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^ Will accidentally dye her hair a neon color in the near future.

< Liked Watchmen too, but they weren't very "super," and that was kind of the whole premises. Loves Rorschach, poor Rorschach.

< Definitely more likely to prod sheep. Cattle can be kinda mean.

v Can taste ground turkey meat every time they belch.

^ Will soon discover that there are more things that can dye your hair than hair dye, especially within the realm of "accident" ^_~.

< Finished unpacking today - from a trip she got home from about a week ago.

v Likes creamed corn.


((Oh, well I was referring to the comic, but yea, the movie was ok. And I only saw the movie after reading the comic, but I definitely agree. I don't think I would have really understood any of that had I seen the movie first. But still, not superheroes. Manhattan was "super," but he was no hero. The rest were heroes to an extent, but none were super. There was absolutely no superhero in the entire series, and I liked that. The entire thing was just about humanity - which is kind of why I liked Dark Knight. It was also more a question on humanity than anything else. Cheesy at bits, but overall I liked it much more than I usually like any other parts of mainstream superhero franchises.

I went on vacation in the middle of reading it, it sucked, haha, I wanted it the whole time. However it wasn't mine, and I don't like packing up other people's belongings and moving them around, in case they get messed up. Since I'm always a**l about my own stuff when I lend it out, I try to take unimaginably good care of the possessions of others.))

^ Won the "took the longest to unpack" contest.

< Is very very sore from an epically intense twister match last night.

v is obsessed with corn!

((Yes, I did, because it was lent to me and I was told to - probably never would have even seen the movie otherwise.

On Manhattan: 1. Vietnam is previous to the focus of the novel, so the aspects in which he'd be "super" weren't relevant to the main focus of the plot. Just relevant to a set up on Manhattan - had the story been a focus on Manhattan defending the city using his superpowers I probably WOULD have been less interested. 2. I do not think he is at all a hero, or helpful to America, for halting the ruining of Veidt's plan. Veidt's plan is going to collapse eventually, the parallels drawn in the story make it evident why. He didn't create a common enemy, he created a belief in one; and eventually without substance, that belief will decay. He created a temporary fix at the expense of innocent lives - he'd have to keep replicating this, taking it even farther, people have to have the concrete to work with. Which will mean more death, more genocide - in essence, to prevent death and genocide. He's treating Leprosy with Cancer.

Furthermore, things will probably be worse when people see no foundation, and the longer people cave into the misrepresentation, the worse the reaction will be when realization sets in. We live in a world of causality. Veidt's "grand plan" WILL be destructive, the consequences will be dire - because every representation of humanity through the entire comic are highlights of how the "smartest" man does not understand "man" at all. I mean it's frustrating, but of course brilliant.

On Rorschach: I don't think he should have kept quiet, so obviously I can't be mad at his refusal, it's exactly what he should have done. Shame on Manhattan - the only one WITH the power to do anything, for choosing to do nothing. More incentive against his possible portrayal as a hero. However with Rorschach, it would be more helpful had he been able to pretend he could stay out of it, so that he could have done something later. However THAT is not to his character. This is why I love the end though, it's not explicate which is great, but it gives hope to the idea that the hypocrisy might be uncovered. That the conspiracy will not go buried. He was the only thing close to what most superheroes stand for (without being super, which makes him appealing, that he is human and ordinary - though probably needs to shower ^_~) - the defense of what is right. Manhattan choose to go with what is easy, what is convenient, and that is NOT what superheroes ever do. So yea, as far as I'm concerned, Manhattan fails in all regards as a hero, super or otherwise.

I only saw DK once, in theaters...and yea I didn't care for ANY of the actual batman line, but I ignored all that. The Joker and Harvey Dent are what made the movie interesting to me. Though HD had his fails as well. Well, Two Face did.

Yea, his copy was really nice and new.))

((Ugh, I hate when that happens. And I wouldn't expect anything more than watered down, I too feel completely exhausted when I have to conjure something up anew.))

^ Will attempt to cream candy corn in the near future.

< Hmm...sinister? Perhaps. Correlated with Twister? Unsure. Forgot I'd mentioned Twister on this thread yesterday, and therefore mentioned it elsewhere today? Definitely!

v Wishes that they were an Oscar Meyer wiener.

((I just feel for Manhattan it was a job and a compulsion, not a dedication. I think dedication requires a level of emotion and/or personal investment. Neither of which he'd have. I wouldn't consider technology - with so many controversial and adverse effects - an act of heroism.

I also don't really feel he even felt it was beneficial to the world in the end. I think the whole final scene with him and Veidt in the end (which is my friend's absolute favorite part, and he was very mad they removed it from the film) is evident of that. The comic leaves the answer open via admission, however it effectively builds a heavy amount of doubt and tension. Manhattan, pure logic in essence, wouldn't have left doubt if it were not in fact correct to feel so. I don't think Manhattan felt he was going with the route that led to fewer casualties. Merely that this is humanity, he realizes that now. He acknowledges that it is not his place to get involved, as he is neither a part of humankind anymore, nor is he their savior. His leaving, leaving things as they are, leaving things to get worse - either as a repercussive response to what just happened, or merely the natural causality of when life inevitably returns to normal - is his statement that he is not our hero.

As for Veidt, just listen to him. He talks about how an empire that lasted for decades was ineffective in that it was not eternal. His plan is not 50 years, his plan was solution, he thought he created solution. He justified this on the basis that it was solution. And it is not, it cannot be. Because he cannot keep them banned eternally. He didn't create an eternal connection, he created a temporal one. As for what if it happens to work out anyhow? What if a people now joined together under the fear that they are under attack, joined together by blood and hatred and death, decide that peace is the answer? Did the USA decide after Pearl Harbor was bombed that peaceable solutions were necessary? That compromise and tolerance must be reached, through humane methods? Heck no, we went to war and we blew people to kingdom come! Violence only begets more violence. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind - and yet for each eye we seek another. Veidt's violence will encourage more violence, violence we will eventually turn on each other when we find that no one else has arrived for us to turn it on. And indeed, we will all be blinded, left impotent by our misguided fury.

The only way to create a world of peace, would require a plan that is the epitome of sound logical reasoning, and itself peaceful in nature. It was that dark message of Watchmen I loved most. The smartest man in the world couldn't even achieve this (assuming that he IS in fact the smartest man - which I of course highly doubt), what hope is their for the rest of us?

Two Face doesn't believe in human eye moisture!!! Haha, j/k j/k. And my friends showed me that video on his Iphone on our way up to Tahoe, love it! It's awesome and hilarious. You know if Batman had really done that, The Joker might have inadvertently answered things out of surprise of finally understanding something. Hehehe... razz ))

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((@Kits - I would have just double posted but that would have made me a wiener, hahahaha... razz

Anyhow my friend has linked this to his FB status under the tag, worst superhero movie ever:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2010-01-11-spiderman-4_N.htm?csp=34

Figured you might find that interesting, had you not heard of that particular travesty yet.))

^ Is already looking forwards to spring break

< Definitely should free the kangaroos. Right before I free the tigers. They'll need the head start... razz

< Missing the reference completely, the closest thing I can come up with is Dumb and Dumberer...with that extra er thing in the title. But that's about it, and I've never even seen that movie.

v Will one day sketch a poodle, who, having been offended that he wasn't consulted, proceed to chase her for four miles.

((Right? Haha

Ok, maybe. hahahaha. However he's no Superman/Batman/Spiderman - and not because he fails to adequately represent the genre of the masked vigilante. Because he doesn't have man at the end of his name razz (I almost said in his name but didn't want to leave room for it to be pointed out that it indeed is at the beginning ~_~...of course now I'm sitting here wondering if there is a relevance to that. Damn it!)

I think Manhattan killed Rorschach because there would be consequences to Rorschach revealing the plan to the public - which is true, there would have been dire consequences, and it wouldn't have changed what happened. However that doesn't mean he thinks it would work, he just realized nothing would come from stringing out Veidt. At least when it falls apart, without anyone ever realizing what caused it, directionless ire won't be as vengeful as focused wrath. So he could easily think the plan wouldn't save lives, but still recognize that ruining it wouldn't bring any lost lives back.

I do think he did one last thing to help humanity, but it wasn't allowing Veidt's plan, which was mostly ridiculous. It was in removing himself. The world had stagnated, unable to progress properly because of a fear of an ultimate - himself. Removing himself would level the playing field, and allow things to progress more evenly, naturally. Allow humanity to be itself. Which would yes, "allow life to return to normal."

I think Veidt's plan was still too extreme and too weak, IF annihilation was imminent in the moment, then perhaps. But it still would have to go further to actually be a viable plan. It's a stage 1, and Veidt never recognizes that. I mean honestly, if that is all he ever does, his plan is only going to hold years - at most. Because it only touched part of the world. The rest of the world will yell hoax, when nothing goes to prove the plan further even those in the area will give leeway to the idea of hoax. I mean there is the maybe he bought temporary peace, for a few decades. However, I think there is minimal chance that it will go on that long.

I of course like to think the journal is made public knowledge (again, still love that it's not said one way or the other though). Yes it will cause anger, a riot...Veidt will so get lynched. However it's the only thing that even has the smallest spark of a chance of creating change, because it not only will give facts but a psychology. People will know what happened, true, and will be angry, but in the end they will think about WHY it happened. Like the Holocaust, seemingly hateful mass genocide. However after, the concern became how did we as a whole allow this to happen, why were there circumstances to allow this in the first place, and how can tragedy be prevented in the future. It's a long process, with many steps. But in the end, it's thoughts and not blunt action that will invoke the motivation to change.

I don't know Spiderman very well...but it seems like the whole thing is a prequel to a story that wasn't interesting until later. I mean Smallville is a prequel to the Superman saga which was interesting - but it was interesting in that it changes EVERYTHING. Almost nothing is true to fact. Because Clark Kent the high schooler wouldn't have been entertaining. So I guess I get the feeling that if the movie is good it will be "wrong." And if it's not wrong it'll be pathetic. However, I'm not an avid fan or anything, so I'm not as personally invested as my die hard comic friends are. Guess it'll at least be fuel for topic next time they go to Comic Con though right? razz ))

^ Will adopt the superhero name The Flying Noodle

< Has of course seen Good Burger...will plead that it doesn't have the same effect in print that it does aloud.

v Will discover their super sidekick in the lumber section of the local hardware store.

((Amusing indeed.

Wouldn't it just? But then I'd be like, aww, poor Rorschach for nothing! Although really, this world was just too cruel for him, perhaps it's best.

See but I think it would do the opposite, because if they were afraid of aliens - unintelligent or otherwise - our natural response is to amass weaponry. I mean take the whole war on terror thing. Our government has been spending billions on building up the military. Because we are afraid of being attacked, and the only way to defend ourselves is to have bigger better weapons. Also, if there are dumb aliens that are somehow able to transport themselves here, there are probably intelligent aliens. In fact maybe the intelligent aliens are behind the whole thing. Just in case, we need to develop a s**t load of nuclear weapons. Then when aliens never show up, we have a s**t load of nuclear weapons...just waiting to be used.

Also there is really no reason for them to think in this case. I mean if they are buying the hoax, they aren't going to wonder, why were we fighting? They'll just be thinking about fighting the hoax...which means they'll be thinking about fighting, violence. Back to violence begets more violence. That was another fault to Veidt's plan, the attack is random, it's a distraction from the cold war, but it doesn't point out a correlation that would help people to wonder about that war and it's effects in the first place. More of the irony, the smartest man in the world can't get people to think?

But yea, I mean that is what I like about it, you just don't know. I mean I guess for me Watchmen paints such a negative image of humanity - which really correlates to how I see reality in general (I have to admit that I'm so a glass half empty type...heck, I'm a "the glass isn't even there" type: the optimist proclaims we live in the best of all possible worlds, and the pessimist fears that this is true) - that it just can't seem plausible for a positive direction to occur. Because people are inherently awful in a large sense (and inherently amazing in an obscure sense that we often blur). Regardless though, even if it is awful, you can't even predict the awful. It's all a mystery. We may be cruel and violent and everything Rorschach claimed (so why did he even try? - like I said, he wasn't for this world), and still an enigma.))

^ ((Hahaha...ahh...OMG, I love it!!!)) Has thought up a genius crime-fighting force.

< Will make plans to start haunting lumber sections of AZ hardware stores in the near future.

v Probably won't recognize the quote: I will simply deny you the crown and...live forever! but it's awesome so it must be quoted!

((Nice!

Actually I'm totally afraid of nuclear war right now, I'm hoping and praying everyday that people never forget the dire and devastating effects - not just to us as people, but to our planet, to our humanity. Yet I still fear that the threat is very prevalent, the people are angry and hateful and this might cloud their judgment. Which is probably why I read Watchmen the way I do.

Predict a fictional universe? Heck, we can't even predict our own! So yup, I know, I just don't trust people - in the words of Red Foreman - to not be dumbasses! hahahaha

I do love that little stuff too, I try to retain the small bits of hope in that, and try to trust - even if only for a moment - that more of that will bleed into society at large one day. I think the movie really loses a lot in not recognizing the importance of keeping those little moments. It's what the story is all about. It just seems that people don't seem to accept each other until the bomb is RIGHT over THEIR head, and then it's too late. But MAYBE, people can learn what the comic book kid and the newspaper stand guy did - without having being blown to bits themselves... xp

I realize, that EVERY character I like in that series dies. How lame. ^_^

Watchmen + Egyptian reference:

http://roflrazzi.com/upcoming/?pid=10181

Seemed practically related...yay failblog... razz ))

^Has missed that the quote is from Ever After...to which Prince Henry responds "Good, I don't want it" and the king then turns to the queen and tells her that he's HER son...mmm, I LOVE that move ^_^.

< mmm...bacon...I don't actually like fried rice though, so yea that is mega eww. However I can foresee a roll including bacon that I might like. I'll call it a McRoll ^_~.

< Loves homosexual child molesters attempting to destroy the sanctity of marriage!!! Will help them in this marriage destroying plight, while selecting some teak for lawn furniture, and awaiting The Flying Noodle to come recruit me ^_~.

v

((Well duh, I mean come on, since when is your desk going to protect you from bombs?! I always find that the FUNNIEST part of any TV show making cold war references. Although even when I was in middle school, bomb threat drills meant locking us into the classroom. How does being locked in a confined space protect you from exploding?!? We also did that for intruder alerts, where you rounded up everyone outside your door and hauled them inside. So what if you rounded up the intruder?!? Then I'm forcibly locked inside with a psychopath with a gun...or a bomb!! Stupid, stupid drills!! ~_~ Make for good comedy sketches though ^_~.

I liked the comic book kid and the newspaper guy, Rorschach and The Comedian (he was an a**, but there was just something I really liked in him as a character - also in the movie he was played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan who yea I'll admit it, he's a rather attractive middle aged man, mmm *drools*...hehe.). I also kind of liked Hollis, another casualty of the series. Kind of fond Moloch, he was entertaining in a weird way. Didn't get enough on him to really love him, but there was something about him I liked.

I really hated Daniel and Silk Spectre II (wasn't all that fond of I either). I was indifferent to Manhattan. I had liked Ozymandias - but by the end of the series realized he was not only a failure, but too blind and arrogant to realize that he was not God and was playing with fire. So yup he is completely removed from the like list. Indifferent to Hooded Justice, the Silhouette was alright. I can't remember how I felt about Captain Metropolis, I'll have to reread it sometime and think on that.

Hahaha...glad you liked it, I actually only edited that post a few hours ago and added the pic, I saw it and was like, this seems related, must share! I was going to double post but then figured, nah, you probably haven't even glanced at this yet I can just edit...^_^))