@Maji: Luna & Nosferatu. It's your vote and opinion, but you're totally ignoring any innovations to Dark Magic after the SNES generation.
Too bad they weren't available in the SFC versions, thus making dark magic at the time, the worst. Granted, they DID improve later on, they didn't back then which leads me to say Dark Magic is the worst IMO.
And regarding me ignoring anything past the SFC versions: that's mainly due to those three titles being the only titles I play these days. Even so, those are what makes me call myself a hardcore, diehard FE fan.
Okay… but this is for the entire series. Not just three games out of eleven (or twelve if you count the most recent title that still hasn't come to the US). But it's not like I'm saying you should change or vote, and we all know all you care about is FE3-5 (and sometimes 11), despite having played other entries. But it's just like… well, I never have to wonder about who you're going to vote for for anything, because it's virtually guaranteed to come from 3-5.
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:39 pm
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@Maji: Luna & Nosferatu. It's your vote and opinion, but you're totally ignoring any innovations to Dark Magic after the SNES generation.
Too bad they weren't available in the SFC versions, thus making dark magic at the time, the worst. Granted, they DID improve later on, they didn't back then which leads me to say Dark Magic is the worst IMO.
And regarding me ignoring anything past the SFC versions: that's mainly due to those three titles being the only titles I play these days. Even so, those are what makes me call myself a hardcore, diehard FE fan.
Okay… but this is for the entire series. Not just three games out of eleven (or twelve if you count the most recent title that still hasn't come to the US). But it's not like I'm saying you should change or vote, and we all know all you care about is FE3-5 (and sometimes 11), despite having played other entries. But it's just like… well, I never have to wonder about who you're going to vote for for anything, because it's virtually guaranteed to come from 3-5.
Just like how I can guarantee 90% of votes will come from FE7 and/or any other GBA titles from some voters, but I'd rather not argue about this. One way or another it'll offend some people and that's the last thing I want as I like all of you. And if I were to include Dark Magic or any weapon from the entire series, it would be impossible to reach a conclusion as they all have their ups and downs, nerfs and buffs as the series progresses.
Best: Bows → Immunity to WTA. Even if you don't have short-range, many archers are also dodge machines. (Rebecca, anyone?) The ability to use Longbows is also pretty awesome, AND ballistae.
Worst: Dark → Their lower accuracy hampers them, along with a general lower ability to obtain Shamans than Mages or Monks. At least you get people who can USE Light magic! In FE7, unless you use Athos, you only have Canas, in 8, you have Knoll or a specific Ewan promotion line, and in 9 and 10, I think your only options were two OPTIONAL characters!
But yeah, in all seriousness, low accuracy doesn't quite outweigh the power boost, especially because they're also the heaviest. I prefer Anima or Light for critical power.
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:58 pm
Last week's topic alone went to FE10 and FE5, and while anyone who's only played the GBA titles is going to be stuck with just that to pick from, unfortunately, a good bulk of the votes go to FE9 and 10, too, and FE4-5 at least get quite a bit of loving, themselves, overall.
Believe me, I don't mean to offend, and certainly don't find you offensive. And I'd much rather hear what you have to say about the 3 games you're devoted to and have good commentary to provide for then someone who's only played one game in the entire series and is voting in a topic about the best/worst in the entire series when there are 8-9 more titles they haven't even touched and thus their awareness with the series overall becomes suspect. Especially because quite often, you hit the nail on the head, IMO, about who really is best and worst whereas people who haven't played the SNES games don't even know.
But it totally is possible to look at the entire series and come to an overall conclusion. Maybe that's just my opinion though. Whatever. At any rate, I'm glad to be able to hear what you have to say about the topics.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:10 pm
Yeah yeah you know the deal by now. Next Topic is best/worst Prepromote. (in the case of FE10 Part 1 prepromotes are 2nd tiers. Part 2 on is 3rd tier units. Note: Elencia and Volke don't count because they is their own class. Athos doesn't count either. Any character you get post main storyline sure as hell don't count either.)
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:30 pm
…If anyone votes FE7 Marcus, Seth or Titania as worst, I’m going to s**t a brick.
Best: Seth. Perfect availability, good affinity and support options, very solid growths and averages, mounted utility, partial weapon triangle control… yeah, there are a LOT of good prepromotes out there, but Seth has virtually everything going for him.
Other great prepromotes who I feel at least deserve name recognition include: FE10 Zihark, FE4 Sety, Echinda, Pent, Harken, Geitz, Hawkeye, FE7 Karel, Percival, Niime, FE9 Stefan, Olwen, Pahn, and Dean. And I’m sure there are more (there are definitely more if you value Snipers more than I do). It’s just… factoring in availability alone alongside performance, I don’t see how anyone can beat out Seth. He’s a great unit THE ENTIRE GAME. A lot of the people I’ve listed are really great and all, but they’re not around the entire game like Seth is.
Worst: I'm thinking FE6's Yunno at the moment. Damn is she atrocious. There are plenty of other atrocious prepromotes, but she's a pain in the a** to recruit and isn't around very long on top of being atrocious.
FE11 has some horrendous units as well, but it's hard to treat the majority of the people in FE11 as units to begin with, they're so expendable. And at least by expending them I can attain Gaiden chapters for exp for the units I'm using. Utility in death>Yunno existing. There are lots of mediocre prepromotes out there as well, but I wouldn't call a lot of them bad or say they qualify for worst. And I'm sure this isn't comprehensive either.
First off: by Athos, does this apply to ALL the Gato archetypes?
Best: Zagaro (FE11)- this man is the reason of how I managed to waltz through H5 mode. Honourable mentions to Wolf, although in H5 mode and efficient runthroughs, Def >>>>>> Atk. With almost perfect availability, silly stat ups (silly as in WTFBBQHAXX), benefit of not having to waste a Master Proof on him, his potential is unlimited, I almost feel like I'm cheating for voting him as best.
Worst: I was going to pick Nina (FE3/12) for joining at the last turn of the last battle with pretty much 0% growth in everything, low bases, and can only equip fire tomes on a final boss with no enemies around, but that'd be too cheap ;D so I'll go with Roshe of FE3. Now Roshe.. unlike Abel who has a support with the ever so broken Paola (See: one of few cases in FE3 and 5 I use mounted units), Roshe just
got all his friends slaughtered as this is FE3 and not FE12, so Marth took no Wolf Squad member prisoner except for Roshe so no supports for him
. Also, any chances of Star Orb abuse (+30% ALL stats) so that got shot to hell, and for the cake, he joins later than Abel, even if it is only a few chapters, Abel will still be kicking his a** and making out with Est and hitting on Paola with supports and Roshe will just be on his own with few mounted chapters left for him to "shine".
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:59 pm
Best: Pent. He really helps me out through the game.
Worst: Renault. For someone who has lots of experience as both a mercenary and bishop, even longer than all the units (besides those who live decades of years), he has terrible stats. Can't even do more damage against the genetic soldier too.
Best: Seth - I'm going to agree with Manic on the Best. Friggin' awesome.
Worst: Zealot - Yuno's husband, I think, deserves the spotlight here. He's more prominent in the game has to be in at least two maps if you're going to Ilia route - his recruitment map and Yuno's map. With Yuno, you don't need to even use her past her recruitment map...they both still suck, though.
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:16 pm
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First off: by Athos, does this apply to ALL the Gato archetypes?
Yeah.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:20 pm
Best: Seth of FE 8, with honorable mentions to FE 7's Pent, Harken, Karel, Geitz and Hawkeye. As amazingly useful as all of the FE 7 units are, they don't come in until later, halfway through the game or more. Seth is there from the get-go and doesn't completely suck; pretty much what FD said.
Worst: Karla of FE 7, with honorable mentions to Marcus and Renault of FE 7, and Jeigan/Jagen of FE 11, among others. I would have chosen Renault were it not for the fact that getting Karla is a pain, especially for someone who hates using ax-wielding units and does not want to be forced into playing Hector's story simply to get her for all of three chapters. Karla's pretty much just there for supports, and because she comes in so late and is weaker than Guy or Karel at that point. Karla is only available in Hector's story, assuming you used Bartre. Have your little chit-chats and get out of the way of the powerhouses, please and thank you.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:13 am
Best: Titania of FE9. Honorable mention to Pent of FE7 and Seth of FE8. She comes at the very beginning of the game and is even useful then - take her weapons off and use her as a meatshield. She'll barely take any damage and take considerable heat off of your other, more fragile units. She's got good enough growths to keep up with the best of them later in the game, and overall is an extremely solid unit with one use or another at any point in the game. Approve.
Worst: Probably Renault. I know I haven't played the games before FE6 (which I haven't completed, so I try not to be too judgmental in that regard until I've finished), but Renault, if you're going to come so late, at least have the decency to have better stats! =_= Saving grace comes from the items you can pluck off of him after recruitment and that he does at least fill in some characters' personal backstory gaps. But in battle, ooooy. Anyone else.
Best: Pent! He has a nice tome and staff, awesome base stats, and is my favorite element of magic to use (anima) because it's so cheap and you get a free thunder tome at the beginning you can use if you never touched Erk or Nino. Also, he has auto-A support with Louise, and a wide variety of B support options that are good.
Worst: Ohgod, this is tough. I have to say Dozla of FE 8. He's a berzerker that hardly, HARDLY crits for me, has terrible speed 9 times out of 10, and doesn't even compare to 'zerker Ross.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:35 pm
Best: Pent. He's a great sage, and an amazing asset to my team
Worst: Karla. As much as I like sword units, she comes too late for me. Besides, I already end up with a Karel that I am using instead of her
