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 Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:32 pm
Hermonie Urameshi crystal_moon098 I think that "beginner" was a key word there Three months of serious study. I think I'm still a beginner. How come hardly anyone uses kana? Because most people are too lazy to deal with learning a whole new alphabet, much less two plus kanji. I know all of hiragana, but since I don't see katakana as often, I don't remember it as well. I know most of it though... razz And really really basic kanji. Anyways, most people "learn to speak " rather than "learn ", which I think is annoying. I mean, I want to learn to both speak AND write. It's useless, else. How many people at school can I speak Japanese with? Russian? There's one other Spanish student who will speak Spanish, and my roommate (a frenchie) can understand it when I speak. That's it. He can also understand some of my Russian, because we're both total n008s. Japanese? Totally out. There's a Chinese kid who knows some... enough for us to call each other idiots and wander back out of the room.
People don't realize that if you don't learn both, you're not getting anything out of it until you get to the country... and then you're still useless if you're illiterate. How many Japanese people can't read their own language? As competitive as that country must be--it's a small place, the job market's not exactly wide open--they can't afford to take on some American bum, ne?
I actually picked up "ne" from Ender's Game and dropped the h... before I started learning Japanese rolleyes I love irony.
Sorry to rant sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:57 pm
If you can't read Japanese you'll have a really hard time in Japan. I think of exactly what I was going to say, but you definately won't have a very pleasurable time if can't at least read both hiragana and katakana. At least according to Aiko san. And it's stupid to not use kana when you teach it first.
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:45 am
Kids (12 and under) cannot read kanji in Japan that is why you see small kana placed next to a kanji a lot in books (like manga).
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:47 am
Ashvemn Kids (12 and under) cannot read kanji in Japan that is why you see small kana placed next to a kanji a lot in books (like manga). I love furigana biggrin
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:06 pm
Ashvemn Kids (12 and under) cannot read kanji in Japan that is why you see small kana placed next to a kanji a lot in books (like manga). Well actually they know alot..starting in 1st grade you learn basics like numbers and thinks like moon, sun, fire, etc...So with each grade they keep learning more...But year they do put furigana in alot of books anyways i guess..not that I'm complaining makes it much easier for me to read them.. xd
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:54 pm
Normally a twelve year old would know about this many kanji:
Grade 1
一 人 八 力 十 九 二 入 七 土 女 口 大 小 下 夕 子 山 千 川 三 上 手 日 水 木 円 火 犬 王 中 文 月 五 天 六 立 田 右 正 白 石 目 玉 出 左 生 四 本 糸 竹 虫 早 気 休 耳 字 先 年 百 名 貝 花 見 車 足 赤 村 男 町 雨 金 学 空 青 林 音 草 校 森
Grade 2
刀 弓 丸 工 才 万 心 引 今 牛 止 戸 方 元 午 父 公 少 切 太 内 友 毛 分 矢 外 兄 古 広 市 冬 台 半 用 母 北 肉 羽 行 西 米 会 回 毎 光 合 自 交 考 寺 色 多 地 池 当 同 言 走 何 角 汽 近 形 作 社 図 声 体 谷 弟 里 売 麦 来 夜 門 画 岩 京 国 姉 直 知 長 東 店 歩 妹 明 食 科 海 活 計 南 後 思 室 首 秋 春 星 前 茶 昼 点 風 馬 夏 家 帰 記 原 高 紙 時 弱 書 通 黄 魚 強 教 黒 鳥 細 週 雪 船 組 野 理 雲 絵 間 場 晴 朝 答 道 買 番 園 遠 楽 新 数 電 話 歌 語 算 読 聞 鳴 線 親 頭 顔 曜
Grade 3
丁 区 化 予 反 央 主 皿 去 号 仕 由 写 申 世 他 打 代 平 皮 氷 礼 安 羊 曲 血 向 死 式 次 守 州 有 全 両 列 医 究 局 君 決 坂 身 住 助 対 豆 投 返 役 委 育 泳 岸 苦 具 幸 昔 使 始 事 実 者 取 受 所 注 定 波 板 表 服 物 放 味 命 油 和 院 屋 界 客 急 級 係 研 県 指 持 重 拾 昭 乗 神 品 相 送 待 炭 柱 追 度 発 畑 美 秒 負 面 洋 員 荷 起 宮 庫 根 酒 消 真 息 速 庭 島 配 倍 病 勉 流 旅 悪 階 球 祭 終 習 宿 商 章 深 進 族 第 帳 笛 転 都 動 部 問 陽 飲 運 温 開 寒 期 軽 湖 港 歯 集 暑 勝 植 短 着 登 湯 等 童 悲 筆 遊 葉 落 暗 意 感 漢 業 詩 想 鉄 農 福 路 駅 銀 鼻 様 緑 練 横 談 調 箱 館 橋 整 薬 題
Grade 4
士 以 欠 夫 氏 不 加 未 功 札 司 史 失 必 付 辺 包 末 民 令 衣 共 印 改 各 好 成 争 仲 兆 伝 灯 老 位 囲 完 希 求 臣 芸 告 材 児 初 束 折 低 努 兵 別 良 利 冷 労 英 果 芽 官 季 泣 協 径 固 刷 参 治 周 松 卒 底 的 典 毒 念 府 法 牧 例 胃 栄 紀 軍 型 建 昨 祝 省 信 単 浅 飛 変 便 約 勇 要 害 救 挙 訓 郡 候 航 差 殺 残 借 笑 席 倉 孫 帯 徒 特 梅 粉 脈 浴 陸 料 連 案 貨 械 健 康 菜 産 唱 清 巣 側 隊 停 堂 得 敗 票 副 望 街 覚 喜 給 極 景 結 最 散 順 焼 象 然 達 貯 博 飯 費 満 無 量 愛 塩 試 辞 照 節 戦 続 置 腸 働 管 関 旗 漁 察 種 静 説 歴 億 課 器 賞 選 熱 標 養 輪 機 積 録 観 鏡 験 類 願 議 競
Grade 5
久 比 支 仏 圧 示 永 可 刊 旧 句 犯 布 弁 因 仮 舌 件 再 在 似 団 任 防 応 快 技 均 災 志 余 序 条 状 判 易 往 価 河 居 券 限 効 妻 非 枝 舎 述 承 招 制 性 版 肥 武 逆 故 厚 査 政 祖 則 退 独 保 迷 益 恩 格 険 個 耕 財 桜 師 修 素 造 能 破 俵 務 容 留 移 液 眼 基 寄 規 許 経 現 混 採 授 術 常 情 責 接 設 断 張 貧 婦 率 略 営 過 賀 検 減 証 税 絶 測 属 貸 提 程 統 備 評 富 復 報 貿 解 幹 義 禁 群 鉱 際 罪 資 飼 準 勢 損 墓 豊 夢 預 演 慣 構 雑 酸 精 製 銭 総 像 増 態 適 銅 徳 複 綿 領 境 潔 賛 質 敵 導 編 暴 衛 確 興 築 燃 輸 講 謝 績 額 織 職 識 護
Grade 6
寸 己 干 亡 尺 仁 片 穴 冊 収 処 庁 幼 宇 至 灰 危 机 吸 后 存 宅 我 系 孝 困 私 否 批 忘 乱 卵 延 沿 拡 供 呼 刻 若 宗 垂 担 宙 忠 届 乳 拝 並 宝 枚 映 革 巻 看 皇 紅 降 砂 姿 除 城 宣 専 泉 洗 染 奏 段 派 背 肺 陛 律 骨 株 胸 座 蚕 射 従 純 将 針 値 展 党 討 納 俳 班 秘 朗 異 域 済 視 捨 推 盛 窓 探 著 頂 脳 閉 訪 密 訳 郵 欲 翌 貴 割 揮 郷 勤 筋 敬 裁 策 詞 就 衆 善 創 装 尊 痛 晩 補 棒 絹 源 署 傷 障 蒸 聖 誠 暖 賃 腹 幕 盟 裏 閣 疑 誤 穀 誌 磁 層 認 暮 模 遺 劇 権 熟 諸 蔵 誕 潮 論 激 憲 鋼 樹 縦 操 糖 厳 縮 奮 優 覧 簡 難 臨 警 臓
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:00 pm
:] I fail as a 12 year old in japan.
I'm half japanese but i really dont know s**t. Maybe 1st and 2nd grade kanji. And a bit of 3rd. And some random ones from the other levels.
It's really embarissing
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:36 pm
H a m e t s u Ashvemn Kids (12 and under) cannot read kanji in Japan that is why you see small kana placed next to a kanji a lot in books (like manga). Well actually they know alot..starting in 1st grade you learn basics like numbers and thinks like moon, sun, fire, etc...So with each grade they keep learning more...But year they do put furigana in alot of books anyways i guess..not that I'm complaining makes it much easier for me to read them.. xd Well, there are approx. 1,800 different daily use kanji, and in six grade (12 years) you are expected to know at least 1,000 of them, but to read just a newspaper - that isn't enough. @Hermonie Urameshi: You have the correct kanji, but the grades go DOWN not up. xd Grade 1 is extremely difficult, Grade 10 is basic.
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:38 pm
I got those from a native and she put them in that order. And they need the simpler kanji to learn the harder ones.
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:45 pm
Hermonie Urameshi I got those from a native and she put them in that order. And they need the simpler kanji to learn the harder ones. Oh, wait sorry! stressed You're right. Your friend posted jooyoo kanji. I was talking about kanji kentei which is more like the actual test rather a class.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:25 am
I fail first grade. I know a few... Hermonie Urameshi Normally a twelve year old would know about this many kanjiForgedawn knows this many of a 12-year-old's kanji vocab:
Grade 1
一 人 八 力 十 九 二 七 土 女 大 子 山 千 三 日 水 木 円 火 中 月 五 天 六 白 目 生 四 本 糸 字 年 名 学 林 森
Grade 2
何 間 語
Grade 3
息
Grade 4
愛 And that's it. Only know 愛 because everyone plasters it all over themselves rolleyes I don't know how to say most of them, just meaning (besides the fact that 8 is also ha, etc, ni is 2 is ni razz )... actually, I do know how to say most of them, but I don't know all the ways. Bah. Whatever. I knew more than I thought I did, adn I know some that weren't here. Like cat and mouse. and I. And since I have to go take something to my teacher, I don't have time to go get those. meahwcoia. *falls back asleep* Break's over. 'tis suck.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:15 am
I know these, and I think I'm missing some more...
一人八力十九二入七土女口大小下夕子山川三上日水木円火犬中文月五天六立田右白石目四本糸早気耳字先年名貝花見車足赤男町雨金学空林森刀心今止父少友分古母光自色走何国明食星前茶風馬家時書魚雪話語読聞皿氷血死君幸始神遊英飛象飯愛永私凸凹幽浦猫影僕
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:01 pm
http://www.msu.edu/~lakejess/kanjigame.html
I was surfing around the internet for free kanji learning games and I found this really good one where you can learn kanji and it's kana, and have different ways to learn them. Ex: Kanji -> English, Kana -> Kanji (or more advanced) Kanji -> Kana.
You can even pick grades and levels. It's really cool. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:18 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:59 pm
Forgedawn Hermonie Urameshi crystal_moon098 I think that "beginner" was a key word there Three months of serious study. I think I'm still a beginner. How come hardly anyone uses kana? Because most people are too lazy to deal with learning a whole new alphabet, much less two plus kanji. I know all of hiragana, but since I don't see katakana as often, I don't remember it as well. I know most of it though... razz And really really basic kanji. Anyways, most people "learn to speak " rather than "learn ", which I think is annoying. I mean, I want to learn to both speak AND write. It's useless, else. How many people at school can I speak Japanese with? Russian? There's one other Spanish student who will speak Spanish, and my roommate (a frenchie) can understand it when I speak. That's it. He can also understand some of my Russian, because we're both total n008s. Japanese? Totally out. There's a Chinese kid who knows some... enough for us to call each other idiots and wander back out of the room.
People don't realize that if you don't learn both, you're not getting anything out of it until you get to the country... and then you're still useless if you're illiterate. How many Japanese people can't read their own language? As competitive as that country must be--it's a small place, the job market's not exactly wide open--they can't afford to take on some American bum, ne?
I actually picked up "ne" from Ender's Game and dropped the h... before I started learning Japanese rolleyes I love irony.
Sorry to rant sweatdrop Well yes, it is pointless to not learn how to read Japanese if your studying the language. Now if just on vacation for a few days then I can understand why some just want to learn to just speak abit of Japanese but if you plan to stay in Japan for a long time then you should learn to read it as well, it will be a big help. I know hiragana and katakana (though sometimes I forget some, mainly it's the katakana that I forget at times). I know some Kanji but still have alot more to learn. I'm learning to both read and write it cause i'm planning to be a translator.
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