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 Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:20 am
DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman Quite so, units can disembark and shoot or run, but cannot assault. So they can pop out, torch and shoot the unit, but they need to hit it good or they'll be open to retribution. That's a main reason I haven't much used transports in general, especially for assault units. The option to run and smart use of cover makes it such that it really doesn't seem to help much, and if it's a combat transport like an Immolator, Razorback, or Falcon, moving fast enough to drop off troops negates their advantage of heavy guns. Unless it's a Valkyrie. emotion_awesome
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:24 am
Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman Quite so, units can disembark and shoot or run, but cannot assault. So they can pop out, torch and shoot the unit, but they need to hit it good or they'll be open to retribution. That's a main reason I haven't much used transports in general, especially for assault units. The option to run and smart use of cover makes it such that it really doesn't seem to help much, and if it's a combat transport like an Immolator, Razorback, or Falcon, moving fast enough to drop off troops negates their advantage of heavy guns. Unless it's a Valkyrie. emotion_awesome And back to flyers! Dx
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:30 am
DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman Quite so, units can disembark and shoot or run, but cannot assault. So they can pop out, torch and shoot the unit, but they need to hit it good or they'll be open to retribution. That's a main reason I haven't much used transports in general, especially for assault units. The option to run and smart use of cover makes it such that it really doesn't seem to help much, and if it's a combat transport like an Immolator, Razorback, or Falcon, moving fast enough to drop off troops negates their advantage of heavy guns. Unless it's a Valkyrie. emotion_awesome And back to flyers! Dx I'm sure that both the Eldar and the Sisters will get a flyer of their own when they get their revision. It's one of the rules, every new codex gets a flyer.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:36 am
Eldar surely can find a good flyer or 2, as per DE dex, but Sisters? I'm not sure... they are pretty limited in their tech access, being a bit at odds with AdMech, and do not get entire planet to sustain themselves like most Marine Chapters have...
Sisters never have been a much assaulty army, instead relying on mass bolters/flamer/melta on short range and here the transports were priceless for delivering them into optimal devastating range, plus allowing to gang up on enemy squads.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:47 am
Van Evok Eldar surely can find a good flyer or 2, as per DE dex, but Sisters? I'm not sure... they are pretty limited in their tech access, being a bit at odds with AdMech, and do not get entire planet to sustain themselves like most Marine Chapters have... Sisters never have been a much assaulty army, instead relying on mass bolters/flamer/melta on short range and here the transports were priceless for delivering them into optimal devastating range, plus allowing to gang up on enemy squads. Valid point, but then again, the Sisters don't have a standalone codex, either, just the three-part deal from White Dwarf. Like you said, they're more assault-y, perhaps we'll see AA variants of their units? I can see their musical missile tank (whose name escapes me) being able to fire a killer salvo of surface-to-air missiles.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:24 am
lol @ musical missile tank...
it's Exorcist
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:28 am
Van Evok lol @ musical missile tank... it's Exorcist I should probably definitely know that, considering my wife's been drooling over one for her army for a while now. sweatdrop Regardless! I'm imagining an upgrade to the Exorcist, say 30-50pts for a Target Acquisition Radar upgrade, which gives Exorcist missiles the Skyfire capability. That'd be a nice salvo to take down a flyer.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:00 am
DarkElf27 Van Evok lol @ musical missile tank... it's Exorcist I should probably definitely know that, considering my wife's been drooling over one for her army for a while now. sweatdrop Regardless! I'm imagining an upgrade to the Exorcist, say 30-50pts for a Target Acquisition Radar upgrade, which gives Exorcist missiles the Skyfire capability. That'd be a nice salvo to take down a flyer. A tad expensive really, but then again, sky-fire is handy when facing a flyer or seven.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:06 am
Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 Van Evok lol @ musical missile tank... it's Exorcist I should probably definitely know that, considering my wife's been drooling over one for her army for a while now. sweatdrop Regardless! I'm imagining an upgrade to the Exorcist, say 30-50pts for a Target Acquisition Radar upgrade, which gives Exorcist missiles the Skyfire capability. That'd be a nice salvo to take down a flyer. A tad expensive really, but then again, sky-fire is handy when facing a flyer or seven. Well the points cost is fluid really, I figured that an anti-flyer at this junction of GW rule-writing would be considered quite valuable.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:10 am
DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 Van Evok lol @ musical missile tank... it's Exorcist I should probably definitely know that, considering my wife's been drooling over one for her army for a while now. sweatdrop Regardless! I'm imagining an upgrade to the Exorcist, say 30-50pts for a Target Acquisition Radar upgrade, which gives Exorcist missiles the Skyfire capability. That'd be a nice salvo to take down a flyer. A tad expensive really, but then again, sky-fire is handy when facing a flyer or seven. Well the points cost is fluid really, I figured that an anti-flyer at this junction of GW rule-writing would be considered quite valuable. It's a niche unit really, a hard counter for a certain unit type, which if left out of the match, leaves you with a rather weak unit all of the sudden.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:17 am
Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 I should probably definitely know that, considering my wife's been drooling over one for her army for a while now. sweatdrop Regardless! I'm imagining an upgrade to the Exorcist, say 30-50pts for a Target Acquisition Radar upgrade, which gives Exorcist missiles the Skyfire capability. That'd be a nice salvo to take down a flyer. A tad expensive really, but then again, sky-fire is handy when facing a flyer or seven. Well the points cost is fluid really, I figured that an anti-flyer at this junction of GW rule-writing would be considered quite valuable. It's a niche unit really, a hard counter for a certain unit type, which if left out of the match, leaves you with a rather weak unit all of the sudden. Which is why an upgrade that leaves the unit flexible to AA and ground roles is ideal, and that convenience is what would bear the pricetag.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:19 am
DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 I should probably definitely know that, considering my wife's been drooling over one for her army for a while now. sweatdrop Regardless! I'm imagining an upgrade to the Exorcist, say 30-50pts for a Target Acquisition Radar upgrade, which gives Exorcist missiles the Skyfire capability. That'd be a nice salvo to take down a flyer. A tad expensive really, but then again, sky-fire is handy when facing a flyer or seven. Well the points cost is fluid really, I figured that an anti-flyer at this junction of GW rule-writing would be considered quite valuable. It's a niche unit really, a hard counter for a certain unit type, which if left out of the match, leaves you with a rather weak unit all of the sudden. Which is why an upgrade that leaves the unit flexible to AA and ground roles is ideal, and that convenience is what would bear the pricetag. Chances are though that we will see more and more dedicated ack-ack units along the line of the Hydra, or as a small unit upgrade in form of the flak-missile. Or, more flyers.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:27 am
Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 Well the points cost is fluid really, I figured that an anti-flyer at this junction of GW rule-writing would be considered quite valuable. It's a niche unit really, a hard counter for a certain unit type, which if left out of the match, leaves you with a rather weak unit all of the sudden. Which is why an upgrade that leaves the unit flexible to AA and ground roles is ideal, and that convenience is what would bear the pricetag. Chances are though that we will see more and more dedicated ack-ack units along the line of the Hydra, or as a small unit upgrade in form of the flak-missile. Or, more flyers. It's definitely going to play hell with the balances of the game, but it could be a good thing if they do it right, I guess. Add another measure of needing to prepare against multiple enemy types, though not having many particular good options to take care of flyers is really what kills me right now.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:53 am
DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 Lt. Brookman DarkElf27 Well the points cost is fluid really, I figured that an anti-flyer at this junction of GW rule-writing would be considered quite valuable. It's a niche unit really, a hard counter for a certain unit type, which if left out of the match, leaves you with a rather weak unit all of the sudden. Which is why an upgrade that leaves the unit flexible to AA and ground roles is ideal, and that convenience is what would bear the pricetag. Chances are though that we will see more and more dedicated ack-ack units along the line of the Hydra, or as a small unit upgrade in form of the flak-missile. Or, more flyers. It's definitely going to play hell with the balances of the game, but it could be a good thing if they do it right, I guess. Add another measure of needing to prepare against multiple enemy types, though not having many particular good options to take care of flyers is really what kills me right now. Flyers are not an end of the world introduction. Flyers can still be shot at by regular units and flyers can be used as hard counters who can fire upon other flyers without any penalty. Well, except for daemons, who lack ranged attacks. But in my defence, the ******** deserve it.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:59 am
Lt. Brookman Flyers are not an end of the world introduction. Flyers can still be shot at by regular units and flyers can be used as hard counters who can fire upon other flyers without any penalty. Well, except for daemons, who lack ranged attacks. But in my defence, the ******** deserve it. Hah! But how many armies actually have flyers right now? It'll take years for codex releases to catch up with the concept, unless they release a multi-army expansion.
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