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Okay, while going through my Codex: Space Marines I noticed that the Honor Guard cannot take terminator armor, I was wondering if this can be taken with no additional points cost.

the reason I ask is because I am ordering Commander Carab Culln Chapter Master of the Red Scorpions Chapter and I'm going to give him an honor guard squad.

if i recall correctly, they got rid of alot of Termy Hounours options going from 4th to 5th ed. my friend had gotten back into 40k and was pissed about that when i lent him me book to update his army.

Termie honors giving +1 A were cool... but I seem to see character-nerfing trend. No more 6 powerfist attacks on the charge...

lol, Caleidah, i thought you were Firelink for a second there XD

so, in the Codex they give the Veteren the +1 attack? i thought veterens had 2 attacks (in 4th E) and termy honours gave them 3

Return to his dusty tomes of 4th and 3rth edition marine codex.
The anwser to the question; no, veterans have 1 attack in their base stat (both 4th & 3rth),
Veteran Sergeants are made by buying an upgrade/terminator honour,
and both codexes mention these lines;

1. Note that this bonus has already been included in the characteristics of
Vet.Ser and any SM equipped with Terminator Armour,
and therefore may not be taken again. (3rth)

2. Note that a single W model that has selected TH from it´s list entry
cannot then select it again from the armoury. (4th)

The remembered 3rth attack bonus mostlikely comes from the fact that
most players equipped them with a close combat/power weapon and a pistol,
or perhaps a chapter banner / relic item granting the bonus.

On veteran/command squad,
if you buy a TH/upgrade to sergeant to make him Vet.Ser,
the rest of the units can also buy TH with a lesser points cost.

So, in the 40k league at my store, Im in second place, yet still undefeated, I am 6 wins behind the leader who is at 10 wins. I want to play him this coming friday for bragging rights. But the thing is, I need a well made list. I was thinking, since I play SM and he plays Chaos Daemons, I would field some Grey Knights. So my options are: not to play any, a 5 man of grey knights, or a 6 man of grey knight terminators, one of course with the incinerator and the brother captain with psybolts in each. However, I am not sure which to choose, so I figured I would ask my fellow Gaians, which is you, so, input please!

I see your points and raise my own.

1st off, I wasnt planning on having them deep strike, I need them as soon as possible, and that isnt soon enough if I have to wait for them to arrive no earlier than the second turn.

I do however like null zone, it is very attractive, it would perhaps mean that I dont have to spend the 50ish dollars I was going to to buy the grey knights, and instead just buy the librarian and just put in more shooty stuff.

So now, the question is, put the librarian in terminator armor and put him with a squad, or just leave him in power armor and take a squad of scouts with a heavy bolter...


Edit: my lists would look something like this either way:

2 Tactical squads each with heavy bolters,
a predator destructor with heavy bolters, 5 sternguard of which 4 have storm bolters, and an Epistolary with terminator armor and a storm bolter

Or

2 tactical squads with heavy bolters
predator, sternguard with 3 stormbolters, librarian with nullzone, and 5 scouts 3 with shotguns and a heavy bolter