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 Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:22 pm
Sounds like someone needs to look up the basic definition of CHOICE. rolleyes Not to mention... someone needs to use her analytical skills/reasoning/logic. Srsly.
3) And about "Sarah"--she was a hispanic girl ("Sarah" is such a good, wholesome, white girl name! Hence taking away her three Spanish names and pinning her with "Sarah") who was MARRIED. Since she was married, her parents would have had no say anyway.
6) I wonder how they would feel if the woman at risk already had children she needed to care for. Would they be okay with her not choosing suicide?
8) The father may have a say (if it was a consensual, caring relationship), but he doesn't get to decide.
10) When did sex for pleasure and/or strengthening relationships become a crime?
11) More like "Don't impose your religious beliefs on ANYONE!" Freedom of Religion. Duh. Our stand-point allows people to use their religion (or lack thereof) to make a decision, allows Freedom of Religion, a RIGHT to all American people.
12) Well, when those pictures are facetious... it only makes sense to take your tainted propaganda out of the situation.
13) Millions? Sorry... I call fake. Not to mention, there's no such thing as post-abortion syndrome. The depression all comes from "pro-life" SHAMING of these women, calling them horrible, selfish sluts. If someone called you that every day of your life, wouldn't you get depressed??
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:47 pm
WARNING: Naming Names.
Things posted on the forums are open game, but things posted in private guilds may be off-limits. Or, at least, naming the person who said it. While I don't think it could get anyone in trouble, you might want to consider editing out the name. Found this on (the new and improved) FSTDT today: Quote: [On Sarah Palin Explains Why Women Should Be Forced To Bear Their Rapists' Babies] Actually no you don't because the rapist gets at least 20 years in prison. You get nine months of a natural process that you can endure. He doesn't have to live with a forced birth, but he does have to live with forced a**l rape in prison. See, all you can think about is yourself. You are selfish to think of only your wants, and you're evil to disregard an innocent child's needs AND rights. Talk amongst yourselves. Or, you know, rage.
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:45 pm
There are no words...
How is it NOT evil to wish a**l rape on someone??
Wow, how warped can you get?
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:37 pm
Because everyone can endure pregnancy financially, emotionally, and physically, right guys? Or, ya know, since every single rapist ever is put in prison in due time for such a time, and every rape victim comes forward immediately. And every single rapist is raped in prison. Yup, every single one. And there's no way that he could consent to a**l sex. Homosexuals don't exist!
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:44 am
Ageiss I've come across so many pro-lifers trying to compare abortion to allowing rape, murder, or the Holocaust that it makes me sick. All of them seem to miss the point that rape, murder, and the Holocaust involved thinking, feeling, acting, BORN persons, not underdeveloped potential persons. That'd be like trying to compare how eating cake batter can give you salmonella to eating an actual baked cake. It just does not equate. THAT'S SCIENCE. Agreed. Honestly, my CAT is more sentient than a human fetus. A fetus cannot feel pain until about 6 months or so when the nervous system is developed. My cat can feel pain. My cat is aware of her surroundings. A fetus is not aware of it's own existence. Cats may not have as much reasoning as humans, but my cat has more reasoning than a human fetus. My cat always begs to drink from the sink. After watching us turn on the sink several times, she figured out how to do it herself (she can use her paw or her head). No matter how many times a fetus sees you turn on the sink, it's not going to be able to figure out how to do it himself.
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:56 pm
marshmallowcreampie No matter how many times a fetus sees you turn on the sink, it's not going to be able to figure out how to do it himself. F etuses can see? eek
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:16 pm
Nayva marshmallowcreampie No matter how many times a fetus sees you turn on the sink, it's not going to be able to figure out how to do it himself. F etuses can see? eek Just another point to tack onto the list..xD
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:07 pm
20 Shades of Crazy Because everyone can endure pregnancy financially, emotionally, and physically, right guys? Or, ya know, since every single rapist ever is put in prison in due time for such a time, and every rape victim comes forward immediately. And every single rapist is raped in prison. Yup, every single one. And there's no way that he could consent to a**l sex. Homosexuals don't exist! Considering she can pay for the rape kit herself like dear sarah palin suggested before
rolleyes
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:41 pm
Another from FSTDT: Quote: I'll see your late term abortions and raise you the killing of abortion survivers and the disabled. I wonder how the brave new world crowd will determine who's disabled enough to no longer be considered worthy of existance? This stem cell research is a multi billion dollar industry in the private sector to begin with. This is totally unnecessary and it will be another drain on the federal treasury for years to come and it will produce absolutly nothing positive but will only be more experimentation by the Frankenstein crowd. The abortion crowd cheers their approval today as this is hardly a surprise as Obama pays back the abortion gangsters who donated to his campaign. Almost has to be fake, but it's from the forum Free Conservatives (oxymoron alert!) so... yeah, people there really are that batshit.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:02 am
PhaedraMcSpiffy Another from FSTDT: Quote: I'll see your late term abortions and raise you the killing of abortion survivers and the disabled. I wonder how the brave new world crowd will determine who's disabled enough to no longer be considered worthy of existance? This stem cell research is a multi billion dollar industry in the private sector to begin with. This is totally unnecessary and it will be another drain on the federal treasury for years to come and it will produce absolutly nothing positive but will only be more experimentation by the Frankenstein crowd. The abortion crowd cheers their approval today as this is hardly a surprise as Obama pays back the abortion gangsters who donated to his campaign. Almost has to be fake, but it's from the forum Free Conservatives (oxymoron alert!) so... yeah, people there really are that batshit. ..Faith..In Humanity..Points...plummeting into...negative numbers...*headdesk*
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:18 pm
Found here: Pharyngula | Gingi is angry.NOTE: "Jim Tanger" in the comments is a poe. Though with the crap we've seen in this thread, he's not far off. Ignore him. Some of the other comments and PZ's post will restore your faith in sanity, though. Quote: [...] One thing that even the most seasoned pro-life activists never tire of marveling at is the total hypocrisy of those that stand for 'choice'. Pro-choicers claim to care for young girls – all while advocating protecting the men who rape and molest them. Pro-choicers parade around shrieking about 'health – all while censoring pertinent medical information regarding abortion (increased risk of breast cancer, psychological trauma, inability to conceive, etc.) Really, the list goes on and on. Any virtuous thing that a pro-abort stands for is almost guaranteed to have a deep, ugly hypocrisy attached. At this moment I'd have to say my favorite is the hypocrisy of pro-aborts running around physically and verbally assaulting pro-lifers, all the while pretending to live in perpetual terror of 'anti-choice violence'. Despite the fact that we pro-lifers are continuously battling abuse from those who advocate stabbing kids in the back of the neck and sucking their brains out, the pro-life movement is unquestionably the most peaceful social movement of all time.[ [...] In the entire history of the struggle over abortion, only 7 pro-abortion activists (including three abortionists) have been murdered. Compare that to the 520 murders by pro-aborts and the 360 fatal botched abortions by abortionists including: 145 pregnant women, 360 abortion clients, 71 other women, 110 born children, 164 wanted preborn children and 30 men. These are numbers that America remains blissfully unaware of. Paranoid abortionists and clinic staff like to pretend that they have to wear a bullet proof vests whenever they go out to dinner with the family, when the ones in danger are not the abortionists up to their elbows in baby puree inside the clinics, but the activists outside on the sidewalks pleading with women to choose life. [...] When you check pro-choice fantasies to the real world, the numbers just don't line up. For instance, the National Church Arson Task Force and the FBI have documented 827 actual and attempted arsons and bombings of churches and synagogues during the period of January 1, 1995 to October 5, 1999. Compare this to the NAF's number of 61 actual and attempted arsons and bombings at abortion mills during the same period. In other words, for every empty abortion mill that is torched, fourteen churches and synagogues burn (often during hours when people are attending services). To really understand the innate hypocrisy of pro-aborts, you need to realize that while they are screaming indignantly over imagined slights and the acts of the occasional overzealous pro-lifer, the average pro-choicer often supports groups that boldly brag about acts of violence that equal or exceed those that they work themselves up over in the abortion realm.[...] It's astounding that the open-minded abortion-loving crew can't seem to wrap their heads around the concept of hostility towards buildings that house infanticide and mass assembly-line slaughter, all while they support and applaud the regular targeting of churches, synagogues, forestry companies, corporate and university-based medical research laboratories, medical-supply firms, fur farms and other industrial buildings.[...] Pro-choice precepts often rest upon lies, fabrications, medical inanities and comical hypocrisies. The 'violent pro-lifer' mythology is a perfect example of this. History shows that the pro-life movement is by far the most peaceful social movement in the history of the world. Every other social movement is guilty of far greater death and destruction, including the civil rights movement, the unionization movement, the anti-apartheid movement, the gay rights movement, and - of course - the pro-abortion movement.I'm currently looking over my pile of 'angry e-mails' and I can't help but chuckle. Anger, aggression and violence... should we expect anything different from those who support mass child murder? EDIT: Another one Found here: Gaia | Abortion: This site completely changed my mind Quote: The truth is the bulk of abortions are done by women in the age group that are under the impression that nine months is a long time. ( Younger women...who are stupid enough to get pregnant in the first place. The bulk of young people don't have enough experience in life to decide how long six to nine months is in reality.) In the U.S there are dozens of programs set up for caring for an infant after birth (or in the third trimester) but the bulk of women getting the abortions think six months is too long even though they're the one dicking around in the first place. If you can afford multiple or even one abortion you should be buying birth control instead. If you get pregnant, it's your own damn fault and take it to the third trimester before allowing people to take the kid away to where there are homes that want it. (In other words the excuse that you can't afford the kid or you don't want them around because they're a reminder is a load of crap. There are plenty of places that'll take the kid. You know...drop the child off at the hospital, they spend all that money on commercials about 'No questions asked'...it's almost a shame for no one to use the advice. XD) To: The Goddess Sarrie about her 1st point for pro-choice. Abortion isn't the answer for population control, if we're going to go into that and if it's such a worry then laws should be instated about how many children a woman should have. Resorting to legalized murder is kind of odd especially since we're not shooting all the illegal immigrants in the country. (Can I point out that I don't have a problem with them because our economy is collapsing and if they go away...all of them...then our 'free economy' is going to bubble down the tube...if you have a problem with the illegal part, then get the U.S to give out Visa's to people working hard) For rape victims and women that would possibly die because of the birth, it should be their choice. I can understand a rape victim having an abortion, not some nineteen year old that thinks she's adult enough to have sex but doesn't think she can afford 20-30 bucks a month for birth control.As for the government paying for some people's abortions...I think the money should be rerouted to buying birth control for women who can't afford it. That stops the multiple abortion cases, since almost half of people who get an abortion has had one before. Either that or if they can't afford children, tie the tubes. Another point: Why do we all get a say in the birth of someone else just because we didn't happen to end up a red puddle on the floor? *sarcasm*--->Good job, you made it to life, now you get to make the decision to kill the kids that didn't beat you to it! I think aborting touches on a right that everyone has...trying to make it to your first ******** breath. Sure, if there's something inherently wrong with you, you'll probably die before you make it there, but at least we should all have the chance to make it to that point. Since everyone reading this did make it to that point I hardly think we can decide to take something away from hundreds of thousands of people when we're immune to that sort of injustice. Anyway, I'm glad the bulk of you people can't vote. The largest amount of people in this thread aren't old enough to and that's a pleasant thought because almost all of you are selfish to the point of horror beyond what any Stephen King would write. You claim that abortion is just a right to protect your body and your mental and physical health, but you're all aiming for the wrong prevention . Prevent the pregnancy, not the birth. Ambulance vs. Fence Poem I'm not saying all abortion should be illegal, I just think we're killing hundreds of thousands too freely. They may not be 'people' yet to some of you yet but that doesn't mean it doesn't count as killing them. Since a baby's heartbeat starts around 22 days after conception I'd settle for that being the line. (Despite the fact you can't 'hear' the heart beat until 5 weeks it's still there) So if you're lazy about birth control get a morning after pill for whenever you have sex, I know it's just another version of birth control but it's impossible to get everyone to agree that something is alive without a heartbeat. Stopping (by abortion) the heartbeat of a zygote or fetus counts as killing just as stepping on a bug counts as killing a bug. It's just a bug to some people but without the bugs where are hte birds and bats at? XD ...Anyway I'm not really feeling any pent up anger about this. I just feel a little at a loss when I see this much hate directed at people that can't even defend themselves. Especially when it's only over a few paltry months. If your self importance is so great that you have to kill an unborn human to keep your life from being held back at all for a few months...then I have nothing more to say to you. I'm not going to change your mind if you've already set your mind to abort if you feel the passing fancy to do so. ^_^ But I do know which way I've been voting and will continue to vote. This one's got it all. Slut-slamming, pointing out obvious solutions that the pro-choice side already agrees with, talking down to women and trivilizing their feelings, name-calling... to top it all off, she gleefully tells us all about how she votes to take away our rights!
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:19 am
this just in, setar is a PRO-LIFER PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE
i almost fell out of my chair
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:26 am
Phaedra you find the craziest s**t. I'm so glad you wade through the bullshit to bring us these amusing and aggrevating tidbits. Thank you.
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:58 pm
You're welcome. I wanted to make something like Fundies Say The Darndest Things or Media Matters or Right Wing Watch because this s**t is just too crazy to ignore. Lots of pro-life people say cruel, ridiculous things and go unchallenged and unquestioned. I think it should be pointed out.
Oh, and it's a damned shame Setar's not one of us. He's been contributing to this guild and debates on the ED for years! rofl He probably does more to help us out than some of our more dedicated guild members! Shocking.
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:14 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy EDIT: Another one Found here: Gaia | Abortion: This site completely changed my mind Quote: Some ignorant post from a pro-lifer who obviously has absolutely no idea what she's talking about ...cut it out to avoid a massive quote. This one's got it all. Slut-slamming, pointing out obvious solutions that the pro-choice side already agrees with, talking down to women and trivilizing their feelings, name-calling... to top it all off, she gleefully tells us all about how she votes to take away our rights! I love how she adds the cute little emoticons toward the end of her post. I'll make sure to keep that in mind the next time I bash a group of people for daring to control their own lives/bodies. ^___________^
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