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| Who's your favorite character? |
| Miaka |
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8% |
[ 28 ] |
| Tamahome |
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20% |
[ 66 ] |
| Chichiri |
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14% |
[ 46 ] |
| Chiriko |
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1% |
[ 5 ] |
| Mitsukake |
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0% |
[ 2 ] |
| Hotohori |
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12% |
[ 40 ] |
| Nuriko |
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12% |
[ 42 ] |
| Tasuki |
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24% |
[ 80 ] |
| Other |
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5% |
[ 19 ] |
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 12:41 pm
*holding a knife* ^^ You knew what would happen to you if you said Amiboshi was evil, didn't you? ^^
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 1:55 pm
Miss Chloie I mean... the GOOD characters... like, this has to do with Ayashi no Ceres more than fushigi Yuugi...now...that I think of it.. But I think that the good-- Has anyone noticed how all of the good characters get the worst deals; and still somehow manage to remain good; while the bad characters have the best lives? I know what you're thinking... "But they bad guys always get theirs in the end" ...that isn't necessarilly true... not everyone does... and no, I'm not well, maybe I'm talking about a Amiboshi instance where he turned good...and then had to suffer the problems that come with being "good" BUT THEN he got to forget about everything; so.... He was a evil person who got what he wanted in the end. ^_^ (well, he wasn't an evil person per-se, but he did fight for their side; no matter how he came about doing it.) Twilightbluerose Miss Chloie she needs to stop TORTURING THE GOOD CHARACTERS!!! crying Then where would the conflict be? That is one of the best parts of her works. Ah ah ah! You're wrong, Amiboshi was never really "evil", just because he was a Seiryuu Shichiseishi DOESN'T make him evil. You're blending the two. I see the point you're trying to make, but wrong character usage there. Amiboshi never really wanted to hurt anyone, he came to really like the Suzaku Seishi and Miaka (I mean, obviously he liked Miaka so much he wanted to marry her but yea...). I've never seen Amiboshi as evil, he never really killed anyone like his half-crazed brother.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 2:04 pm
Suboshi isn't half crazed. All his horrible acts happened AFTER he thought that Amiboshi was killed. What would you do if the only person that ever cared about you died? He had lost his parents, and then his brother. And you see that Nakago asks him if he wants to have revenge, then he said that "Suboshi isn't strong enough to attack the Suzaku Seishi." So Nakago told him that Tamahome killed Amiboshi, and gave him the idea to kill Tama's family. How else would Suboshi think that Tamahome was the one who killed Amiboshi when he had never met any Suzaku Seishi? Everything he did after that was because of Yui. He was in love with her, so he wanted to make Miaka suffer, because he thought that she was the one who made Yui suffer. In the end, he wasn't bad neither crazed. All his actions are justified by what he went through.
Oh, I forgot to mention that Nakago also said to Tamahome "I made Suboshi kill your family."
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:05 pm
i love what you two (the manda and takiko-chan) wrote!! first of all, that was the best (the only? eek ) justification of suboshi. i always kinda didnt like him (i would never say hate...ugh, suzaku forbid anyone ever say that...) but reading that made me rethink his character. you know...his personality's a little like yui's. when they both hear something (suboshi: "your brothers dead," yui: "miaka betrayed you") they fly into a rampage and will do anything to get the ultimate revenge. BUT that doesnt mean they're "evil" for doing so. i really did try to put myself in their positions and found out i'd be pretty ticked off if someone told me ____ killed my family or ____ was the reason i was raped [insert names there ^^] The Manda, the post that you wrote that started out like this: Quote: OOooooookay! Looks like a lot of people missed some points in Watase-sensei's manga was great 3nodding sensei's endings arent the "perfect" happy ending but they are happy ending nonethless. in fact, im glad they arent so cheesy because that would be unrealistic and...cheesy (no other word....) and yes, even erika was justified in the end of imadoki (though no one really cares sweatdrop i didnt see The Kitsune Hanyou's post and i wont be too hard on her but if a guy were hot i wouldnt exactly fall to pieces because we were separated. and if i did whine it'd probably be because im joking around like some "romeo romeo where foreart though romeo" thing xp (sorry we're reading shakespeare in class) the reason tamahome and amiboshi are my favorite seishi isnt because they're hot (though they are pleasing to they eye wink ) but because they're so perfect it makes you wanna wring em and kiss em at the same time xd so theres my little rambling...my goodness i cant believe i wrote all that xp
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:29 pm
I am able to justify Suboshi's actions a lot more! Though I guess I'd do better at it in Portuguese, since I ran outta words in English really quickly. sweatdrop I saw shortly ago a website that also justifies Suboshi, I'm gonna try to find it.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 4:55 pm
that oughtta be good 3nodding im softening up to suboshi now...but i'll always love amiboshi more xp heart
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:32 pm
Yea, see that's true enough. I can't say I was COMPLETELY paying attention to everything. And I can half-listen to Japanese like I would English. And Suboshi has never been one of my favorites. I guess its the fact that he's as weak minded as to fall pray to manipulation like Yui that bothers me. The funny thing is too, that Amiboshi wasn't even really dead.
I just think that Suboshi was really low for going and killing four kids and a defenseless and ill man, regardless of the circumstances.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:39 pm
Miss Chloie I mean... the GOOD characters... like, this has to do with Ayashi no Ceres more than fushigi Yuugi...now...that I think of it.. But I think that the good-- Has anyone noticed how all of the good characters get the worst deals; and still somehow manage to remain good; while the bad characters have the best lives? I know what you're thinking... "But they bad guys always get theirs in the end" ...that isn't necessarilly true... not everyone does... and no, I'm not well, maybe I'm talking about a Amiboshi instance where he turned good...and then had to suffer the problems that come with being "good" BUT THEN he got to forget about everything; so.... He was a evil person who got what he wanted in the end. ^_^ (well, he wasn't an evil person per-se, but he did fight for their side; no matter how he came about doing it.) Without conflict of any type between the good or evil characters though, it would all be fluff without action. Worse of all there would be no plot. Conflict- even if it does appear as torture- is a necessity to any storyline. Especially for the main character(s). ^_~ Karma does have a way of striking back, even if it isn't immediately. Yes, Amiboshi did seem to start that way, but he did have reluctance. He did confess how he felt to Miaka and did get his way of not remembering everything. Though he didn't get his wish of Suboshi joining him and in the end did lose his only blood relative.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:57 pm
The Manda I just think that Suboshi was really low for going and killing four kids and a defenseless and ill man, regardless of the circumstances. here here! stressed at least have the spunk to go after the one who pissed you off in the first place (though one of the rules of a "villain" is to damage his heart, not the body...makes sense suboshi went after tama's family. made it hurt all the more cry )
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:39 am
You knew what I meant! The point of the speech was not to proclaim Amiboshi as evil (as, I was not*) but to explain how the "bad guys" get the good stuff while the "good"guys get shifted. Its enough to make me want to be evil. I mean... the evil people usualy either DIE at the end, Get away with it, or become GOOD. 1.If you're dead you wont know it anyway, and you'll still have a life full of happiness 2.Get away with it? Hm... continue to be happy... 3.This option kinda is the worst... because as soon as they become good, they'll run into a bunch of problems--UNLESS it is the end of the story. ^_^ Then they'll STILL be able to live happilly ever after because it will be the end of the story...and....the author cant fit anymore misery into it. ^_^ *What I was saying is not more about his character, but more about which team he played for. He played for Seriu much longer than Suzaku...and thats what I was trying to get at. *besides, you knew it was an example... and you knew that I changed my mind at the last minute; so whats the point in arguing with something that I already know is incorrect, huh? Do you just want to prove that I'm wrong and you're right, maybe even when we're both trying to make the same point? The Manda Miss Chloie I mean... the GOOD characters... like, this has to do with Ayashi no Ceres more than fushigi Yuugi...now...that I think of it.. But I think that the good-- Has anyone noticed how all of the good characters get the worst deals; and still somehow manage to remain good; while the bad characters have the best lives? I know what you're thinking... "But they bad guys always get theirs in the end" ...that isn't necessarilly true... not everyone does... and no, I'm not well, maybe I'm talking about a Amiboshi instance where he turned good...and then had to suffer the problems that come with being "good" BUT THEN he got to forget about everything; so.... He was a evil person who got what he wanted in the end. ^_^ (well, he wasn't an evil person per-se, but he did fight for their side; no matter how he came about doing it.) Twilightbluerose Miss Chloie she needs to stop TORTURING THE GOOD CHARACTERS!!! crying Then where would the conflict be? That is one of the best parts of her works. Ah ah ah! You're wrong, Amiboshi was never really "evil", just because he was a Seiryuu Shichiseishi DOESN'T make him evil. You're blending the two. I see the point you're trying to make, but wrong character usage there. Amiboshi never really wanted to hurt anyone, he came to really like the Suzaku Seishi and Miaka (I mean, obviously he liked Miaka so much he wanted to marry her but yea...). I've never seen Amiboshi as evil, he never really killed anyone like his half-crazed brother.
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 3:12 am
what i seriously don't get is how suboshi felt amiboshi's life force disappear and amiboshi NOT being dead... confused it just really doesn't make sense... xp
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:24 pm
Miss Chloie You knew what I meant! The point of the speech was not to proclaim Amiboshi as evil (as, I was not*) but to explain how the "bad guys" get the good stuff while the "good"guys get shifted. Its enough to make me want to be evil. I mean... the evil people usualy either DIE at the end, Get away with it, or become GOOD. 1.If you're dead you wont know it anyway, and you'll still have a life full of happiness 2.Get away with it? Hm... continue to be happy... 3.This option kinda is the worst... because as soon as they become good, they'll run into a bunch of problems--UNLESS it is the end of the story. ^_^ Then they'll STILL be able to live happilly ever after because it will be the end of the story...and....the author cant fit anymore misery into it. ^_^ if you really count dying as "something good," you're contradicting yourself because the good guys die a lot too, mostly more than the bad ones (didnt someone already say this?) and i dont particularly see how dying is "a life full of happiness" since you have no life confused who got away with their "evil" intentions? i dont recall that but if you could remind me...because i think i know what you're saying but im not that sure.
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:35 am
they'll be dead, so they wont know the difference
My friend say, "Bad things never happen to bad people because they're the ones doing the bad things," and another says, "If you're evil and a good guy saves a bunch of cute little bunnies, then thats good but its bad for you because its good.."
I think I messed up what she said.. >.<; "close enough"
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 11:46 am
Yea, well, the problem with your friend's logic is that the line between good and evil isn't quite so black and white as we might like to think. Fushigi Yuugi is great example of that. So many of the things we call evil deads, are things meant with a well meaning intention. Their execution or way of going about things might be misguided though.
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 2:47 pm
Which friend? Friend one or two? I don't really get what friend two said yet. gonk
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