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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:43 pm
Well, I think we ALL know who will be winning best. I'll vote later after giving some thought upon who I'd consider worst.
But here's something interesting I've noticed lately that continues to be proven true: Tiki+Rhys+FD=status quo. Look over the past several weeks. The three of us, when we join forces, determine a lot of victors/losers.
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:00 pm
I've got it!
Best: Seth, obviously.
Worst: Hannibal.
Think about it. Which is worse, a low-growths prepromote that can help out early game with mount-movement, or a low-movement General that comes really late in a game where you need to get to the action to get any that is ALSO obnoxious to recruit?
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:23 pm
Best: Seth. No explanation necessary. The other oifey archetypes like Titania, and Oifey himself(Hence where the name came from) are also pretty good but nowhere as great in comparison. FD made a huge post on him long long ago so all the reasons are noted there. Though, I want to give Echidna an honorable mention because she's one of the exclusive female heroes in FE6. I mean, FE5 had a female hero but she was a myrmidon so maybe she's not exactly the first hero in the series. But I still think she is pretty important. And she's actually pretty dang awesome for what she does. Axes tend suck in FE6 but she's not too bad with them, but she's even better with swords. But the fact that she can use both Axes and swords that well for what time you get her is pretty amazing. Pent is another special honorable mention since he has both A ranks in tomes and staves. And even comes with a spare Physic staff right off the bat once he joins you. It's very useful indeed. There's too many prepromotes I like so I'd stop right there.
I'll need some time to think for the worst spot... sweatdrop
EDIT:
Worst: I may be the only one here but I don't think FE3 Arran is necessarily that bad. He does help out fairly well in the beginning parts of the maps. Even his FE11/12 counterparts actually have some fine points about them.
So yeah besides that, I finally gave it some thought and I think Hannibal is considered the worst pre-promote. It's actually quite a shame because I actually kind of like him as a unit.(Even if his recruitment is a bit of a pain to pull off) If he was in any other FE game he'd probably much more useful in my opinion. I was also thinking of how annoying and cryptic Xavier's recruitment was in FE5 but at least he does have some good points about him as a unit. Some good growths and some pretty useful skills on him. If one does manage to endure the frustrating pain in trying to recruit the man.
But here's the thing about FE4.. The maps are seriously extremely vast and long, so it's very hard on Hannibal to get any battles much because you know mounts are way superior in that game. While FE5 on the other hand, is more about getting any unit that you can possibly get with you. Cause really any unit in that game does have a benefit or contribution to the game.(Because like the fatigue factor?) And FE5 has a variety of objectives, not just capturing castles in different positions of the map like in FE4. But of course there's a really good reason for FE4 to do that and it does work very well. It just doesn't work so well in Hannibal's case.
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:57 pm
Best/Worst Canon Pairing (They must be lovers in the game already or will be lovers no matter what the played does to be considered to be canon, with the exception of killing a person off to prevent the pairing.)
I'm putting up some warnings here. If you pairings are not in the definition of canon, I will tell you so and ask you to change your picks. Also: THERE WILL BE NO INSULTING OF CHOICE OF PAIRINGS FOR BEST/WORST! If I see any of that or I get mutiple reports of that, I will warn you to back off. If you ignore my warnings you will blacklisted and be not allowed to participate in any future topic discussions.
Now enjoy the topic.
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:20 pm
Just going to make it short since I have a slight headache.
Best: Eliwood/Ninian. I find this pairing adorable. This pairing have meet each other during the Lyn's chapter and reunited again in either Eliwood and Hector's chapter. In fact, they also have some screen time together (aka: On the boat, when Ninian killed by Eliwood, special support after A support, and after defeating FD.) Even though Eliwood has two female who he can married, Ninian has the most, letting Intelligent System hinting us that they are the canon pairing. And let's not forget that there is even a graphic novel that stated that Ninian and Eliwood are canon pairing. Greil/Elena. You can tell how much they support and sacrifice to save each other in FE10. I STILL think Eliwood/Ninian should count despite how many evidence Intelligent System pour in. : ?
Worst: Ashnard/Almedha. Does this pairing count? If so, that's my worst pairing. You can see how terrible their relationship is, both before and after Soren was born. In fact, Almedha even stated that there was no love when these two meet.
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:45 pm
Jisen Meizuki Just going to make it short since I have a slight headache. Best: Eliwood/Ninian. I find this pairing adorable. This pairing have meet each other during the Lyn's chapter and reunited again in either Eliwood and Hector's chapter. In fact, they also have some screen time together (aka: On the boat, when Ninian killed by Eliwood, special support after A support, and after defeating FD.) Even though Eliwood has two female who he can married, Ninian has the most, letting Intelligent System hinting us that they are the canon pairing. And let's not forget that there is even a graphic novel that stated that Ninian and Eliwood are canon pairing. Worst: Ashnard/Almedha. Does this pairing count? If so, that's my worst pairing. You can see how terrible their relationship is, both before and after Soren was born. In fact, Almedha even stated that there was no love when these two meet. I'm sorry Isadora Eliwood/Ninian is not canon. You will have to pick another pairing.
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:05 pm
I've got a few questions about what counts as a pairing. There are some pairings, like Ashnard/Almedha, who were once lovers but aren't by the start of the games, and others, like Brendan/Sonia, in which one or both are dead by the end of the game. Do these still count?
In other words, can we vote for pairings that we know happened in the past or are over by the time the game ends?
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:37 pm
Grimalkenkid I've got a few questions about what counts as a pairing. There are some pairings, like Ashnard/Almedha, who were once lovers but aren't by the start of the games, and others, like Brendan/Sonia, in which one or both are dead by the end of the game. Do these still count? In other words, can we vote for pairings that we know happened in the past or are over by the time the game ends? Yes. It was orginally married and not lovers, but it was brought to be that it would exclude a few people. Ashnard/Almedha as far as I know were still married up till Ashnard's death.
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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:50 pm
Best/Worst Canon pairing huh. Great way to start the year! WITH FIREWORKS. ANYWAYS
Best: Does it need to be said? Eliwood/Ninian will forever remain my favorite canon pairing to date. It's sweet, it's simple, and it's fun. Not much else to be said that hasn't already been said a million times.
Worst: HOO BOY. So many possibilities, only one choice. I was tempted to say Sothe/Micaiah because uuuuuuugghhhh..but I remembered they have some sweet moments so I gave them a pass. I may have to go with Ashnard/Almedha. Psychopathic king who murdered his father, and Goldoan princess who went against her country's rules? Nooot so good to start. Also Almedha's lines in RD don't help...I believe she mentions that they weren't really happy together either. Only good thing to come of this pairing is badass little wind sage. GO SOREN!
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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:01 pm
Best: Calill/Largo because Calill bias and I really can't think of anything else to base it off of so why NOT vote with bias this week?
Worst: mmm... I'll get back to you. Bad/unhappy marriages can be well written or contribute more to a story than a flat but happy one, though, so I know it probably won't be one already mentioned so far.
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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:39 pm
This is a really hard one because I'm not entirely sure what criteria make a pairing "good" or "bad." For now, I'm just gonna go with my gut.
Best: Largo/Calill I'm still not sure if I should vote for this pairing or for Greil/Elena, because both are great pairings in which both people support the other whole-heartedly. I'm going with Largo and Calill for now, though, since we see more of how those two interact in the game. Largo and Calill keep pushing each other to be better (or it certainly seems like it), and I just don't know enough about Elena herself to vote for her and Greil. Greil/Elena gets a high honorable mention at the very least, though.
Worst: Ashnard/Almedha This relationship just seems poisonous... to both of them, although it certainly hits Almedha harder than Ashnard.
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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:04 pm
 Here we are, We Know it's Too Late. Hoping only to find some closure..! Silently waiting, Hear the calling..! Look into the wanting eyes, my Cherished! Best: Robin/Lucina Marth/Caeda.
Worst: Definitely Ashnard/Almedha... toxic, toxic, toxic. Seriously, any other option is just wrong. [And yes, I say that with full knowledge of Arvis/Deirdre. Which has a bad reputation, but isn't that bad.]
Now we are here, We know its too late! Hoping only to find some closure, Silently waiting, Hear the calling! Look into the wanting eyes, My Cherished!
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:50 pm
Best: Oh definitely Levin/Fury. I just really love this canon pairing. First off the music that plays in their conversation in chapter 4 is just... so emotional. Her older sister Mahyna falls in battle(Still a sad scene) and he's there to console her and it's just a very touching moment. It's like they were meant to be with each other, since ya know, Thracia 776, for those that have played it know about it anyways.. The conversation itself is really great and the two make a pretty nice couple. And there's some good dialogue between them here and there.(Especially Levin's recruitment for fury XD)
Actually I've changed my mind. I still do love this pairing very much, but now that I've given it some more thought. It actually does become pretty depressing and not really ending on a very happy resolution. Karin's conversation with Sety kinda explains it in chapter 4 of FE5. So It's more of tragic circumstance between the couple if anything. But that's not what we're looking for, only relationships that are canonically happy and remain that way. So instead I will go with another personal canon favorite of mine which is Marth/Sheeda. Mostly because they actually have a good relationship and they have two games to prove this. The couple is a nice one, and the ending of book 2 does give an optimistic feeling when it's finished. So that's what I like about it. I also think Pent/Louise was a good one and Callil and Largo is cool too. Those would be some of my honorable mentions.
(Still stumped with a worst. I'll need some time for this.)
Alright I've thought about it so here's what I've got:
Worst: I was originally going to vote Makalov/Astrid but oh well since it's not canon. Speaking of FE3 book 2 by the way... Yeah I'm going to have to go with the Nyna/Hardin bandwagon. The marriage is thrown out of nowhere in beginning. It's just that they're married let's continue the story. Though Hardin does say at one point in book 2, after you actually defeat him in battle that he did love Nyna. But I don't think that really helps that the relationship is really quite unhappy. I do understand the whole Camus thing but... Which does play a significant point later on. It's still not entirely explained that well and just really depressing to think about. >.>
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:57 pm
Figured out who to vote for for Worst: Nyna/Hardin.
I think a toxic or bad relationship can bring a lot to a story, and that's why I'm not voting for Ashnard/Almedha: they both KNEW they were attracted to each other for power, they both knew they weren't in love, and they both knew what they were doing. I really appreciate that. Almedha realizes she's willfully ******** up and drags her family unnecessarily through all sorts of hardships but she also knows SHE did so by choice and she suffers greatly for that. She's really wretched in numerous ways, but I have to LOVE that she makes her own bad decisions and accepts the consequences of them (without rose-colored glasses, Astrid; take note). And Ashnard being Ashnard makes Ashnard... Ashnard. Also entirely because he's doing his thing. It defines both characters well and accurately, so for that reason I think that a toxic relation like theirs is a good thing for the story. It's serving some Macbeth Realness the way they both stay true to their decisions even if they're terrible.
And then we have Nyna/Hardin. Where Nyna is pressured into marrying someone by Boah and PRETENDS to love Hardin. What the ********, gurrrl? I appreciate a lot of Nyna's story (mostly with Camus) but why the ******** does she pretend to be in love with Hardin to Hardin. As if marrying for political reasons - which is precisely what their marriage was for - is unheard of! Why couldn't she be upfront about it? And she's young; she's not going to die immediately by any means; why the rush for a marriage like this in the first place? And for Hardin to break down the way he does at the revelation that Nyna doesn't love him? How old is he? The way the story portrays him is an insult to a man of his age and stature. I love the idea of a good person being tricked or tempted into something evil, but the way they staged in has unneeded awful implications for characters that have a lot going for them otherwise. It's the story twisting things as needed in order to have a plot for FE3/12 whereas Almedha/Ashnard are being true to themselves with their unhealthy relationship.
I have a huge appreciation for the brutality of the Akaneia continent where, much like in reality, NOT everyone gets to have a happy ending and life IS very unfair, but it's certainly not without flaws, and I think there's a lot to dislike about how Nyna/Hardin was handled.
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:03 pm
Best: I'm really tempted to vote Matthew/Leila for some reason here, but their relationship is not touched upon greatly, and it's almost entirely posthumously (in Leila's case, anyway) so I'm not entirely certain there's enough material to glean from a side character's romance, but... I don't know, something always kinda struck me about the idea of two spies who are both entirely aware that their expiration dates could be at any time (and I do mean at any time) getting so entangled in each other's lives nonetheless. Seeing later what Matthew does after Leila's death, staying behind with the body to honor her with a proper burial... His actions towards Jaffar after learning he was responsible for her death... The fact that Leila was thinking of Matthew in her final moments, instead of herself...
...Yeah I like Matthew/Leila.
(In the event that such a vote is too ridiculous to be considered serious: I'll take Pent/Louise for my favorite canon relationship.)
Worst: Sothe/Micaiah.
All I really want to say in regards to this is a rough summation of the jokes I've made before:
Sothe: I'm all alone in Daien and I'm cold and hungry and young :c Micaiah: It's okay, little boy, I'll take care of you! It'll be like I'm your mother since I'm so much older than you! Sothe: Yay! c: Micaiah: *vanishes* Sothe: THE PAIN -Timeskip to after FE9- Micaiah: I'M SORRY FOR ABANDONING YOU I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HURT YOU I'LL NEVER LEAVE YOU AGAIN -Years later- Micaiah: Hey Sothe actually you're pretty hot so tell you what I wanna bang you let's get married -AND SO THEY ******** you micaiah
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