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 Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:51 pm
really the only aethiests I know are complete brain dead idiots who are to cowardly to even act out in class
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:58 pm
Are they too cowardly, or are they just not interested in annoying the teacher and/or the rest of the class? I've known some atheists who were like that too. It doesn't mean they have no morals, in fact, it might show that they are more moral than the people who disrupt the class for their own brief pleasure.
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Twizted Humanitarian Crew
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:03 pm
no I mean they don't participate in teacher sponsored class debates
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:07 pm
Then I'd agree, those are some wimpy atheists. Maybe they aren't atheists, they're just completely apathetic.
I do know many atheists who would gladly proclaim their views in a classroom debate. They certainly have morals that they're willing to defend.
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:14 pm
or maybe they just seek to destroy all that is good in life. I mean if you don't believe in some form of god then the afterlife is pretty depressing
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:54 pm
Jungle Soldier or maybe they just seek to destroy all that is good in life. Like pointless religious rituals? Brutal theocracy? Closed-mindedness? Forced obedience rather than free thought? Yeah. That's some fun stuff those atheists are trying to destroy. Quote: I mean if you don't believe in some form of god then the afterlife is pretty depressing Not so much depressing as non-existent. No Heaven, but no Hell either.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:42 pm
invisibleairwaves Jungle Soldier or maybe they just seek to destroy all that is good in life. Like pointless religious rituals? Brutal theocracy? Closed-mindedness? Forced obedience rather than free thought? Yeah. That's some fun stuff those atheists are trying to destroy. Quote: I mean if you don't believe in some form of god then the afterlife is pretty depressing Not so much depressing as non-existent. No Heaven, but no Hell either. hmm pointless religios rituals, I'm not bound by those, brutal theocracy, okay but you know what's more violent? those trying to destroy religion. because us religous folks actually believe in something, open mindedness is often something that leads to self destruction. forced obedience is whats needed to keep people in line, I mean think of it this way, the law demands forced obedience. no heaven or hell. hmm doesn't provide much incentive to be good. without heaven or hell then lying is perfectly okay, adultery is perfectly okay. I don't know about you but thats not the kind of world I want to live in
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:19 pm
Jungle Soldier hmm pointless religios rituals, I'm not bound by those, brutal theocracy, okay but you know what's more violent? those trying to destroy religion. because us religous folks actually believe in something, open mindedness is often something that leads to self destruction. forced obedience is whats needed to keep people in line, I mean think of it this way, the law demands forced obedience. I don't know anyone who wants to actually forcefully destroy religion. Almost all atheists regard religion as silly, and somewhat dangerous, but they know that trying to destroy religion through force would be a very bad idea. Brutal theocracy would be far worse than what your average atheist wants. Open-mindedness does not lead to self-destruction; in fact, being closed-minded will cause far more problems. "If someone told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?" is cliche, but there's truth to it. In Nazi Germany (Godwin's Law!), closed-mindedness and an intolerance for different opinions led to genocide and war. In Athens and during the founding of the United States, open-mindedness led to democracy and freedom. I can't think of a single example where free thinking brought about destruction, actually. Yes, forced obedience is necessary sometimes (i.e. don't kill, don't steal), but anything beyond the basic laws becomes an excuse for government to gain and abuse power. There is the forced obedience of a free society, and there is the completely different forced obedience of a totalitarian nation. I'm referring to the latter. Quote: no heaven or hell. hmm doesn't provide much incentive to be good. without heaven or hell then lying is perfectly okay, adultery is perfectly okay. I don't know about you but thats not the kind of world I want to live in It might not provide much incentive, but perhaps I should mention that atheists form a disproportionately small percentage of convicted criminals. Apparently they can keep their morals even without the idea of heaven, and do a better job of it than a lot of Christians who believe in heaven and hell but still violate the morals of their religion.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:17 am
Quote: hmm pointless religios rituals, I'm not bound by those, Do you go to church? If so, then you ARE bound by pointless rituals, because, guess what... that's what church is. Quote: brutal theocracy, okay but you know what's more violent? Absolutely nothing. The opression of someone based on the fact that they don't believe in something that cannot be concretely proven, be it in the form of incarceration or execution, is the most depraved act one can carry out, as it is completely arbitrary, and would be abused by those who seek to bend an already weak and utterly malleable system to their own ends. Quote: those trying to destroy religion. Nobody is trying to destroy religion... they are trying to destroy specific religions, generally, with the exception of Christianity, where it doesn't even matter if you worship the SAME GOD... I've managed to slip in relatively unnoticed at a message board of complete wack-jobs that believe that not only are the Muslims followers of Satan, but also the Jews. Normally I would post the board in question, but for the sake of my ongoing objectives on the board, I will not release the specifics. Quote: because us religous folks actually believe in something, An imaginary father figure who'll spank you if you break laws set down by the gullible militants that follow it? Quote: open mindedness is often something that leads to self destruction. only if you consider a complete reworking of your utterly misguided ways "self-destructive". If you were to actually look at the world around you, and listen to other points of view, you might actually be able to comprehend something outside of your, as I stated before, pinhole view of the world. Quote: forced obedience is whats needed to keep people in line, forced obedience isn't alwayts the best thing.... the Nazis used it.... so, I can only assume, based on all your prior posts in this thread, that you are in alignment with the American Nazi Party. Prove me wrong if you aren't. Quote: I mean think of it this way, the law demands forced obedience. Our legal system is reactionary, and the burden of proof rests on the state. How is that forced obedience? Quote: no heaven or hell. hmm doesn't provide much incentive to be good. sure it does, because you have your own conscience to contend with, as well as the consequences of your actions. Besides, given the ideals set out by christians, heaven seems awfully boring. Quote: without heaven or hell then lying is perfectly okay, adultery is perfectly okay. So, barring the condition of where you MIGHT go after you die, if anywhere, you would be screwing married women and telling the police that it wasn't you? and, actually, while I'm thinking of it, you never responded to my comment about what you would do if you were federally mandated to get humped in a public place.... Quote: I don't know about you but thats not the kind of world I want to live in Bullsh*t.... you wouldn't have said that without heaven and hell that both adultery and stealing would be okay.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:17 am
invisibleairwaves Jungle Soldier hmm pointless religios rituals, I'm not bound by those, brutal theocracy, okay but you know what's more violent? those trying to destroy religion. because us religous folks actually believe in something, open mindedness is often something that leads to self destruction. forced obedience is whats needed to keep people in line, I mean think of it this way, the law demands forced obedience. I don't know anyone who wants to actually forcefully destroy religion. Almost all atheists regard religion as silly, and somewhat dangerous, but they know that trying to destroy religion through force would be a very bad idea. Brutal theocracy would be far worse than what your average atheist wants. Open-mindedness does not lead to self-destruction; in fact, being closed-minded will cause far more problems. "If someone told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?" is cliche, but there's truth to it. In Nazi Germany (Godwin's Law!), closed-mindedness and an intolerance for different opinions led to genocide and war. In Athens and during the founding of the United States, open-mindedness led to democracy and freedom. I can't think of a single example where free thinking brought about destruction, actually. Yes, forced obedience is necessary sometimes (i.e. don't kill, don't steal), but anything beyond the basic laws becomes an excuse for government to gain and abuse power. There is the forced obedience of a free society, and there is the completely different forced obedience of a totalitarian nation. I'm referring to the latter. Quote: no heaven or hell. hmm doesn't provide much incentive to be good. without heaven or hell then lying is perfectly okay, adultery is perfectly okay. I don't know about you but thats not the kind of world I want to live in It might not provide much incentive, but perhaps I should mention that atheists form a disproportionately small percentage of convicted criminals. Apparently they can keep their morals even without the idea of heaven, and do a better job of it than a lot of Christians who believe in heaven and hell but still violate the morals of their religion. there are some violent aethiest out there, also there are people out there, (and keep in mind they would have to be aethiest because otherwise they would believe in religion) who do want to destroy religion, communists want to destroy religion. hmm open mindedness can lead to drug use, alchohol abuse, all sorts of reckless behavior, fyi openmindedness could also lead you to jump off the cliff because you want to 'try new things' democracy doesn't work because most people are too stupid, and need to be told what to do uh huh? so how does somebody who rapes a child believe in god?
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:24 am
dronze Quote: hmm pointless religios rituals, I'm not bound by those, Do you go to church? If so, then you ARE bound by pointless rituals, because, guess what... that's what church is. Quote: brutal theocracy, okay but you know what's more violent? Absolutely nothing. The opression of someone based on the fact that they don't believe in something that cannot be concretely proven, be it in the form of incarceration or execution, is the most depraved act one can carry out, as it is completely arbitrary, and would be abused by those who seek to bend an already weak and utterly malleable system to their own ends. Quote: those trying to destroy religion. Nobody is trying to destroy religion... they are trying to destroy specific religions, generally, with the exception of Christianity, where it doesn't even matter if you worship the SAME GOD... I've managed to slip in relatively unnoticed at a message board of complete wack-jobs that believe that not only are the Muslims followers of Satan, but also the Jews. Normally I would post the board in question, but for the sake of my ongoing objectives on the board, I will not release the specifics. Quote: because us religous folks actually believe in something, An imaginary father figure who'll spank you if you break laws set down by the gullible militants that follow it? Quote: open mindedness is often something that leads to self destruction. only if you consider a complete reworking of your utterly misguided ways "self-destructive". If you were to actually look at the world around you, and listen to other points of view, you might actually be able to comprehend something outside of your, as I stated before, pinhole view of the world. Quote: forced obedience is whats needed to keep people in line, forced obedience isn't alwayts the best thing.... the Nazis used it.... so, I can only assume, based on all your prior posts in this thread, that you are in alignment with the American Nazi Party. Prove me wrong if you aren't. Quote: I mean think of it this way, the law demands forced obedience. Our legal system is reactionary, and the burden of proof rests on the state. How is that forced obedience? Quote: no heaven or hell. hmm doesn't provide much incentive to be good. sure it does, because you have your own conscience to contend with, as well as the consequences of your actions. Besides, given the ideals set out by christians, heaven seems awfully boring. Quote: without heaven or hell then lying is perfectly okay, adultery is perfectly okay. So, barring the condition of where you MIGHT go after you die, if anywhere, you would be screwing married women and telling the police that it wasn't you? and, actually, while I'm thinking of it, you never responded to my comment about what you would do if you were federally mandated to get humped in a public place.... Quote: I don't know about you but thats not the kind of world I want to live in Bullsh*t.... you wouldn't have said that without heaven and hell that both adultery and stealing would be okay. I don't go to church, I worship god from my home if the oppressed are so oppressed then maybe they should change thier minds, then they wouldn't be oppressed anymore An imaginary father figure who'll spank you if you break laws set down by the gullible militants that follow it? yeah what's wrong with that? it demands good behavior so therefore it is good forced obedience isn't alwayts the best thing.... the Nazis used it.... so, I can only assume, based on all your prior posts in this thread, that you are in alignment with the American Nazi Party. Okay you are taking one example of how forced obedience was used in an evil fashion. what about those who follow the ten commandments? thats forced obedience and there is nothing wrong with those. I do not follow the american nazi party personally i would tortment any member i came across in the most brutal fashion. I.E. literately breaking every bone in their bodies and leaving them to die. I would kill any nazi I ever came across if I went to jail and then later hell it would have been worth it! Our legal system is reactionary, and the burden of proof rests on the state. How is that forced obedience? you are FORCED to obey the laws Besides, given the ideals set out by christians, heaven seems awfully boring. then go to hell when you die So, barring the condition of where you MIGHT go after you die, if anywhere, you would be screwing married women and telling the police that it wasn't you? the absence of punishment creates no incentive to not commit the deed and, actually, while I'm thinking of it, you never responded to my comment about what you would do if you were federally mandated to get humped in a public place.... I would go into hiding Bullsh*t.... you wouldn't have said that without heaven and hell that both adultery and stealing would be okay I'm confused, please reword this I cannot make sense of it
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:22 pm
Quote: I don't go to church, I worship god from my home But worship is still pointless ritual... Quote: if the oppressed are so oppressed then maybe they should change thier minds, then they wouldn't be oppressed anymore Or, perhaps people of a different mindset should be allowed to retain their mindset without having to worry about whether or not they will be persecuted for their THOUGHTS. Quote: Quote: An imaginary father figure who'll spank you if you break laws set down by the gullible militants that follow it? yeah what's wrong with that? it demands good behavior so therefore it is good What of free will, which, again, given your stance on the matter, was given to us when your god created the world. To exersize the will of man and claim it as the will of god is ignorant, as well as hypocritical... and even outside of all this, WRONG. Forcing obedience effectively negates free will. Quote: Quote: forced obedience isn't alwayts the best thing.... the Nazis used it.... so, I can only assume, based on all your prior posts in this thread, that you are in alignment with the American Nazi Party. Okay you are taking one example of how forced obedience was used in an evil fashion. what about those who follow the ten commandments? thats forced obedience and there is nothing wrong with those. I do not follow the american nazi party personally i would tortment any member i came across in the most brutal fashion. I.E. literately breaking every bone in their bodies and leaving them to die. I would kill any nazi I ever came across if I went to jail and then later hell it would have been worth it! You don't seem to understand the scope of the view you've set forth... forced obedience is something that has ONLY been used by opressive regimes to keep and exercize their power over the masses. I challenge you to name one time when forced obedience has EVER been a good thing. Quote: Quote: Our legal system is reactionary, and the burden of proof rests on the state. How is that forced obedience? you are FORCED to obey the laws No, you choose to obey the laws. There are no preemptive arrests, and no one will stop you from killing that nazi party member on the basis of you declaring it on the internet. You will be arrested after you've committed the act, charged, given due process, and sent to prison to deal with his skinhead buddies, who WILL exact their revenge... and if your lucky, it will stop at shanking, as opposed to making it to the shower, where 12 lonely guys, serving exceedingly long sentances, can make your body their playground. Quote: Besides, given the ideals set out by christians, heaven seems awfully boring. then go to hell when you die You say that like you can prove that either of them exist. Quote: Quote: So, barring the condition of where you MIGHT go after you die, if anywhere, you would be screwing married women and telling the police that it wasn't you? the absence of punishment creates no incentive to not commit the deed You, yourself have stated otherwise in reguard to the atheists. Quote: Quote: and, actually, while I'm thinking of it, you never responded to my comment about what you would do if you were federally mandated to get humped in a public place.... I would go into hiding What happened to the complete trust you had in your government? I'm sure that they're having you publically cornholed for the good of the country. For someone who places so much trust in the system, you sure like to leave out a slew of possible scenarios. Quote: Quote: Bullsh*t.... you wouldn't have said that without heaven and hell that both adultery and stealing would be okay I'm confused, please reword this I cannot make sense of it What I meant to say was "You wouldn't have said that without first qualifying the fact that both adultry and lying were okay, provided that you don't need to worry about the consequences in the afterlife." That falls into a simple category along with "Homoerotic thoughts are natural to everyone".... they're not. Qualifying an action based on one's perception that, since they think that "xyz" is true for them, it must be true for everyone. So thee tough question from all this becomes "How burdened is your conscience?"
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:54 pm
dronze Quote: I don't go to church, I worship god from my home But worship is still pointless ritual... Quote: if the oppressed are so oppressed then maybe they should change thier minds, then they wouldn't be oppressed anymore Or, perhaps people of a different mindset should be allowed to retain their mindset without having to worry about whether or not they will be persecuted for their THOUGHTS. Quote: Quote: An imaginary father figure who'll spank you if you break laws set down by the gullible militants that follow it? yeah what's wrong with that? it demands good behavior so therefore it is good What of free will, which, again, given your stance on the matter, was given to us when your god created the world. To exersize the will of man and claim it as the will of god is ignorant, as well as hypocritical... and even outside of all this, WRONG. Forcing obedience effectively negates free will. Quote: Quote: forced obedience isn't alwayts the best thing.... the Nazis used it.... so, I can only assume, based on all your prior posts in this thread, that you are in alignment with the American Nazi Party. Okay you are taking one example of how forced obedience was used in an evil fashion. what about those who follow the ten commandments? thats forced obedience and there is nothing wrong with those. I do not follow the american nazi party personally i would tortment any member i came across in the most brutal fashion. I.E. literately breaking every bone in their bodies and leaving them to die. I would kill any nazi I ever came across if I went to jail and then later hell it would have been worth it! You don't seem to understand the scope of the view you've set forth... forced obedience is something that has ONLY been used by opressive regimes to keep and exercize their power over the masses. I challenge you to name one time when forced obedience has EVER been a good thing. Quote: Quote: Our legal system is reactionary, and the burden of proof rests on the state. How is that forced obedience? you are FORCED to obey the laws No, you choose to obey the laws. There are no preemptive arrests, and no one will stop you from killing that nazi party member on the basis of you declaring it on the internet. You will be arrested after you've committed the act, charged, given due process, and sent to prison to deal with his skinhead buddies, who WILL exact their revenge... and if your lucky, it will stop at shanking, as opposed to making it to the shower, where 12 lonely guys, serving exceedingly long sentances, can make your body their playground. Quote: Besides, given the ideals set out by christians, heaven seems awfully boring. then go to hell when you die You say that like you can prove that either of them exist. Quote: Quote: So, barring the condition of where you MIGHT go after you die, if anywhere, you would be screwing married women and telling the police that it wasn't you? the absence of punishment creates no incentive to not commit the deed You, yourself have stated otherwise in reguard to the atheists. Quote: Quote: and, actually, while I'm thinking of it, you never responded to my comment about what you would do if you were federally mandated to get humped in a public place.... I would go into hiding What happened to the complete trust you had in your government? I'm sure that they're having you publically cornholed for the good of the country. For someone who places so much trust in the system, you sure like to leave out a slew of possible scenarios. Quote: Quote: Bullsh*t.... you wouldn't have said that without heaven and hell that both adultery and stealing would be okay I'm confused, please reword this I cannot make sense of it What I meant to say was "You wouldn't have said that without first qualifying the fact that both adultry and lying were okay, provided that you don't need to worry about the consequences in the afterlife." That falls into a simple category along with "Homoerotic thoughts are natural to everyone".... they're not. Qualifying an action based on one's perception that, since they think that "xyz" is true for them, it must be true for everyone. So thee tough question from all this becomes "How burdened is your conscience?" But worship is still pointless ritual... how is it a pointless ritual, when religion is the only thing is this life I can count on? Or, perhaps people of a different mindset should be allowed to retain their mindset without having to worry about whether or not they will be persecuted for their THOUGHTS how can one be prosecuted for thier thoughts? you cannot prove thoughts What of free will, which, again, given your stance on the matter, was given to us when your god created the world. To exersize the will of man and claim it as the will of god is ignorant, as well as hypocritical... and even outside of all this, WRONG. clarification please I challenge you to name one time when forced obedience has EVER been a good thing. Already covered that one dude: the ten commandments? thats forced obedience and there is nothing wrong with those No, you choose to obey the laws. There are no preemptive arrests, and no one will stop you from killing that nazi party member on the basis of you declaring it on the internet. You will be arrested after you've committed the act, charged, given due process, and sent to prison to deal with his skinhead buddies, who WILL exact their revenge... and if your lucky, it will stop at shanking, as opposed to making it to the shower, where 12 lonely guys, serving exceedingly long sentances, can make your body their playground. dude I'm going to explain this to you: action a is forbidden by law. okay if you commit action a you are locked away! sounds like forced obedience to me. then go to hell when you die You say that like you can prove that either of them exist. you say that like you can prove that neither of them do I meant to say was "You wouldn't have said that without first qualifying the fact that both adultry and lying were okay, provided that you don't need to worry about the consequences in the afterlife." yeah? That falls into a simple category along with "Homoerotic thoughts are natural to everyone".... they're not. Qualifying an action based on one's perception that, since they think that "xyz" is true for them, it must be true for everyone. what the hell are you talking about? So thee tough question from all this becomes "How burdened is your conscience?" my conscience is clear because I do not violate the ten commandmants because they are the laws of god, and considering that I do not violate them I have nothing to feel guilty about
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:17 am
Jungle.... given that you've been thoroughly beaten in this debate, and refuse to accept defeat, I hereby challenge you to a 1 on 1 debate... presidential candidate style.
can I get anyone to step up to moderate for this?
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:12 pm
dronze Jungle.... given that you've been thoroughly beaten in this debate, and refuse to accept defeat, I hereby challenge you to a 1 on 1 debate... presidential candidate style. can I get anyone to step up to moderate for this? I never accept defeat. Ever. It's not in what I know. I am up for this debate you are proposing but how would we go about it?
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