!! XDDD

I'm resting my case here folks. If you still hate her after all of this crap I just posted, SEEK MENTAL HELP! :giggle: Not really. But I still don't get you. xD

Needless to say, Yuffie b***h-slapping Shelke is the best part of DOC.


tetrasmaster
Captain


Sara Hysaro

Precious Seeker

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:20 pm


This is why I should get over my discomfort and play DoC. xd
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:53 pm


LunarSchemer
What about Lucrecia saying that she wanted to prevent Vincent's flesh from decaying. .. saving his life basically, and that's why he has the chaos genes? Her saying it's all her fault... her apologizing? It's not right to hate some-one for that. ><; I think, anyway. It's selfless on Vincents part to NOT hate her especially.
I think one of the saddest scenes, is when Vincent is walking from the cave with Lucrecia in it, and a tear falls down her cheek. DXX -sniffle-
Tragic loves stories are so heart-wrenching... why do I like them? XD

Hmm... The only Vincent quote I like is: "I don't care about what you're doing, or the way you're going about doing it."
Something like that...

It was hard for me to keep Vincent in my party. I didn't like him, lol. HeBOTHERED me. >_>;
I guess maybe if you keep him in your party the whole time, he uh... gets a bit more "screen time" and then maybe I guess, he might seem like he would deserve a whole game based after him. *coughNOTcough*

I actually like Vincent when he's his normal, human self. Really shy and timid--- kinda like Cloud was when he was young. xD It was actually sad for me though, when Vincent got shot. That was pretty terrible. ;_;

And when you said you were mad at Lucrecia for yelling at him--- it's not just ALL about Vincent's feelings you know. D: Lucrecia has feelings too. She wanted to hide the things about his father from him. And, I do truly believe she wanted to prevent more sorrow from accompanying him--- but she kept failing. I think that's kinda sad. And you know, she wasn't yelling at him like she wanted to. You could hear her voice breaking, as if she were about to cry. :/

"I finally realized my true feelings... even though you may never understand them. Not that I mind though... However--"

"This isn't the way it was supposed to be. I've made too many mistakes... And I hurt you so much. Ugh.. why did I do what I did?! I'm so sorry... "

"Although the moments we shared are short, they are meant to be cherished."

"But I am so happy that... you survived."

Lucrecia: "It's all my fault... I never meant for your father to die... but I... I'm so sorry!"
And then, Vincent says: "But I never blamed her. All I wanted... was to see her smiling face... But after that day, the light left her heart."

I find it ODD that when Hojo says, "So you've come to your sense and chosen me?"
Lucrecia says "Yes, doctor."
And she sounds nearly insane, her smile is even crazy. O_O; It looks like this definitely isn't what she wants. Especially after Vincent says the light left her heart.

"No... this is no experiment!"
Lucrecia says this and starts crying on the floor of her lab, after Hojo claims that she is experimenting on Vincent to prove her thesis, rather than preserve his body.

KTHNX, whoever says Lucrecia doesn't care about Vincent. -roll-
And that "Sorry" isn't good enough.
And that Lucrecia INTENTIONALLY tried to hurt everyone.

And if you think Lucrecia doesn't care about her children, her shaking Hojo screaming and crying "Give him back! Give my son back!!!"
Doesn't mean anything? :/

Know I find really strange? Lucrecia says:
"How're you supposed to be my bodyguard, if you're out sleeping out here?"
Anyone sense a common theme?!! XDDD

I'm resting my case here folks. If you still hate her after all of this crap I just posted, SEEK MENTAL HELP! :giggle: Not really. But I still don't get you. xD

Needless to say, Yuffie b***h-slapping Shelke is the best part of DOC.



Well...yeah, I suppose I'm a bit critical towards Lucrecia and of course, I'm not entirely out of sympathy for her, still, I just can't LIKE her or respect her. DoC had its fun creating her character, making her seem sorry for her actions...which is great and all....but I can't help but feel that it was just to shove in our faces. Usually...once I dislike a character, I continue to dislike them. (Like Aeris. I respect her, but I don't necessarily like her) Since we don't see much of Lucrecia in FFVII, we're forced to accept this character of hers.....that she's actually a compassionate woman who's afraid of hurting others but ends up hurting everyone unintentionally. In FFVII we are given the impression that she was cruel, leaving Vincent for Hojo and then giving up her boy.....then we find her in the ice cave where she expresses her regrets and stuff...but she's aloof about it rather than crying her heart out and saying "Sorry" all the time. It's hard for me to like her really.

Twindream
Crew


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:48 pm


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